1 minute ago, camelspyyder said:

5 out of 6

Quality and reliability. 

 

 

Time max had the luck. Renault has not been good for him this year. hes nowhere in the points.

Excellent drive from Verstappen. Bad day at the office for Hamilton, but he still wins a fourth world title.

Mercedes constructors champions, Mercedes driver world champion. 

1 minute ago, moley said:

Excellent drive from Verstappen. Bad day at the office for Hamilton, but he still wins a fourth world title.

Mercedes constructors champions, Mercedes driver world champion. 

 

 

Let us hope for a bit of a better scrap next year as it has been pretty dull since the re-introduction of the turbo era, but looking a bit more even since the summer break so may it continue thru 2018 but what will happen in 2019 is anyone's guess with the shake up in team personnel and engines for chassis.

18 minutes ago, moley said:

Quality and reliability. 

 

At least with the road cars, thankfully, you get 4 years and 100k mile warranty as standard unlike some we could mention.   

19 minutes ago, moley said:

Quality and reliability. 

 

at least Renault F1's don't Rust like Dusters

5 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

 

at least Renault F1's don't Rust like Dusters

 

They had a little bit of an issue on some Indian made ones and then switch, a long time ago, back to the European or it might be the Moroccan production, and not had issues since then that I am aware of.   Nearly finished the 60K mile in the Logan and think what next.  Torn between a Sandero 0.9 TCE as a run around or a Clio RS, and as there is not a hot hatch Skoda any more, after the half dozen VRSs I have had, have to look elsewhere.    Havehad a Leon Cupra, might give one a go, and if the right deal who knows. 

Edited 29 October, 20178 yr by lol-lol

9 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

At least with the road cars, thankfully, you get 4 years and 100k mile warranty as standard unlike some we could mention.   

The engine in a road cars and an F1 car are chalk and cheese. What do Renault offer on an F1 engine, 4 minutes or 10 miles?

Just now, moley said:

The engine in a road cars and an F1 car are chalk and cheese. What do Renault offer on an F1 engine, 4 minutes or 10 miles?

 

Max did OK, clearer still lots to learn now that they have got the power and performance up to and beyond the Ferrari and Merc, at least with Max at the wheel.   

With 23% less air to cool the engine in Mexico, and producing all that new power, there clearly is work to do on the cooling at high altitude, be nice if RB would share some of its techniques as Max's pressures and temperatures stayed within parameters and he could even back off and beat Bottas and Kimi in to a cocked hat at not even full effort.    

I liked F1 when most teams were running Ford DFV engines, then it was how good the chassis and the drivers were. When Renault entered the sport in the late 70's with the Turbo the sport lost a lot off it's appeal. The 'big boys' like BMW and Honda piled in with their turbo's and costs went and slowly the 'manufactures' took over the sport. Now it's more of a business than a spectacle.

11 minutes ago, moley said:

I liked F1 when most teams were running Ford DFV engines, then it was how good the chassis and the drivers were. When Renault entered the sport in the late 70's with the Turbo the sport lost a lot off it's appeal. The 'big boys' like BMW and Honda piled in with their turbo's and costs went and slowly the 'manufactures' took over the sport. Now it's more of a business than a spectacle.

 

That's not quite true. The original Renault turbos were horrendously unreliable and the motoring press at the time were convinced they could never be made to work reliably. That said, the "1500bhp from 1.5 litres turbo era" was scarily exciting and the drivers had some seriously sized cajonas.

 

I also agree about the DFV v Ferrari era.

25 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Max did OK, clearer still lots to learn now that they have got the power and performance up to and beyond the Ferrari and Merc, at least with Max at the wheel.   

With 23% less air to cool the engine in Mexico, and producing all that new power, there clearly is work to do on the cooling at high altitude, be nice if RB would share some of its techniques as Max's pressures and temperatures stayed within parameters and he could even back off and beat Bottas and Kimi in to a cocked hat at not even full effort.    

 

As you said earlier, he only had the B-drivers to beat. He's an established star now and only Vettel and Lewis are genuine competition for him. For once he had all the luck, too.

Edited 29 October, 20178 yr by camelspyyder

Kvyat for Williams ? 

Do they think he's better than Wehrlein?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kvyat-in-the-frame-for-williams-seat-972539/?s=1

1 hour ago, Wet Kipper said:

Kvyat for Williams ? 

Do they think he's better than Wehrlein?

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/kvyat-in-the-frame-for-williams-seat-972539/?s=1

 

Previously posted on page 18.

 

At no point did Paddy Lowe specifically mention Kvyat is being considered.

 

And Wehrlein is only getting a look-in because Mercedes can afford to buy the seat. I think he's been less convincing this year than last.  He should had absolutely battered, the very weak, Ericsson every weekend this year. In retrospect (I didn't agree at the time) Force India chose wisely when they took Ocon instead.

Edited 1 November, 20178 yr by camelspyyder

Mercedes, Renault not keen on 2021 F1 engines  proposal:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/41833948

 

Aston Martin are though:

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132792/aston-encouraged-by-2021-engine-direction

On 10/29/2017 at 08:43, tweenster said:

 

 

Massa to retire this season !

Edited 4 November, 20178 yr by lol-lol

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Massa to retire this season !

Two retirements in as many years, who else can boast that? I'm sure there are others.

Nice guy, almost a champion, so dignified in that defeat

On 11/4/2017 at 13:36, lol-lol said:

 

Massa to retire this season !

 

On 11/4/2017 at 14:48, LightRain said:

Two retirements in as many years, who else can boast that? I'm sure there are others.

Harry Lauder?    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Lauder

Prost.  2 in 3 years...Although he was actually fired rather than retired by Ferrari.

Mansell retired repeatedly until he got too fat to fit in the 95 McLaren.

Edited 6 November, 20178 yr by camelspyyder

Three Renault engine cars with grid penalties for changing MGU-H units and one of those then expired during Friday practice. How many Renault engines will self destruct over the rest of the weekend?

Kubica to get another Williams test at Abu Dhabi according to Autosport- must be almost a done deal now.

Ha HA HA

...HAmilton.  What a Donkey!