EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[S00perb]

ROFL

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/05/march-brexiters-afraid-remain-peoples-will-vote

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As the tide turns in favour of remain, the claim that the people’s will is being denied requires another vote to resolve it

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remain is now five percentage points ahead among voter

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To gauge the level of change, one need only note the growing fury of the Brexiters. Jumping up and down like raging Rumpelstiltskins, they sense the argument is slipping away. The leak of the Brexit department’s assessment of a no-deal scenario was splashed across the Sunday Times – that arch-Brexit paper. The second-worst scenario – not even their worst imagining of “armageddon” – warned that the port of Dover would collapse on day one, with food, petrol and medicines running out within days.

Cue apoplectic indignation from the Daily Mail, which calls the report “project fear on speed … tendentious rubbish”. It sneers at this report as emanating from Whitehall. But always remember that it was David Davis who commissioned it from the civil servants he appointed to his department. This was not even their worst prediction for the no-deal walkout favoured by the Rees-Moggites. Indeed, the worse the picture that emerges from every industry, the Bank of England, research scientists, the NHS, security and crime agencies – everywhere that matters – the more the Rees-Moggites rage with their fingers-in-the-ears, no-deal denial. They seem to be losing it, in every sense.

 

[Ootohere]

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How many just on this forum that voted in the referendum have had pollsters asking if they would change their vote from the one they did?

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How often have you been asked by a pollster and when was the last time?

[Ryeman]

Wasn’t it not so long ago that Boris was keen for a reaffirmation vote to prove just how popular Brexit was?.

[Ryeman]

Brexit-Trump-trade and the rise of the right; an inextricable shambles  -

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/donald-trumps-trade-war-provides-cover-even-sinister-agenda-europe/

[S00perb]

Best idea wins

 

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Labour reveals scheme to maintain access to EU single market

Keir Starmer, the shadow Brexit spokesman, said: “Labour will only accept a Brexit deal that delivers the benefits of the single market and protects jobs and living standards.”

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/jun/05/labour-reveals-scheme-to-maintain-access-to-eu-single-market

 

[Ryeman]

15 minutes ago, S00perb said:

Best idea wins

 

 

......the good bits.

[Bignij]

Crikey! Labour have such a gradual shift, scheme by scheme or outcome by outcome or whatever you want to call it. They've almost done a complete U turn and no-one's called them out for it.  

Edited 6 June, 2018 by Bignij

[CWARD]

Nobody bothers to listen to what Labour says now. They change their direction with the slightest of breeze. No doubt it will change again and we all misunderstood what they had previously said. 

[cheezemonkhai]

Wow, I go away for a year and this is still going. 211 pages of it too  

[lol-lol]

7 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Wow, I go away for a year and this is still going. 211 pages of it too  

 

And we, the UK, still not have a coherent BREXIT strategy, over 700 days since the vote, less than 300 days to B-day and I have to implement the damn thing, implement what I ask ?  

 

Also my French colleagues, largest International logistics company on that side of the channel are asking the same, what is the UK practically after.  

 

Oddly the Dutch seem to preparing more than anyone else.    

 

[Bignij]

3 hours ago, CWARD said:

Nobody bothers to listen to what Labour says now. They change their direction with the slightest of breeze. No doubt it will change again and we all misunderstood what they had previously said. 

No. We’ll have understood. They will probably have mis-spoken, as per whichever politician it was when they got found out last time.

[lol-lol]

Labour are not in power, Con are.

May is pathetic at forming and implementing the Brexit. 

EU has no list patience as the thousand days is running out with chaos the only Con output so hard Brexit looking most likely!    

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Wow, I go away for a year and this is still going. 211 pages of it too  

And Her Supreme Majesty the Maybot still hasn't come up with a plan, refuses to say when the White paper will be published, has ordered her MP's to vote against ALL the Lords amendments in one sitting on the 12th of June. Davis looks more drunk every time you see him which isn't very often (and he must have been well sloshed when he thought a ten mile 'buffer zone in NI would be a good idea. Sounds more like the DMZ between North and South Vietnam!)
Fox hasn't come up with a single trade deal although that was supposed to have been 'the easiest thing ever'!
BoJo is, well, he's a fecking clown.
Business is holding back due to the uncertainty and still NOT ONE single benefit of the whole debacle.

#Peoplesvote 
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
 

[lol-lol]

14 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

And Her Supreme Majesty the Maybot still hasn't come up with a plan, refuses to say when the White paper will be published, has ordered her MP's to vote against ALL the Lords amendments in one sitting on the 12th of June. Davis looks more drunk every time you see him which isn't very often (and he must have been well sloshed when he thought a ten mile 'buffer zone in NI would be a good idea. Sounds more like the DMZ between North and South Vietnam!)
Fox hasn't come up with a single trade deal although that was supposed to have been 'the easiest thing ever'!
BoJo is, well, he's a fecking clown.
Business is holding back due to the uncertainty and still NOT ONE single benefit of the whole debacle.

#Peoplesvote 
https://www.peoples-vote.uk/
 

Business is already planing by preloading of stock before Brexit and redesigning the logistic paradigms to deal with the channel bumps that will be there in leaving the EU reckoned to be about a 6% additional cost of doing business across the straights of Dover.  

 

[@Lee]

There's a whisper that Davis may resign tomorrow..............

 

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David Davis says he is not in his job for his 'intellect'

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/david-davis-brexit-intellect-joke-negotiation-michel-barnier-eu-a8385721.html?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1528295768

 https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/06/will-david-davis-resign-tomorrow-i-would-not-bet-against-it/

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[cheezemonkhai]

Nothing’s changed then.

[lol-lol]

57 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

Nothing’s changed then.

 

The only thing that is changing, constantly, is getting closer to the day things change. PM May absolutely insists UK is leaving the EU on 29th March 19.  From that date citizens of the UK will:-

1. Starting paying more for imported goods
2. Find travelling to the EU somewhere between slightly and much more difficult, including Irish border
3. If pound is affected some exporters may have better opportunities to export
4. Those in the customs procedures industry will have much more to do,earn.
5. Lorry drivers lot more waiting around.

EU is, and has, set the rules to follow, largely.

[Bignij]

3 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Sounds more like the DMZ between North and South Vietnam!
 

Pedant alert! Pedant alert! Pedant alert!

There’s no DMZ between North and South Vietnam. In fact there’s no North and South Vietnam. It’s just Vietnam. Do you mean North and South Korea? They’ve got a nice DMZ. 

[lol-lol]

 

[Ryeman]

Just a whiff of irony - “coordinated and effective attack”

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jun/06/cambridge-analytica-destroyed-by-bitter-and-jealous-whistleblower

[lol-lol]

England is a net importer, Scotland a net Exporter. 

 

A pointer as to which regions could lose and benefit. Financial services to help out the SE of course even with some lose to European mainland.    

 

 

Edited 7 June, 2018 by lol-lol

[@Lee]

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New Daily Mail editor to be Geordie Greig

Pro-remain editor of Mail on Sunday to replace Paul Dacre at top of Brexit-supporting paper

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2018/jun/07/new-daily-mail-editor-to-be-geordie-greig

[lol-lol]

Cunning backstop plan is to beg EU for a further year transition.  Smarter than a professor of cunning from Oxford.

 

Meanwhile the EU wonders when the UK will come up with a coherent plan and stop fighting like cats in a sack?

[Ryeman]

19 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Cunning backstop plan is to beg EU for a further year transition.  Smarter than a professor of cunning from Oxford.

 

 

Great Britain “begging” the EU?. 

I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.

 

 

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

 

Great Britain “begging” the EU?. 

I thought it was supposed to be the other way around.

 

 

 

Only to deluded Brexiteers who do not realize how the EU works.  

Only 6% of EU trade is with the UK unlike the 44% of trade that the UK has with the EU.

 

EU has strong set of laws that it works to.  EU countries and centrally advising their company's to switch sourcing away from UK in case of no deal and return of border controls and tariffs.

 

Some Bexiteers are deluded that current trade imbalance in the EU's favour will bring EU to heal not realising JLR and Mini-BMW etc already moving production to European mainland.

Edited 8 June, 2018 by lol-lol