EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[Ryeman]

Why can’t there be a comprehensive postal plebiscite and get one complete opinion instead of a oops stuff up followed by a

‘s##t’ sandwich.  

 

[Ryeman]

What do you think the heads of NATO want, might be a good question to ask.

[Ootohere]

^^^?

What has the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation got to do with the UK and Territories leaving the EU.

Not all countries in NATO are in the EU or even close with the USA being a major one that is not.

[Ryeman]

2 minutes ago, Offski said:

^^^?

What has the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation got to do with the UK and Territories leaving the EU.

Not all countries in NATO are in the EU or even close with the USA being a major one that is not.

Who do you think would most benefit from the fracturing of European solidarity........one step at a time George?.

The bear isn’t a nice, simply misunderstood guy.

[Ootohere]

The UK is not leaving NATO is it, or even talking about leaving NATO?    Might not be contributing as much to NATO though!

[KenONeill]

13 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Why can’t there be a comprehensive postal plebiscite and get one complete opinion instead of a oops stuff up followed by a

‘s##t’ sandwich.  

 

Because only dictatorships actually believe in a mandatory plebiscite!  

[domhnall]

On 03/12/2018 at 11:51, Lee01 said:

FTFY

 

hmm given that Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected Brexit it's hard to see how this is British. I'm reading Fintan O'Toole's excellent book on Brexit and he makes clear up front, Brexit is a result of English nationalism. The rest of us are just strapped in the car with England at the wheel heading for the cliff / wall / insert your own metaphor here

 

[domhnall]

15 hours ago, Lee01 said:

Liz Pugh from the chippy has spoken, people. Board up your windows, women and children first. Men and boys over 14, grab a pitchfork or other implement. It's gonna be Gammongeddon out there. Liz from the chippy says so.
 

https://news.sky.com/story/sky-views-will-there-be-civil-war-if-brexit-isnt-delivered-10716408

 

what sort of savages eat mushy peas with a fish supper? everyone knows it's salt n' sauce

[KenONeill]

3 hours ago, domhnall said:

it's salt n' sauce

s/sauce/vinegar

[gadgetman]

4 hours ago, domhnall said:

 

what sort of savages eat mushy peas with a fish supper? everyone knows it's salt n' sauce

It'd have lashings of gravy too

[domhnall]

10 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

It'd have lashings of gravy too

 

heathens the lot of you ;-)

[KenONeill]

21 minutes ago, domhnall said:

 

heathens the lot of you ;-)

Curry sauce?

[domhnall]

46 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

Curry sauce?

 

no just chippy sauce

 

https://www.scotsman.com/news/salt-n-sauce-capital-chippy-sauce-export-bid-1-2880928

[Ootohere]

A country divided by language and food / condiments.

 

 

[Ryeman]

12 hours ago, KenONeill said:

Because only dictatorships actually believe in a mandatory plebiscite!  

You mean Chinese and Russian dictatorships want everyone to submit a sealed envelope opinion?.

Australia is therefore a dictatorship.

[Ryeman]

JLR sales prospects under scrutiny - Tata Motors now junk status investment.

https://europe.autonews.com/article/20181205/ANE/181209866/jaguar-land-rover-weakness-drives-owner-tata-motors-deeper-into-junk-rating

[moley]

While I'm sure Brexit will have some impact on UK Car sales JLR's problem is that a high percentage of their models are diesel. UK car sales are down 7% year on year and diesel models are down 30%. JLR's Real problem is China, where sales have dropped.

[Ryeman]

14 minutes ago, moley said:

While I'm sure Brexit will have some impact on UK Car sales JLR's problem is that a high percentage of their models are diesel. UK car sales are down 7% year on year and diesel models are down 30%. JLR's Real problem is China, where sales have dropped.

I’d been hankering for a diesel Evoque but even that seems to be unavailable out here, which may be down to WLTP issues.

It seems PSA vehicle supply has dried up also.

Thats why the Kia Electric (500km) route seems to be (for us with our abundant solar home power) such a slam dunk all of a sudden.

[KenONeill]

16 hours ago, domhnall said:

 

no just chippy sauce

 

https://www.scotsman.com/news/salt-n-sauce-capital-chippy-sauce-export-bid-1-2880928

Weird! I can understand vinegar or curry sauce, but dilute brown sauce makes no sense!

[KenONeill]

10 hours ago, Ryeman said:

You mean Chinese and Russian dictatorships want everyone to submit a sealed envelope opinion?.

Australia is therefore a dictatorship.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... ;-)

[@Lee]

Yougov poll. Deal, No Deal or Remain. Quite categorical, wouldn't you say.
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2018/12/06/mays-brexit-deal-leads-just-two-constituencies-it-
 

[Ryeman]

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/world/europe/brexit-sunderland-nissan-may.html

[Ryeman]

The undermining of democracy -

http://theconversation.com/3-ways-facebook-and-other-social-media-companies-could-clean-up-their-acts-if-they-wanted-to-107763

[26DIPP]

On 05/12/2018 at 10:25, domhnall said:

 

hmm given that Scotland and Northern Ireland rejected Brexit it's hard to see how this is British. I'm reading Fintan O'Toole's excellent book on Brexit and he makes clear up front, Brexit is a result of English nationalism. The rest of us are just strapped in the car with England at the wheel heading for the cliff / wall / insert your own metaphor here

 

One part of Brexit was about "returning power from Brussels". If the UK had a similar voting parity where different parts of the UK had equal votes as you have in the EU, the vote by country should have been 50 / 50 and debate might go a different way. In the EU each member state has an equal vote not depending on geographical size, population size or economic power but simply on membership. To be more democratic the UK in its wisdom could introduce the same.

[CWARD]

1 hour ago, 26DIPP said:

One part of Brexit was about "returning power from Brussels". If the UK had a similar voting parity where different parts of the UK had equal votes as you have in the EU, the vote by country should have been 50 / 50 and debate might go a different way. In the EU each member state has an equal vote not depending on geographical size, population size or economic power but simply on membership. To be more democratic the UK in its wisdom could introduce the same.

 

Nice statement but totally incorrect. 

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/

 

More votes now go by qualified majority, with largest population by country get their way. Germany, France, Italy and Spain accounts for over 50% of the E.U. population alone. 

 

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/voting-system/voting-calculator/

Edited 8 December, 2018 by CWARD