I received a letter yesterday from Skoda with "Final Reminder" on the envelope.  As I suspected before I opened it, this was about the NOx cheat removal.  I take it that, since this is the "final reminder", they'll shut up and leave me alone now.  Good.

I doubt that this will be the last correspondence that you get on this subject!

You've been opening them? I just return them to the address on the back.

3 minutes ago, Rustynuts said:

You've been opening them? I just return them to the address on the back.

 

I do this with any junk mail, If theres a pre paid envelope in the junk I remove my name and address, put it all back into the return envelope and send it back, Plus it keeps postie in a job.

We have the main A1 upgrade going on a fewe hundred yards from us, and we got loads of letters from solicitors asking to act on our behalf to claim compensation. I saved them all up and sent each one back in a prepaid envelope to one of their competitors. They all got a letter back which wasn't theirs. I didn't even remove my details, just so they knew who'd done it.

VW seem surprised I don't want it done on either the 2.0 TDi  works car or our 1.6 TDi. 

 

Just tell them about the issues post fix I keep reading about in various forums and online groups like engine issues, power loss, MPG loss, EGR failing, air sensors failing, EML and limp issues etc which VW won't cover. 

 

Sod that 

I have had the final demand too, plus 3 phone calls.  On each call I explained that I wasn't going to do it until someone gave me enough technical evidence about what they were doing to convince me.  They all promised to get "the technical team" to call me back.  Still waiting.  Still refusing the update.

If you speak with a friendly dealer they can record the fact you don't want it doing and have you omitted from the mailing list. 

 

 

I haven`t had a first one yet

23 hours ago, gadgetman said:

VW seem surprised I don't want it done on either the 2.0 TDi  works car or our 1.6 TDi. 

 

Just tell them about the issues post fix I keep reading about in various forums and online groups like engine issues, power loss, MPG loss, EGR failing, air sensors failing, EML and limp issues etc which VW won't cover. 

 

Sod that 

Best way to go.

 

If I were ever in the marker for one of the affected cars I would only consider one that I was very sure had not been subjected to the 'fix', then make sure it never went near an official VAG service workshop just in case they applied it without permission. 

13 hours ago, Octy0GG said:

Best way to go.

 

If I were ever in the marker for one of the affected cars I would only consider one that I was very sure had not been subjected to the 'fix', then make sure it never went near an official VAG service workshop just in case they applied it without permission. 

Contrary to what the internet would have you believe - you probably wouldn't even notice the difference between the two vehicles if you drove them back to back. 

 

VW AG have ensured that any vehicle within the dealer, fleet or auction network will have to have the fix applied which only leaves a few options for those without it. 

12 minutes ago, James@Pentagon_Seat said:

Contrary to what the internet would have you believe - you probably wouldn't even notice the difference between the two vehicles if you drove them back to back. 

 

VW AG have ensured that any vehicle within the dealer, fleet or auction network will have to have the fix applied which only leaves a few options for those without it. 

Just to clarify then, if you take any car that is subject to the recall to a VAG dealer for any work or service they will apply the fix.

 

Is the customer warned about this?

 

If you say 'no thanks' are you just shown the door?

 

Mostly the internet says the fix is win-win all round - could well be the case, just not sure I believe everything on the internet.

 

 

22 minutes ago, James@Pentagon_Seat said:

 

VW AG have ensured that any vehicle within the dealer, fleet or auction network will have to have the fix applied which only leaves a few options for those without it. 

How so? It's not a compulsory recall by any governing body in the UK 

8 hours ago, Octy0GG said:

Just to clarify then, if you take any car that is subject to the recall to a VAG dealer for any work or service they will apply the fix.

 

Is the customer warned about this?

 

If you say 'no thanks' are you just shown the door?

 

Mostly the internet says the fix is win-win all round - could well be the case, just not sure I believe everything on the internet.

 

 

The dealer has no right to force you into having it done, they cannot carry the task out without your signed permission and as I said earlier - you can refuse and be removed from the system. 

8 hours ago, gadgetman said:

How so? It's not a compulsory recall by any governing body in the UK 

I mean any vehicle under their care will be having the fix applied I.e stock vehicles in dealers, cars on lease schemes through VWFS and those in auction houses.

I don't mean that any private vehicle that enters a dealership will have the fix applied without prior consent from the owner.

I've just had a letter from Skoda saying the Volkswagen Group Roadside team can visit a location of my choice to do the " fix " at home or work.

 

It also states that to date over 560,000 vehicles have had the update done. Also they say, once it has been done independent testing authorities have confirmed there will be no negative impact on engine performance, maximum torque, fuel consumption, noise and CO2 emissions.

3 hours ago, James@Pentagon_Seat said:

 

I mean any vehicle under their care will be having the fix applied I.e stock vehicles in dealers, cars on lease schemes through VWFS and those in auction houses.

 

 

Stock vehicles are obviously going to be "fixed", but are you saying that any car that's being leased would be done without the driver's consent? [1] What about those on PCP or other finance?

I'm also curious about those in auction houses, as VW don't have any authority over cars that are in trade when they are neither the vendor nor purchaser.

 

[1] I can't imagine there would be many leased cars needing to be done, based purely on age.

12 hours ago, Octy0GG said:

Mostly the internet says the fix is win-win all round - could well be the case, just not sure I believe everything on the internet.

 

 

That's not my understanding of the situation at all.
A car will either drive just the same as before, or be made worse in terms of economy & performance.

I don't think I've seen anyone suggesting that there's the possibility of a vehicle actually being improved by having the work done so why would you take the risk when there's no rolling back the changes?

If I asked you all to hand over your wallets, with a guarantee that I won't put money into it, but might possibly take some out... Even if it's only going to be 5% of the time, would you agree? 

28 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

 

That's not my understanding of the situation at all.
A car will either drive just the same as before, or be made worse in terms of economy & performance.

I don't think I've seen anyone suggesting that there's the possibility of a vehicle actually being improved by having the work done so why would you take the risk when there's no rolling back the changes?

If I asked you all to hand over your wallets, with a guarantee that I won't put money into it, but might possibly take some out... Even if it's only going to be 5% of the time, would you agree? 

I would agree, hence my initial post which got me the believing "what the internet would have you believe" accusation.

I would consider any car which has had the "fix"  to be potentially damaged and would not risk buying such a car at anything other than a "giveaway" price.

Often folk that disagree with anything said on forums make the accusation of "believing what the internet says". This is an odd one as there is no piece of advice or evidence on the internet which does not have a conflicting bit of advice /evidence also on the internet, it's also an odd one because the forum is on the internet so if you go for the 'ignore the internet' strategy everything on the forum should also be ignored. So it's not so much a case of do you believe the internet or not? more a case of which bit do you believe/disbelieve. The bit that I disbelieve is the bit where there is no downside to the fix.

 

With you on this Dr Zoidberg

 

Interesting thread just started up - 'EA189 Emissions Update - my experience'. 

 

Edited 16 April, 20179 yr by Octy0GG

1 hour ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

 

Stock vehicles are obviously going to be "fixed", but are you saying that any car that's being leased would be done without the driver's consent? [1] What about those on PCP or other finance?

I'm also curious about those in auction houses, as VW don't have any authority over cars that are in trade when they are neither the vendor nor purchaser.

 

[1] I can't imagine there would be many leased cars needing to be done, based purely on age.

If the vehicles being leased are technically the property of VW and are intended to be returned back to them when the agreement ends then they have the governing say. That will differ depending on the agreement, if the option of a post agreement purchase via balloon payment is present then they might not be subject to the same rules.

 

The group have started a campaign to have vehicles that haven't yet been done to be carried out by mobile software technicians contracted through the AA on a mobile basis anywhere in the UK.

 

Regarding the auction houses like BCA - I can only assume that because VW puts a lot of money their way that they are doing as they are told and allowing them access to the vehicles for the work.

 

There are still many cars that are affected and within their lease period, the affected engines were still being supplied and used right up until 2016.

Edited 16 April, 20179 yr by James@Pentagon_Seat

Big deal

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1109949_diesel-deathwatch-uk-to-offer-owners-2000-to-scrap-their-diesels#src=10065

Lets say I was one of those low income people, with a 'bad' diesel. No matter what I do it's no where near as polluting as the 20year old double decker school bus that I can smell coming. See it frequently 'ticking' over waiting to do it's run... belching out nox like a baked bean eating champ.

 

The scrapping scheme is nought for nought if you don't apply it to the commercial fleets out there. Watch any of the live news from parliament, most vehicles in the background are commercial. This isn't a war on nox it's a brexit spool up the economy falsity

 

FInal reminder does sound like a 'ooh act now please', bit heavy handed, unless like you say they are going to let you be. I wonder if when it comes to part ex if it's not been done, if it holds against it. In theory nothing stopping the buying dealer/person getting it done, so it should not be an issue.

London's Lord Mayor has the power to fix the urban air quality by phasing out diesel busses and taxis surely.

Why is this not well on the way already.

3 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

London's Lord Mayor has the power to fix the urban air quality by phasing out diesel busses and taxis surely.

Why is this not well on the way already.

Cost. 

 

Renewables have been tried, as has gas. Too expensive. 

 

And electric is no good for a bus which typically stops for only a handful of hours each day. 

16 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

Cost. 

 

Renewables have been tried, as has gas. Too expensive. 

 

And electric is no good for a bus which typically stops for only a handful of hours each day. 

Is that the argument they give the children's hospital doctors?.

perhaps they could fairly easily quantify a life .

Man plans on colonising Mars but can't fund urban air quality........strange priorities 

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Big deal

http://www.thecarconnection.com/news/1109949_diesel-deathwatch-uk-to-offer-owners-2000-to-scrap-their-diesels#src=10065

Insiders suggest that.....  Who are these insiders?

Organizers are dreaming bigger...... Again who are these organisers?

And some have suggested..... Yes getting a bit predictable I know

Signs point to yes.... which signs?

A recent survey of 20,000 U.K. drivers ..... maybe quote the actual source.

 

Now, everything in that article might turn out to be spot on, but it appears to be an American writing about the UK without a single piece of evidence or quoted source so we'll have to wait and see. Just seems like sloppy journalism -  not really journalism at all. 

 

The only thing that can be said about the future of diesel is that it is uncertain 

The only thing that can be said about the future is that it is uncertain.