2017 F1 General Discussion Topic

[Wet Kipper]

It seems that nowadays, when 2 drivers come together, they both immediately radio in with "XYZ just ran into me, what's he playing at"

 

If the stewards find one party completely responsible, should they also be penalised for attempting to implicate the innocent party ? Or just ridiculed ?

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

5 minutes ago, Wet Kipper said:

It seems that nowadays, when 2 drivers come together, they both immediately radio in with "XYZ just ran into me, what's he playing at"

 

If the stewards find one party completely responsible, should they also be penalised for attempting to implicate the innocent party ? Or just ridiculed ?

 

Well from the radio messages to Ocon it seemed almost encouraged. He was run off by someone, then they radio'd HIM and asked if he was pushed off, he said yeah and they said well you need to tell us or nothing will be investigated.

 

It sounded like stewards would only investigate if the driver moaned over the raido

Edited 5 October, 2017 by matt1chelski

[Wet Kipper]

I'm thinking more of in the Ocon situation, If Sainz had also been on the radio saying "Ocon hit me" and then when investigating they find that Sainz was at fault, should he be more harshly punished for trying to pin the blame on Ocon

 

I agree that if drivers have a grievance they should be letting the team know, it just seems like certain drivers are trying to blame everyone else for their misfortune at any opportunity.

Edited 5 October, 2017 by Wet Kipper

[camelspyyder]

Ocon turned in too early, and regardless of whose fault they are, he is habitually getting involved in too many contacts. The Stewards will be getting bored of seeing him by now. They'll start to assume it's his faukt. every time (unless he crashes with Vettel of course)

[camelspyyder]

Palmer out after tomorrow. Sainz moves to Renault at next race. Kyvat and Gasly to continue at STR this year.

[LightRain]

1 hour ago, camelspyyder said:

Palmer out after tomorrow. Sainz moves to Renault at next race. Kyvat and Gasly to continue at STR this year.

 

About bloody time.

[camelspyyder]

13 minutes ago, LightRain said:

 

About bloody time.

 

Maybe a bit harsh;  considering one side effect is getting the new Maldonado (Kvyat) his drive back.

 

With a bit more reliability Palmer could have been an OK #2 driver, but he's not performed consistently well enough over the whole 2 years to justify staying on.

 

It certainly shows how lucky the equally undeserving Ericsson is - having several Swedish billionaire sugar-daddies buying Sauber to keep him on the grid.

[LightRain]

4 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

Maybe a bit harsh;  considering one side effect is getting the new Maldonado (Kvyat) his drive back.

 

I am still amazed how much faith Tost has in Kvyat, maybe he thinks he'll be the next Grosjean....

 

Him, Palmer and indeed Ericsson are just taking up seats that could be used to season some new talent. But yeah, I am probably being a bit harsh.

[camelspyyder]

Fading superteam with slow engines this year and next tries to hobble faster manufacturers who wont supply it...

 

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132273/fia-urged-to-get-tougher-on-burning-oil-in-f1

 

They already know the Renault isn't quite top-line so they're making political waves instead.

 

Sounds like something their devious previous boss, the mighty Ron, would have  done.

 

[LightRain]

I'm quite sure oil burning is as big a red herring as the split turbo was. That said McLaren probably just want to head Honda off on their development of the technology. But, that's just a wild stab in the dark.

[ben1990]

Didn't the fia put restrictions on oil burning before Baku? Pundits thought that it would hinder Mercedes but it actually hurt Ferrari iirc

[LightRain]

2 hours ago, ben1990 said:

Didn't the fia put restrictions on oil burning before Baku? Pundits thought that it would hinder Mercedes but it actually hurt Ferrari iirc

 

Back before Baku they restricted certain combustible compounds from the oil formula. From Italy they set a restriction of 900ml/100km consumption. In 2018 this restriction will be 600ml/100km

[lol-lol]

15 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

Fading superteam with slow engines this year and next tries to hobble faster manufacturers who wont supply it...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/132273/fia-urged-to-get-tougher-on-burning-oil-in-f1

They already know the Renault isn't quite top-line so they're making political waves instead.

Sounds like something their devious previous boss, the mighty Ron, would have  done.

 

If last few races are a bell weather then Renault RB cars are performing equal or better than Ferrari for outright race performance and reliability if not qualifying mode.

 

Goshn, head of Nissan-Renault, said that the F1 Racing must be up there and that is what is happening with the industrial might of the Nissan-Renault Group.  Red Bull cocked up in the last couple of years when aero designer AN took is sabbatical away from F1 and have only themselves to blame for losing the Renault engine supply just as the Renault engines are equally race performance to both Ferrari and Mercedes and hopefully McLaren willl benefit from the latest Renault engines whilst Red Bull contemplate their attitude to a partner.

 

Mercedes have benefited massively from the pre-introduction work they were allowed by the FIA with the introduction of the 1.6 V6 turbo-petrol and that has been a shame for the re-introduction of a turbo era though the split hot/cold ends of the turbo was inspired, their energy recovery is clearly better than everyone else due to the more time they have had to develop.  F1 still remains one of the poorest competitive motor sports and with drivers there on how much sponsorship they bring rather than talent it is a shame but it is still the pinnacle of technology but it is too often processional compared to nearly every other motorsport and rules need to change.

 

Another two Renault engined cars on the podium steps in Japan?     Credit to Lewis acknowledging that the Renault power Red Bulls are as quick as Mercedes in race trim.  

 

Edited 8 October, 2017 by lol-lol

[camelspyyder]

Apples and pears mate.

Mercedes don't run flat out in races because they have a championship to win and reliability is key.

Red Bull are already quicker in the corners, and can thrash their motors to pick up the odd scrap from another disappointing year - like the Malaysia win - because that's all they're going to get.

I couldn't believe how slow Hamilton was running at most stages of the race - however it does hark back to Fangio, Lauda and Prost who all professed that winning the race at the slowest possible speed was the best way.

 

 

Edited 8 October, 2017 by camelspyyder

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, camelspyyder said:

Apples and pears mate.

Mercedes don't run flat out in races because they have a championship to win and reliability is key.

Red Bull are already quicker in the corners, and can thrash their motors to pick up the odd scrap from another disappointing year - like the Malaysia win - because that's all they're going to get.    I couldn't believe how slow Hamilton was running at most stages of the race - however it does hark back to Fangio, Lauda and Prost who all professed that winning the race at the slowest possible speed was the best way.

 

Lewis does not want a blow up like he had last year.......

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/features/2017/10/f1-japan-stats-red-bull-double-double-verstappen-ricciardo.html

 

Red Bull…

• Red Bull followed up their one-three in Malaysia with a two-three in Japan – the first time they have taken back-to-back double podium finishes since 2013.
• For Verstappen it was his second second-place finish at Suzuka in a row, and only the second time in his career he’s scored podiums in successive races.
• Ricciardo took his personal podium tally for 2017 to nine, which is the most he’s ever scored in a single season. He also ticked Suzuka off his list of tracks where he hadn’t finished on the rostrum, leaving Bahrain, Shanghai, Monza, Interlagos, and Abu Dhabi as the only venues on the current calendar where he hasn’t bagged a trophy (and the final two are upcoming).

Lewis's phone nicked by Riki Bobby...........

 

 

 

 

[camelspyyder]

Well, hopefully their chassis will be even faster next year. Renault have bigged up McLaren as their new preferred partner and performance reference. 3rd-string Renaults are not looking like being the front line engine RBR need to push up to the front.

 

Podiums? so what?

 

No-one remembers the runner up at anything. Just the first loser.

Edited 8 October, 2017 by camelspyyder

[gadgetman]

21 hours ago, LightRain said:

 

Back before Baku they restricted certain combustible compounds from the oil formula. From Italy they set a restriction of 900ml/100km consumption. In 2018 this restriction will be 600ml/100km

Less than a Mk2 Fabia VRS 

[lol-lol]

13 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Less than a Mk2 Fabia VRS 

 

Yes but you did not really have to change the oil every 10k as it had burnt through two oil changes worth in that time !

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, camelspyyder said:

Well, hopefully their chassis will be even faster next year. Renault have bigged up McLaren as their new preferred partner and performance reference. 3rd-string Renaults are not looking like being the front line engine RBR need to push up to the front.

 

Podiums? so what?

 

No-one remembers the runner up at anything. Just the first loser.

 

I don't remember Lewis's boring pole to flag but I remember Vestappen's driving round the outside in the rain at Brazil.

[moley]

21 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

 Red Bull cocked up in the last couple of years when aero designer AN took is sabbatical away from F1 and have only themselves to blame for losing the Renault engine supply just as the Renault engines are equally race performance to both Ferrari and Mercedes and hopefully McLaren willl benefit from the latest Renault engines whilst Red Bull contemplate their attitude to a partner.

I seem to recall that Christian Horner was going to ditch the contract with Renault in 2014 because the engine was down on power against Mercedes. He was trying to get another engine supplier, but no one wanted to supply Red Bull, so it was back to Renault. In 2015 Red Bull threatened to quit F1. What comes around, goes around.

[camelspyyder]

4 years without a sniff of a title, RedBull would have quit already if Bernie hadn't tied them to a contract running to 2020ish. They must be hoping the Porsche buyout rumours are true.

Edited 9 October, 2017 by camelspyyder

[LightRain]

3 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

4 years without a sniff of a title, RedBull would have quit already if Bernie hadn't tied them to a contract running to 2020ish. They must be hoping the Porsche buyout rumours are true.

 

Nice way for VAG to get around their commitment to electric. Still, feel bad for the WRC and WEC teams that got the chop so suddenly.

[camelspyyder]

13 hours ago, gadgetman said:

Less than a Mk2 Fabia VRS 

 

I had a pinto engined Sierra that used a gallon of recycled 20/50 every month. I'm not convinced it had any piston rings at all.

[LightRain]

2 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

 

I had a pinto engined Sierra that used a gallon of recycled 20/50 every month. I'm not convinced it had any piston rings at all.

 

 Performance engines don't need piston rings

[camelspyyder]

13 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I don't remember Lewis's boring pole to flag but I remember Vestappen's driving round the outside in the rain at Brazil.

The others will certainly be in trouble when Jos gets him into a top team. He's already a few hundredths quicker than Riccardo who's clearly quicker than Vettel etc

Edited 9 October, 2017 by camelspyyder