EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[@Lee]

3 minutes ago, CWARD said:

 

Good article and confirms my view of NATO and the pointless duplication of the E.U. Army

 

Internationally, Estonia gained approval in 2008 to establish NATO’s Cooperative Cyber Defense Center of Excellence in Tallinn. Its comprehensive research into global cyber activities helps identify best practices in cyber defense and training for NATO members. 

In 2014, Riga, the capital of neighboring Latvia, became home to another NATO organization combating Russian influence, the Strategic Communications Center of Excellence. It publishes reports on Russian disinformation activities, such as the May 2018 study of the “Virtual Russian World in the Baltics.” That report analyzes Russian social media activities targeting Baltic nations with a “toxic mix of disinformation and propaganda.” It also provides insight into identifying and detecting Russian disinformation campaigns.

For ****s sakes you've done it again.  @trundlenut's spot on. You copy and paste **** to support your argument with no link to back it up and present it as your own work.
If you were a student you'd be booted out for plagiarism.
Here's what you've posted and where you've copied and pasted it from.
http://theconversation.com/countering-russian-disinformation-the-baltic-nations-way-109366

[Ryeman]

Do the British voters think that Russia wasn’t interested in the Brexit campaign?

Seriously?.

[@Lee]

3 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

Do the British voters think that Russia wasn’t interested in the Brexit campaign?

Seriously?.

I guess a lot didn't care/ think that far/ were too stupid.
Of course Putin had an interest. It's been proven beyond doubt that there was Russian interference via Social Media no matter what some people say or try to deny ex post facto.
Who has the most to gain from a destabilised EU?
Putin.
Who has the most to gain from a weakened UK?
The US
 

[Ryeman]

And the FBI took Trump’s behaviour as being akin to a Russian asset.

He was is!

 

(ignorance isn’t a defence)

Edited 12 January, 2019 by Ryeman

[Ootohere]

Jason J Hunter, George Osborne, David Cameron will have done quite well financially. 

Then Mr May. 

The members of the European Research group, especially Jacob Rees-Mogg MP and his backers / employers.

Philip Hammond MP,  Sir John Redwood MP & many many others will be doing rather well out of the market ups and downs.

[Ryeman]

1 minute ago, Skoffski said:

Jason J Hunter, George Osborne, David Cameron will have done quite well financially. 

Then Mr May. 

The members of the European Research group, especially Jacob Rees-Mogg MP and his backers / employers.

Philip Hammond MP,  Sir John Redwood MP & many many others will be doing rather well out of the market ups and downs.

I guess that’ll please the factory workers of Birmingham.

[Ryeman]

Someone needs to tell Nigel and Boris that Russia regards them as assets.

 

Cameron should stick to riding with the hounds in his red jacket.

Edited 13 January, 2019 by Ryeman

[Ootohere]

I think he thought he would get to ride the red headed one, as Rupert her boss played him along.

[Ryeman]

1 minute ago, Skoffski said:

I think he thought he would get to ride the red headed one, as Rupert her boss played him along.

Silly me !

Add Rupert’s to the list of Russian assets.

Numero uno!

[Ootohere]

This is 2 days after the EU referendum in the east coast, 1 day after The Donald re-opened Turnberry on the west coast.

 

David Cameron was / is an amateur

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 January, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ryeman]

Rupert describes Trump as a “f*ck*ng idiot” but isn’t averse to associating with him.

Prety much the definition of a money grubbing hypocrite.

[Ootohere]

Ivanka Trump (Mrs Kushner) was a Trustee of Rupert Murdochs youngest daughters trust funds as i remember it. 

 Part of Fox News being a part of their Trust Funds.

[@Lee]

41 minutes ago, Skoffski said:

Jason J Hunter, George Osborne, David Cameron will have done quite well financially. 

Then Mr May. 

The members of the European Research group, especially Jacob Rees-Mogg MP and his backers / employers.

Philip Hammond MP,  Sir John Redwood MP & many many others will be doing rather well out of the market ups and downs.

You should be careful making comments like that.
Jason J Hunter gave up full time employment to do what he's doing. I can assure you he's not making any money.
Just yesterday he travelled from his home to visit three or four Wetherspoosns pubs where Tim Martin was holding a 'Public Debate'.
He was removed from one in Portsmouth for speaking against Tim Martin, denied entry to The Standing Order in Southampton and removed from a pub in Weymouth before Tim Martin had even arrived.
Tim Martin is a shyster who appeals to his audience of boozers who are mostly of a certain age or class (we all know Wetherspoon's attract the unemployed so let's not pretend otherwise)
Yes, I can provide links to newspaper atricles if you request them.

[Ootohere]

You should be careful what you say and post about Tim Martin.

 

Love you,  so now we see what you think about the Unemployed and Witherspoon drinkers  or customers. 

Do all sorts of places not attract the Unemployed.  Greggs, M&S, TK Maxx, Sports Division & Harrods or the Ritz?

 

'3 men in a pub' and the fan boy in Germany, not a Wetherspoon pub obviously...

Is Jason J Hunter in part time employment now then, just no longer in full time employment, or not an employee or head sales person just a Media Personality, maybe self employed, or is that un-employed?  Tickets sell well for appearances.

http://uk.linkedin.com/in/jasonjhunter

 

http://uk.gofundme.com/help-me-stop-brexit-we-can-do-it

Fair enough if he has not enough to live on after spending all his life's savings trying to save the British people from their stupidity.

Resigning and making ones self un-employed and then going about begging is a bit much, but then world Trade Negotiators can be like that.

Whats wrong with getting a sleeping bag on College Green and appear every day on the news?

 

Edited 13 January, 2019 by Skoffski

[CWARD]

6 hours ago, Lee01 said:

For ****s sakes you've done it again.  @trundlenut's spot on. You copy and paste **** to support your argument with no link to back it up and present it as your own work.
If you were a student you'd be booted out for plagiarism.
Here's what you've posted and where you've copied and pasted it from.
http://theconversation.com/countering-russian-disinformation-the-baltic-nations-way-109366

 

Well done you dumb ****. It was an extract from Ryeman post which I’d copied from. Why the **** should I try and pass it off as my own when it clearly starts with Good article and confirms my view of NATO  

 

 

[Ryeman]

I expect the bureaucracy is in energy saving mode awaiting the return of grownups as legislators.

Come the mid 20s and we’l all be wondering if it really did happen...............god, I hope so!

(suffer the children otherwise)

[gadgetman]

So to summerise the last few pages? 

 

There's no evidence of an EU Army except from websites keen on promoting that as part of anti EU propaganda 

 

The EU legislation won't kill the NHS, in the same way as the now defunct UK/EU-US trade deal wouldn't have. 

 

 

The leave campaign are very good at getting people to fall for outright lies to continue their campaign of hate against the EU. 

 

 

Banks' millions spent on media gurus has clearly paid off 

Edited 13 January, 2019 by gadgetman

[Ootohere]

& the UK's elected government campaigned for a 'remain' vote spending billions of public money even though Government Ministers were campaigning to leave.

Remain supporters and Government Ministers and other Elected members lied.

Remain took illegal donations just as Leave did.

 

There was supposed to be only one outcome from the EU referendum and those that bet on Remain lost unless hedging their bet and betting on both outcomes.

 

More investigations needed into Remain and their funding.   Donations to 3rd parties to support 'leave'.

Moneys from a Senior Conservative party member or worker or employee in Scotland or elsewhere to a organisation in Northern Ireland and where that money came from as an example.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-44624299

 

More investigations needed by the Charities Commission into 'Think Tanks' that are funded by overseas interests and that have Members of Parliament as Trustees or Employees of the UK Government.

 

Both Remain or Brexit supporting think tanks might have been breaking UK laws on Referendum or Elections.

http://theferret.scot/legatum-brexit-charity-commission

 

http://theferret.scot/tory-dark-money-trust-2-35m

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 January, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ryeman]

A parallel shambles -

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/12/us/politics/brexit-shutdown-us-britain-trump.html

[CWARD]

1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

So to summerise the last few pages?

In your biased view

 

There's no evidence of an EU Army except from websites keen on promoting that as part of anti EU propaganda

From the anti EU Reuters

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-army/after-macron-eu-executive-echoes-eu-army-call-idUKKCN1NB24E 

The rabid anti EU Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2018/12/18/negotiating-brexit-is-just-the-beginning-then-the-e-u-and-u-k-have-to-agree-on-defense-and-security/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.142f3040d65e

and

“I believe in the project of a sovereign Europe. We won’t protect Europe if we don’t decide to have a true European army. In front of Russia, which is at our borders and which can be threatening, I would like to start a security dialogue with Russia, which is a country I respect and which is European,” Macron told Europe 1.“We have to have a Europe that can defend itself alone — and without only relying on the United States — in a more sovereign manner,” he added.

From Business Insider via Rueters

https://www.businessinsider.com/eu-countries-agree-mega-army-2017-11?r=UK&IR=T

 

The EU legislation won't kill the NHS, in the same way as the now defunct UK/EU-US trade deal wouldn't have. 

I guess it's OK to sell off the NHS to EU and Canadian companies in your view so long as it's not the USA

https://corporateeurope.org/power-lobbies/2017/06/creeping-privatisation-healthcare

http://www.patients4nhs.org.uk/the-eu-ftas/

 

The leave campaign are very good at getting people to fall for outright lies to continue their campaign of hate against the EU. 

The information I quoted isn't from the leave campaign but from the EU and Academics who have studied it.

 

Banks' millions spent on media gurus has clearly paid off 

Who gives a **** about Banks

 

Edited 13 January, 2019 by CWARD

[CWARD]

I found this quote interesting from Politico

 

The Commission also allocated €500 million in 2019-20 for defense industrial research projects, which one European NATO official said would help reduce reliance on Washington. “Currently it's all based on U.S. and U.K. technology,” the official said. "Once this will be done, EU member states will be in the position to choose between U.S. and EU products.”

 

It would be interesting to know who the official was as it is clearly untrue 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_British_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_equipment_of_the_German_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modern_equipment_of_the_French_Army

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_equipment_of_the_Hellenic_Army

 

 

[181ce]

Oh dear sweet Jesus,when wil the  retardedness end ?????

 

[CWARD]

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Edited 13 January, 2019 by CWARD

[wonkyewok]

thanks @CWARDfor the Reuters and Washington post links above.

 

[@Lee]

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Theresa May says no Brexit more likely than no deal

Oh dear how sad never mind.
Oh, and there's no ****ing EU army either.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46856149