EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[@Lee]

9 hours ago, FurryFriend said:

Typical reaction... 

When you win.... You're happy. 

When you don't.... You Sulk. 

 

Just as I said..... 

I'll tell you what my furry friend. Answer me this; How will Brexit benefit me?
Go on, answer me.
If you do you'll be doing a better job than any MP I know of who's been asked the very same question by a mate of mine who stands outside Parliament whenever they're sitting.
Sometimes he makes videos for Twitter or Facebook.
Every single Remain MP he's asked that question to says the same thing. 'It won't' and every single Brexit MP he's asked starts talking waffle about control of our borders or sovereignty or such like. Thos that reply that is. Most just try to dodge the question by saying 'I've a very important meeting'.
So go on, tell me. How will Brexit benefit me?

 

Testiculi ad Brexitum.

[Ryeman]

You can certainly say that one side was fortunate enough to have a considerable number not bothered to vote because of the misleading polls.

Without a ‘turnout’ figure there can be no credible forecast.

Dumb as!

[Ootohere]

Re Charlie Elphicke MP,  maybe a Conservative but currently not a Conservative & Unionist MP.

 

There was a General Election and Charlie Elphicke was elected as a Conservative & Unionist MP but the Conservative & Unionists suspended him, 

he is still suspended, but innocent until proved otherwise.  

Obviously the constituency voted in the Tory but have to just have the Independent without the Tory Whip representing them.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-43774570 

 

The Conservative and Unionists are struggling in the House of Lords to get votes to go the way they need so they are putting in some new Peers, 

Eric Pickles and other ex Tory MP's to boost the numbers. An ex DUP one as well just for good measure.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-44167066 

 

Simply Fixed, 'Simply Clever'.

when voting is not going the way you want then you know what you need to do, fix who you have there to do the voting.

 

 

Edited 19 May, 2018 by Offski

[lol-lol]

Hi Lee

 

will be lots of BREXIT jobs at frontier cities like Southampton, lots of work handling the half a billion electronic customs declaration, software houses who many are round Southampton.  Billions of Euros/pounds of new work with the BREXIT borders, electronic, manual or both. 

 

It could be worse you could our MP, the BREXIT Minister Robin Walker, who was a strong Remainer, turncoat.  He claimed a 2p pencil sharpener in his expenses of £144k pa)

 

Hopefully will go down with May as a carpetbagger.  

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/carpetbagger

 

 

    

[Guest FurryFriend]

When we joined The Maastricht Treaty it was on the understanding that it was a TRADE agreement beneficial to all members. It broadly worked. 

But as always, for those with the most influence and money, it became an opportunity to make trillions of euros, pounds, dollars  any currency you care to name on the back of it. 

And as exactly forecast the spivs have taken over. Junker, Tusk, Merkel, Verhoffstadt et al, feeding at the trough, and wanting to RULE EUROPE. 

NOBODY IN THE UK EVER SIGNED UP TO RULE BY THE EU. 

 

Our country is not up for rule or takeover by those parasites. 

We are taking it back. Our laws, our way of life, our decisions, customs and government.

Not theirs.

The right to decide who lives here, and who should not. Australian style. 

And if you can't see that Lee and others, I feel genuinely sorry that you are happy to see our country being taken over by a ramshackle mob of unelected spivs, and not challenge it. 

They will put every obstacle in the way to make our departure as awkward as possible. Because that's the way they work. But they will regret crossing the UK once our money stops going to them. That's ALL they are bothered about. 

Don't kid yourself that Europe is stable... It's in financial crisis, and will not last. 

 

And that is my final say on it mate, because there's too much unpleasantness on the whole matter. 

So believe whatever you want. 

 

Edited 19 May, 2018 by FurryFriend

[Ryeman]

California didn’t sign up to be ruled by Trump either.

Being free to not be bothered can have consequences.

[181ce]

My sweet Jesus,some people are just flat out full stop fxxxking deluded.

Sovereignty my *******s.

What kind of lunatics are some of ye people.

"Great" Britain hasn't ruled the waves/world or anything else since the days of natzis.....

Oops I mean colonialism.

Once the powerhouse of the industrial revolution now what's left ?

I'm glad to say I'm not actually English,I'd be mortally ashamed to be in any way associated with the British bulldog/football holigans who obviously were the only people that voted for Brexit survey ?

[181ce]

7 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

California didn’t sign up to be ruled by Trump either.

Being free to not be bothered can have consequences.

Elegantly put , slightly more polite than my last post

[@Lee]

Oh dear. It seems the Gammon has been triggered.
Instead of replying with an answer to my question 'how will Berxit benefit me?' @FurryFriend, you've just spouted the same jingoistic NONSENSE that Quitlings have been spouting for over TWO years now.
And not ONCE has anyone replied with an answer other than 'SOVRINTEA' or 'ARE BOARDERS' or IMMIGRANTS'.
Frankly I'm surprised you didn't mention the term EUSSR as that's about all you've missed out from your post unless you were being restrained.

[S00perb]

STOP PRESS: ACTUAL SENSE FROM A BREXITEER!!!!!!!!!

 

 

[Ootohere]

'How will BREXIT benefit me?',    keeps being asked, 

How t** f*** can someone answer that if they do not know you or your circumstances!,    How would remaining in the EU have benefited you?

[@Lee]

13 minutes ago, Offski said:

  How would remaining in the EU have benefited you?

Take your pick, George................
 

European Union citizens have the right to free movement, settlement and employment across the EU. EU citizens are also free to trade and transport goods, services and capital through EU borders, as in a national market, with no restrictions on capital movements or duty-fees.^[3]Citizens also have the right to vote in and run as a candidate in local elections in the country where they live, European elections and European Citizens' Initiative.

Citizenship of the EU also confers the right to consular protection by embassies of other EU member states when a person's country of citizenship is not represented by an embassy or consulate in the country in which they require protection.^[4] EU citizens also have the right to address the European Parliament, European Ombudsman, and EU agencies directly in their own language,^[5] provided the issue raised is within said agency's competence.^[6]

EU citizens also enjoy the legal protections of EU law,^[7] specifically the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union^[8] and acts and directives regarding e. g. protection of personal data, rights of victims of crime, preventing and combating trafficking in human beings, equal pay, protection from discrimination in employment on grounds of religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.^[9][8] The EU also has an office of European Ombudsman whom EU citizens can approach directly.^{[10]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizenship_of_the_European_Union}

 

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Brussels is responsible for more than just regulations governing the curvature of bananas

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/eu-what-has-european-union-done-for-us-david-cameron-brexit-a6850626.html

[Ootohere]

Stop the waffle, bluster and general crap about all that stuff, what are the negatives to you personally from BREXIT?

 

Can you no longer do something that you did before or planned to, are you truly stuffed now from going someplace to work or live?

[@Lee]

4 minutes ago, Offski said:

Stop the waffle, bluster and general crap about all that stuff, what are the negatives to you personally from BREXIT?

 

Can you no longer do something that you did before or planned to, are you truly stuffed now from going someplace to work or live?

The negatives are the opposite of what's in the wiki article. What's so difficult? 

[Ootohere]

How will BREXIT affect you personally?   You ask the question what will Brexit benefit me?    I thought you meant you, not everyone, or some other Joe.

[skomaz]

4 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Take your pick, George................
 

European Union citizens have the right to free movement, settlement and employment across the EU. EU citizens are also free to trade and transport goods, services and capital through EU borders, as in a national market, with no restrictions on capital movements or duty-fees.^[3]Citizens also have the right to vote in and run as a candidate in local elections in the country where they live, European elections and European Citizens' Initiative.

Citizenship of the EU also confers the right to consular protection by embassies of other EU member states when a person's country of citizenship is not represented by an embassy or consulate in the country in which they require protection.^[4] EU citizens also have the right to address the European Parliament, European Ombudsman, and EU agencies directly in their own language,^[5] provided the issue raised is within said agency's competence.^[6]

EU citizens also enjoy the legal protections of EU law,^[7] specifically the Charter of Fundamental Rights of the European Union^[8] and acts and directives regarding e. g. protection of personal data, rights of victims of crime, preventing and combating trafficking in human beings, equal pay, protection from discrimination in employment on grounds of religion or belief, sexual orientation and age.^[9][8] The EU also has an office of European Ombudsman whom EU citizens can approach directly.^[10]

 

Can I just ask how many times you have made use of those specific and particular rights (excluding holidays).

[lol-lol]

4 hours ago, Offski said:

How will BREXIT affect you personally?   You ask the question what will Brexit benefit me?    I thought you meant you, not everyone, or some other Joe.

 

So much work getting the customs systems ready but will be billions of pounds worth of fees to collect both sides of the channel.  Lots of jobs too.

 

[Ryeman]

41 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

So much work getting the customs systems ready but will be billions of pounds worth of fees to collect both sides of the channel.  Lots of jobs too.

 

I remember a time when the word efficiencies was popular amongst the dries.

Don’t seem to hear it anymore.

[@Lee]

3 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

Can I just ask how many times you have made use of those specific and particular rights (excluding holidays).

Whether or not I've used them is irrelevant. If I need to exercise them they are there. 
Take windscreen cover (this being a car forum). You have it but do you use it? It's there in case you need it.

[lol-lol]

8 hours ago, Ryeman said:

I remember a time when the word efficiencies was popular amongst the dries.    Don’t seem to hear it anymore.

 

International logistics doing customs clearance are always looking for competitive advantages and efficiency is always high on our agenda as it is such a competitive industry.  Companies like the German HQ'd DHL that will move much of BREXIT goods, Allport, (Chinese), Bollore (French), CEVA (Dutch), DHL, Expeditors (US) etc etc do massive exercises and reviews to improve efficiency but there is a lot of data and processing to clear goods for customs, even small consignment of a couple of hundred Euros.

 

The UK is currently implementing the European Union's Union Customs Code, despite leaving the EU in a few months, which has significant new requirements and costs to be passed on to those involved in international trade making importing more complex and expensive both in to and out of the UK and with 4 to 5 times more customs entries post BREXIT we are talking about billions of pounds of cost. 

 

The highly automated solution for customs, RFID rolling customs declarations for frontiers are still several years away meaning a 2 minute truck delay thru Dover becomes more like 20 minutes and queue at Dover of 20 or 30 kilometers result with the current throughput and capacity to customs process at Dover. One can pick another port or change to airfreight but all have even greater cost implication post BREXIT.   Interesting time ahead.       

[Ryeman]

5 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

International logistics doing customs clearance are always looking for competitive advantages and efficiency is always high on our agenda as it is such a competitive industry.  Companies like the German HQ'd DHL that will move much of BREXIT goods, Allport, (Chinese), Bollore (French), CEVA (Dutch), DHL, Expeditors (US) etc etc do massive exercises and reviews to improve efficiency but there is a lot of data and processing to clear goods for customs, even small consignment of a couple of hundred Euros.

 

The UK is currently implementing the European Union's Union Customs Code, despite leaving the EU in a few months, which has significant new requirements and costs to be passed on to those involved in international trade making importing more complex and expensive both in to and out of the UK and with 4 to 5 times more customs entries post BREXIT we are talking about billions of pounds of cost. 

 

The highly automated solution for customs, RFID rolling customs declarations for frontiers are still several years away meaning a 2 minute truck delay thru Dover becomes more like 20 minutes and queue at Dover of 20 or 30 kilometers result with the current throughput and capacity to customs process at Dover. One can pick another port or change to airfreight but all have even greater cost implication post BREXIT.   Interesting time ahead.       

Old fashioned socialists will be happy with the Brexit Job Creation Scheme.

[lol-lol]

3 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

Old fashioned socialists will be happy with the Brexit Job Creation Scheme.

 

The UK Chancellor has earmarked two billion pounds to implement BREXIT and that will be a combination of ICT systems and personnel but the UK has not spend a penny of this money other than a separate amount of about quarter of a billion to implement the UCC mentioned above.  There will have to be some staff ,certainly many hundreds and possibly in to the low thousands to deal with the Frontier, Border Force and Customs and lots more inland auditing of companies import and export, all roles I have done in the past and pre 1993 when the Single Market was created.

 

Then the International Logistics community also need thousands of staff to process these export and import declarations, average customs entry costs a few tens of pounds but there will be a couple of hundred million extra ones come BREXIT.  700 days in there has been no agreement on transitional arrangements format and now only 300 days to sort something out with little indication of being closed to an agreed format so without agreement the customs arrangements it will default to full "Third Country" treatment of these movements.  Expect companies will start to squirrel consignment stock in the next few months with their customers and then see how it pans out from 1100 GMT 29th March 2019 (Midnight CET).   Pound twists and turns on the likely outcome but still well under the 1.47 it was pre BREXIT vote against the Euro.

 

[moley]

38 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

The highly automated solution for customs, RFID rolling customs declarations for frontiers are still several years away meaning a 2 minute truck delay thru Dover becomes more like 20 minutes and queue at Dover of 20 or 30 kilometers result with the current throughput and capacity to customs process at Dover. 

If I take the car to the tunnel or Dover for the ferries the ticket states be there 1 hour in advance, I assume it's the same for trucks, so plenty of time to process any customs paperwork.

 

17 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

  Pound twists and turns on the likely outcome but still well under the 1.47 it was pre BREXIT vote against the Euro.

The exchange rate to the euro was only averaging around 1.27 in the month leading up to the referendum. The dollar was averaging 1.42.

[Ryeman]

It’s a $US story at the moment and their PEs are around 22......thin ice for the world’s economy. 

Then there’s Trump.

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, moley said:

1. If I take the car to the tunnel or Dover for the ferries the ticket states be there 1 hour in advance, I assume it's the same for trucks, so plenty of time to process any customs paperwork.

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2.The exchange rate to the euro was only averaging around 1.27 in the month leading up to the referendum. The dollar was averaging 1.42.

 

1. Was sat in a meeting with the Port of Dover rep earlier this month and his was talking about 2 minutes becoming 20 minutes and that presumes you have the customs paperwork all pre-prepared and the goods just need arriving at port, and then it will get the green light for load and depart or would be selected for paperwork or physical exam and in that case it could easily go to an hour or more.

 

2. HMRC exchange rates for June 2016 was 1.296 per pound for the Euro and 1.462 for USD. 

HMRC Euro rate for May 18 is 1.15 so pound is 13% weaker against the Euro and though USD has been set at 1.423 by HMRC, so only a 2% change since the BREXIT vote for the US dollar (much due to dollar weakness as a Trump policy effect), the current spot rate is 1.3469 for the pound versus the dollar so we are expecting a big change in the rate to use for imports priced in USD (around 85% of the UK imports) for June 18 we are looking like  8% weaker than pre-BREXIT and this affect so many imports including clothes, electrical goods and oil, which is hitting recent highs.