PM statement at Number 10

[gadgetman]

17 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

 

SWMBO gets this wrong too!

 

A "Home" goal is a good one.

 

An "Own" goal isn't.

Depends where you are from. Both can be correct

[trundlenut]

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/the-book-of-jeremy-corbyn?mbid=social_twitter

 

[Laurie61]

And it came to pass, in the land of Britain, that the High Priestess went unto the people and said, Behold, I bring ye tidings of great joy. For on the eighth day of the sixth month there shall be a general election.

 

And the people said, Not another one.

 

And they waxed wroth against the High Priestess and said, Didst thou not sware, even unto seven times, that thou wouldst not call a snap election?

 

And the High Priestess said, I know, I know. But Brexit is come upon us, and I must go into battle against the tribes of France, Germany, and sundry other holiday destinations. And I must put on the armor of a strong majority in the people’s house. Therefore go ye out and vote.

 

And there came from the temple pollsters, who said, Surely this woman will flourish. For her enemy is as grass; she cutteth him down. He is as straw in the wind, and he will blow away. And the trumpet of her triumph shall sound in all the land.

 

And the High Priestess said, Piece of cake.

 

And there came from the same country a prophet, whose name was Jeremy. His beard was as the pelt of beasts, and his raiments were not of the finest. And he cried aloud in the wilderness and said, Behold, I bring you hope.

 

And suddenly there was with him a host of young people. And he said unto them, Ye shall study and grow wise in all things, and I shall not ask ye for gold. And the sick shall be made well, and they also will heal freely. And he promised unto them all manner of goodly things.

 

And the young people said unto him, How shall these things be rendered, seeing that thou hast no money in thy purse?

 

And he spake unto them in a voice of sounding brass and said, Soak the rich. And again, Pull down the mighty from their seats.

 

And the young people went absolutely nuts.

 

And they hearkened unto the word of Jeremy, and believed. For they said unto themselves, Lo, he bringeth unto us the desire of our hearts. He cometh by bicycle, with a helmet upon his head. And he eateth neither flesh nor fowl, according to the Scriptures. For man cannot live by bread alone, but hummus is quite another matter.

 

And the High Priestess saw all these things and was sore. And she gathered unto her the chief scribes and the Pharisees and said unto them, What the hell is going on?

 

And they said unto her, It is a blip, as if it were a rough place upon the road.

But they said unto themselves, When the government was upon her shoulders, this woman was mighty. But now that she has gone abroad unto every corner of the land, she stumbleth. For surely it is written that ruling and campaigning are as oil and water, and there shall be no concord betwixt them.

 

And the chief scribes wrote upon tablets, saying, Jeremy is false of tongue. He hideth wickedness in his heart. And his sums do not add up.

 

And nobody paid any attention.

 

And the elders rose up and said to the young people, If ye choose Jeremy, he will bring distress in your toils and wailing upon your streets. Do ye not remember the nineteen-seventies?

 

And the young people said, The what?

 

And the elders spake again, and said to the young people, Beware, for he gave succor in days of yore to the I.R.A.

 

And the young people said, The what?

 

And the young people said, Jeremy shall bring peace unto all nations, for he hateth the engines of war that take wing across the heavens. And he showeth respect for all peoples, even unto the transgender community.

 

And the elders said, The what?

 

And it came to pass that the heathen of this land came among the people, with fire and sword, and slew many among the faithful. And great was the lamentation.

 

And the High Priestess waxed exceeding wroth and said to the people, Fear not. For I shall bind your wounds and give ye shelter from the heathen, and shall take up the sword against them.

 

And there came again pollsters from the temple, who said, Will the people not vote for her in this hour of need?

 

And nobody paid any attention.

 

And it came to the vote.

 

And the elders went up to vote, and the young people. And the young people were as a multitude. And in the hours of darkness there was much counting. And the young people watched by night, and the elders went to bed.

 

And there came in the morning news that the High Priestess had vanquished the prophet Jeremy. But the triumph of the High Priestess was as the width of a nail. And she was vexed.

 

And the elders and the chief scribes and the Pharisees spoke among themselves, yea, even in the corners of their houses.

 

And there was great rejoicing amidst the multitude of the young. And they took strong wine, and did feast among themselves. And there were twelve baskets left over.

 

And of the pollsters there was no sign.

 

And the people saw Jeremy and said, Surely this man has won? Doth he not skip in gladness like a young hart upon the hills?

 

And there was great murmuring among the elders. And they said unto themselves, Weep not. For the High Priestess doth but prepare the way. Cometh there not one who is greater than she?

 

And they said, Behold, for the hour of the redeemer is upon us. And his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Prince of Peace. And they cried in one voice, Boris.

 

And the young people said, Oh, ****.

 

And the people gave tongue, and made supplication unto the Lord, saying, Lord, let our cry come unto thee.

 

And the Lord thought the whole thing was absolutely hilarious.

 

And then the people said, Lord, what shall we do regarding Brexit? For henceforth the High Priestess shall be as weak as a newborn lamb. How shall we hope for continued access to the single market?

 

And the Lord said, The what?

[@Lee]

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/election-dup-brexit-donations-saudi-arabia-tale-tories-theresa-may-a7782681.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[@Lee]

Just now, Laurie61 said:

And it came to pass, in the land of Britain, that the High Priestess went unto the people and said, Behold, I bring ye tidings of great joy. For on the eighth

That's what Trundlenuts link linked to.

[Laurie61]

oops, did not spot his link. Great piece though.  

[lol-lol]

PM's deal with DUP may have a couple of potential issues in the cunning plan .....

 

 

1)  Ruth Davidson reveals gay rights fears over Theresa May deal with the DUP

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ruth-davidson-reveals-gay-rights-fears-over-theresa-may-deal-with-the-dup-a3561796.html

 

Ms Davidson, who became engaged to partner Jen Wilson in May 2016, later told the BBC: "I was fairly straightforward with her (Mrs May) and I told her that there were a number of things that count to me more than the party.  "One of them is country, one of the others is LGBTI rights.   "I asked for a categoric assurance that if any deal or scoping deal was done with the DUP there would be absolutely no rescission of LGBTI rights in the rest of the UK, in Great Britain, and that we would use any influence that we had to advance LGBTI rights in Northern Ireland

 

 

2)Theresa May to enter into 'confidence and supply' arrangement with the Democratic Unionists

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-conservative-dup-confidence-and-supply-coalition-formal-cabinet-positions-northern-irish-a7783741.html

 

The Conservatives will be supported in parliament by the right-wing Democratic Unionist Party on the basis of an agreement known as "confidence and supply", stopping short of the full coalition government that had been rumoured.   Theresa May said on Friday morning that she would seek to form a government with the assistance of the DUP, hours after losing her party's majority in the general election.    Government Chief Whip Gavin Williamson has been in Belfast on Saturday to open discussions with the DUP on "how best they can provide support" for the Tories, according to a Number 10 source......... The party, which is deeply informed by Protestant religious views, has prevented the legalisation of same-sex marriage in Northern Ireland.  A coalition deal would have threatened to undermine the Good Friday agreement, the centre piece of the Northern Ireland peace process.  Under the terms of the agreement, Unionists and Republicans are supposed to share power, with the Westminster government acting as a broker, and can step in if relations  between the two groups, Sinn Fein and the Democratic Unionist Party, break down.  If the DUP were themselves part of the government, the neutral role of the UK government would be compromised.  

Edited 10 June, 2017 by lol-lol

[skomaz]

Well look on the positive side...

The SNP lost big

UKIP got no seats

The lib Dems got seats

And no one got overall control

 

Good result all round...???!!!

[@Lee]

1 hour ago, skomaz said:

Well look on the positive side...

The SNP lost big

UKIP got no seats

The lib Dems got seats

And no one got overall control

 

Good result all round...???!!!

You didn't mention that the tories didn't get a majority and there's a hung parliament or the fact they've done a deal with DUP therefore, in essence, tearing up the Good Friday Agrrement let alone the fact that her attempt at a coronation has left her in a weaker position to deal with the Brexit elephant in the room.

[lol-lol]

8 hours ago, skomaz said:

Well look on the positive side...

The SNP lost big

UKIP got no seats

The lib Dems got seats

And no one got overall control

Good result all round...???!!!

 

Some great photos and videos though.........(weird photo)

 

 

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg-loses-seat-hallam-10588948 

 

 

And one form 2010 and probably why he lost his seat.....

Edited 11 June, 2017 by lol-lol

[lol-lol]

6 hours ago, Lee01 said:

You didn't mention that the tories didn't get a majority and there's a hung parliament or the fact they've done a deal with DUP therefore, in essence, tearing up the Good Friday Agrrement let alone the fact that her attempt at a coronation has left her in a weaker position to deal with the Brexit elephant in the room.

 

And since "progress" on a deal with the 6 counties/26 counties Ireland issue is one of the 3 pillars, the others being the quantification of the outstanding debt the UK has with the outstanding UK debt to the EU and the outlook for EU citizens in the UK/EU, a Con deal with the DUP further complicates sorting the BREXIT out potentially pushing out the timing of getting working on any trade deal that might be possible.

 

FTA normally take 4 to 9 years.   

 

http://news.sky.com/story/how-long-until-britain-leaves-the-eu-live-countdown-10817397

Edited 11 June, 2017 by lol-lol

[@Lee]

Some good news at last. The orange man-child doesn't want to come until we like him

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=twt_gu

[Aspman]

15 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Some good news at last. The orange man-child doesn't want to come until we like him

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/11/donald-trump-state-visit-to-britain-put-on-hold?CMP=twt_gu

 

Might be quite a wait on that one.

 

Mind you TM will just invite him to some shed in Shropshire with a small crowd of orderly acolytes.  The Ginger Don will think everyone loves him and go home happy and the rest of the nation won't even know he's been.

[skomaz]

14 hours ago, Lee01 said:

You didn't mention that the tories didn't get a majority and there's a hung parliament or the fact they've done a deal with DUP therefore, in essence, tearing up the Good Friday Agrrement let alone the fact that her attempt at a coronation has left her in a weaker position to deal with the Brexit elephant in the room.

 

err,,   read the post - I said No-one got overall control...  since when is that not a hung parliament???

[skomaz]

I guess what I find strange is Jeremy Corbyn, despite getting fewer votes and less seats still thinks he should be PM...   does he not understand the vote that has just taken place??  Or is he like the SNP and anti-brexit lot tat want to keep asking until they get a result they like?

[Aspman]

12 minutes ago, skomaz said:

I guess what I find strange is Jeremy Corbyn, despite getting fewer votes and less seats still thinks he should be PM...   does he not understand the vote that has just taken place??  Or is he like the SNP and anti-brexit lot tat want to keep asking until they get a result they like?

 

If TM fails to put together a workable coalition then JC is entitled to try to make his own coalition. If he can put together enough bodies to be bigger than the tories then he could get in as a rainbow coalition. But TM has first dibs and if she can do something with the DUP that'll settle it.

 

For a while anyway.I think if there is another vote anytime soon JC will get in, although I'd guess as a coalition as well but with the greens and SNP. 

[KenONeill]

52 minutes ago, Aspman said:

 

If TM fails to put together a workable coalition then JC is entitled to try to make his own coalition. If he can put together enough bodies to be bigger than the tories then he could get in as a rainbow coalition. But TM has first dibs and if she can do something with the DUP that'll settle it.

 

For a while anyway.I think if there is another vote anytime soon JC will get in, although I'd guess as a coalition as well but with the greens and SNP. 

... and indeed the Lemmingcrats.

[@Lee]

lol

[@Lee]

It's all going a bit Pete Tong for the tories really.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-democratic-unionist-party-pact-coalition-confidence-and-supply-deal-agreement-gavin-a7784136.html?cmpid=facebook-post

[skomaz]

18 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

It's all going a bit Pete Tong for the tories really.

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-democratic-unionist-party-pact-coalition-confidence-and-supply-deal-agreement-gavin-a7784136.html?cmpid=facebook-post

 

That's because the DUP cannot be seen to be 'negotiating' on a Sunday...   it's nothing new if you are familiar with the politics and religious ways of Northern Ireland.

[skomaz]

1 hour ago, Aspman said:

 

If TM fails to put together a workable coalition then JC is entitled to try to make his own coalition. If he can put together enough bodies to be bigger than the tories then he could get in as a rainbow coalition. But TM has first dibs and if she can do something with the DUP that'll settle it.

 

 

Exactly - whichever way you cut it, the result means that she has first shout at it.

[@Lee]

53 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

That's because the DUP cannot be seen to be 'negotiating' on a Sunday...   it's nothing new if you are familiar with the politics and religious ways of Northern Ireland.

I am. Thanks for your, as usual, insightful input.

The point is she went to the Queen to say she was forming a Government before she was able to form a majority, possibly even telling HM porkies about having done a deal  before one had been done.

 

And this;

"In a night of farce, No 10 first announced that an agreement had been reached – only to release a second statement, just five hours later, admitting it had not."

[Aspman]

48 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

I am. Thanks for your, as usual, insightful input.

The point is she went to the Queen to say she was forming a Government before she was able to form a majority, possibly even telling HM porkies about having done a deal  before one had been done.

 

And this;

"In a night of farce, No 10 first announced that an agreement had been reached – only to release a second statement, just five hours later, admitting it had not."

 

I think Theresa is starting to learn that right now she can't snap her fingers to get what she wants. I think she has a little echo chamber around her of yes-men and no one is going to stand up and say "no you can't" "we can't do that" "it depends on..."

[@Lee]

4 minutes ago, Aspman said:

 

I think Theresa is starting to learn that right now she can't snap her fingers to get what she wants. I think she has a little echo chamber around her of yes-men and no one is going to stand up and say "no you can't" "we can't do that" "it depends on..."

I wouldn't be surprised if she's gone within six weeks.

[skomaz]

1 hour ago, Lee01 said:

I am. Thanks for your, as usual, insightful input.

 

Now now - no need to be narky!