Hi all apologises for the DPF question, but car 2014 SKODA OCTAVIA S TDI CR (MANUAL / DIESEL) has been into SKODA and they have stated it needs a new DPF

 

Can anyone recommend somewhere in Manchester to get this checked out, the vehicle is only on 37000 miles

 

Lights on

1. DPF Light

2. Glow Plugs

3. Start/Stop doesn't work

4. Engine Management light

 

Someone tried to force regen, but system wouldn't allow it.

 

He also stated the below

 

The DPF doesn't seem to need a clean just a regen

 

He also thinks the Pressure Sensor which was only pushing out 0 m/bar and also only pushing 0.9v and he believe it needs 4.5V or the engine wont regen anyway.

 

Any help would be greatful, and especially if you can recommend a garage or someone with the proper diagnostic tools.

 

Just so I can get a second opinion as SKODA dealer wasn't very helpful and just stated new DPF

 

Thanks

Surely a 2014 car with 37,000 miles is still under manufacturers warranty?

 

If a Skoda main dealer is saying it needs a new DPF then let them fit one and charge it back to Skoda UK under warranty.

 

If you want to determine the real fault yourself then you need to scan the car with VCDS, not just a generic fault code reader.

 

Find someone close to you with VCDS here...

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/224376-vcds-owners-map/

Skoda are just telling me it isn't under Warranty as it is a wear and tear item

Unfortunately it is...DPF isn't covered under warranty.

You'd think the lovely people who sell these cars (not just Skoda) would explain the complexities of a DPF before people make the choice to buy a diesel...if only.

Have you had the car from New ?  If the car won't do a forced regen could it be a wonky sensor ?

 

 

As Silver 1011 says " It need a scan with a VCDS "

First you need to decide if

1) The DPF is actually blocked

Or

2) The sensor thinks its blocked

You need to disconnect the pipe leading from before the DPF to the pressure sensor, get a pressure gauge on it and measure the pressure at idle.

If that's around 0.6 bar or there abouts then it's blocked and probably can't be regened without the risk of melting.

Do these DPF Cleaning services work, as it is about 0.1 coming out of the pipe, so I take it is blocked from them readings

Reset the dpf load and carry out a regen, failing that carry out the dpf replacement procedure to reset the ecru and that should drop it in to regen mode.

Odis checks the sensor and reads the pressures before hand anyway. It then starts or cancels the forced regen.

Do these DPF Cleaning services work, as it is about 0.1 coming out of the pipe, so I take it is blocked from them readings

I would try it before forking out for a new dpf. I have had a lott of problems with my dpf. I had my dpf light on twice with coil light and management light, before the skoda assit guy spotted that sensor 4 was broke not allowing a regen.skoda dealer just kept doing a regen and said I must do bigger trips to keep it clean. I drive 40 miles a day in my case it was a sensor it's been ok since replaced.

Do these DPF Cleaning services work, as it is about 0.1 coming out of the pipe, so I take it is blocked from them readings

Was that measured with a separate gauge or just through diagnostics though?

If the latter it doesn't rule out a dodgy sensor which seems more common than a full DPF failure/blockage.

A separate gauge

One other option, and that's all it is an option.  You need to decide if it's right for you.

 

Get the DPF removed, gutted, replaced and then programmed out.  Better economy, slightly better performance and no more DPF problems ever.

One other option, and that's all it is an option.  You need to decide if it's right for you.

 

Get the DPF removed, gutted, replaced and then programmed out.  Better economy, slightly better performance and no more DPF problems ever.

And invalidate your insurance unless you tell them the car has been modified.

Possible MOT failure??

3 years 30k miles a dpf should not fail.

Car isnt fit for purpose, get onto Skoda customer services and log a complaint.

You want it fixed under warranty.

Consumer goods act states must be fit for purpose for 6 years.

One other option, and that's all it is an option. You need to decide if it's right for you.

Get the DPF removed, gutted, replaced and then programmed out. Better economy, slightly better performance and no more DPF problems ever.

Illegal and an MoT fail.

Idiots polluting the air we breathe with cancerous soot.

Illegal and an MoT fail.

Idiots polluting the air we breathe with cancerous soot.

 

Looks like the Russians have cottoned on to the DPF  removal

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/21/russian-carrier-plagued-by-technical-problems/

And invalidate your insurance unless you tell them the car has been modified.

Possible MOT failure??

Removing your dpf won't invalidate your insurance. In the same way that driving on bald tyres won't either.

Edited 23 October, 20169 yr by Mallettsmallett

Removing your dpf won't invalidate your insurance. In the same way that driving on bald tyres won't either.

Removing the dpf will need the ecu updating with non standard software, this is a modification and should be declared.

Bold tyres means the car isn't roadworthy and can also be used to invalidate a claim. Check your insurance, it'll mention it's your responsibility to ensure its roadworthy.

If you never have reason to claim on your insurance then neither will cause issue. However, if you did claim, then either could be used against you if noticed when the vehicle is inspected.

Removing your dpf won't invalidate your insurance. In the same way that driving on bald tyres won't either.

I had to check the date wasn't April 1st. Please don't post s#!t like this on a forum.

Bald tyres, as well as being dangerous, are an MoT failure and therefore makes your vehicle unroadworthy, which means it is not fit for the road and will invalidate your insurance, or at the very least greatly reduce your cover.

The same applies to removing the DPF;you are making a modification that renders it unable to meet the legal requirements it is certified to pass.

Due to its cost and complexity, it is well known in the motor trade and insurance industry that many people remove the DPF, it will therefore only be a matter of time before insurance investigators make checking the DPF (and some other components) is in situ as part of their investigation.

Just because they don't do it (to all cars) now, doesn't mean they are never going to do it.

Covered under warranty or not, a DPF should not fail at 2 years old and less than 40,000 miles.

 

I'm surprised at how many people roll over and accept it when a dealer says no.

 

We are talking about a £1,200 component here.

 

I am running a DPF-equipped Octavia through Skoda Finance on an 8,000 mile per year lease deal. The knowingly sold me a diesel to do tiny annual mileage in. If the DPF fails within the 2-year lease period it won't be me paying for it's replacement, whether Skoda UK claim it is under warranty or not.

 

I can't find any mention of the DPF not being covered under warranty. These are the exclusions...

 

Components subject to wear and tear are as follows:

 

> Brake linings and disc pads

> Clutch release bearings

> Clutch pressure plates and centre plates

> Tyres

> Wiper blades (wiper rubbers have no warranty owing to their conditions of use)

> Seat and backrest covers

> Floor coverings

> Spark plugs

> Batteries for key fobs and alarms

> Light bulbs

> Shock absorbers

 

Similar discussion here from 4 years ago...

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/248850-dpf-and-warranty/

Edited 23 October, 20169 yr by silver1011

Is it possible for those making stupid and obviously controversial posts to be blocked?

I had to check the date wasn't April 1st. Please don't post s#!t like this on a forum.

Bald tyres, as well as being dangerous, are an MoT failure and therefore makes your vehicle unroadworthy, which means it is not fit for the road and will invalidate your insurance, or at the very least greatly reduce your cover.

The same applies to removing the DPF;you are making a modification that renders it unable to meet the legal requirements it is certified to pass.

Due to its cost and complexity, it is well known in the motor trade and insurance industry that many people remove the DPF, it will therefore only be a matter of time before insurance investigators make checking the DPF (and some other components) is in situ as part of their investigation.

Just because they don't do it (to all cars) now, doesn't mean they are never going to do it.

I used to work in insurance.

Neither will 'invalidate' your insurance policy. Even if you had a cause to claim, your insurer would need to prove that your #insert terrible thing here# was a contributory factor to the event in question. It does NOT invalidate an insurance policy rendering it null and void. For example, if you had your car stolen, and 2 tyres were bald, this would not preclude a valid claim against the underwriters as it had no bearing on liability, therefore it would not 'invalidate' your insurance. If you had no MOT on it, neither would this unless explicitly mentioned on your policy, but then we're not talking about that. You could have 2 bald tyres and a valid MOT that would not have it's status revoked.

If the police pulled you over and gave you a ticket for 2 defective tyres (6 fpn points nowadays?)You are STILL INSURED to drive it. If you were not, the police would impound it. If you then went on to have an accident and you were at fault, and a contributing factor was the defective tyres, THEN you'd be in the poop.

Invalidating an entire policy, and being unable to claim are 2 completely different things.

Also. There's no need to be rude.

Edited 23 October, 20169 yr by Mallettsmallett

Is it possible for those making stupid and obviously controversial posts to be blocked?

You want the internet censored because you think you know different to someone? It's a difference of opinion about car insurance, not ethnic cleansing.

Edited 23 October, 20169 yr by Mallettsmallett

Also, wind your neck in. There's no need to be rude.

Edited by Mallettsmallett, Today, 21:30.

I think you'll find that is a perfect example of an oxymoron!

Also. There's no need to be rude.

A lot of that goes on here unfortunately - got to love a keyboard warrior.

Interesting though - you've taught me something at least!