PM statement at Number 10

[skomaz]

28 minutes ago, trundlenut said:

Yes,  we voted for Brexit, on the basis we would be no worse off and should be better off. Hands up those who would happily accept less job security,  lower wages, worse health care and education all just to be out of the EU? 

 

People voted the way they did for a whole load of reasons, not necessarily just how well off we might be in the future.  As I said above - something needs to change and the rhetoric is reinforcing that view for me at the moment.

 

But each to their own - you may feel differently.

[trundlenut]

6 minutes ago, skomaz said:

 

Errrmmm...   I think you'll find they are doing it because the majority of those who voted asked them to do it...   as I've tried to point out above - that is democracy!

We were asked to vote on either staying in the EU or doing something else. Something else is now going to be something very specific, which is apparently exactly what people voted for.

 

However we are not allowed to know what it is and won't until after it has been agreed, and that includes Parliament. 

[Ootohere]

There were posts about the Local Council Elections & poor turnouts.

The Full Council Election results are published for Scotland now.

Overall turnout was 46.9%, so higher than the 39.6% in 2012

(this time 16 & 17 years old's could vote.)

 

SNP won 32% of the first preference votes, Conservatives 25% & Labour 20%.

[gadgetman]

4 hours ago, skomaz said:

 

People voted the way they did for a whole load of reasons, not necessarily just how well off we might be in the future.  As I said above - something needs to change and the rhetoric is reinforcing that view for me at the moment.

 

But each to their own - you may feel differently.

The main selling point was being no worse off, in fact being better off because there'd be no meddling EU to hold us back. 

 

The majority of over 70 age group voting for brexit did so because of the extra NHS money claim apparently. 

 

The lie which was debunked several times and was only admitted to being untrue by key leavers like Boris once the polls closed. 

 

But as above, in reality no one knows exactly what they voted for or the true impact of making that decision. And no other EU members will vote to leave until they see how we come out the other side. Even UKIP MEPs are suddenly retiring 

[Ootohere]

?

Which UKIP MEP are retiring before the end of their term?

[trundlenut]

1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

The main selling point was being no worse off, in fact being better off because there'd be no meddling EU to hold us back. 

 

The majority of over 70 age group voting for brexit did so because of the extra NHS money claim apparently. 

 

The lie which was debunked several times and was only admitted to being untrue by key leavers like Boris once the polls closed. 

 

But as above, in reality no one knows exactly what they voted for or the true impact of making that decision. And no other EU members will vote to leave until they see how we come out the other side. Even UKIP MEPs are suddenly retiring 

Actually Boris is still tying himself in knots trying to say the 350 million is correct.

[@Lee]

42 minutes ago, trundlenut said:

Actually Boris is still tying himself in knots trying to say the 350 million is correct.

Him and Abbot should go on Countdown. The numbers game would be interesting.

[gadgetman]

2 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

?

Which UKIP MEP are retiring before the end of their term?

Retiring, leaving the party, deciding against standing. 

 

They're dropping like flies 

[Ootohere]

 

Which UKIP MEP are suddenly retiring before the end of their term?

  Who are they, not standing for what, Elections for MEP's, so a simple question, which UKIP MP's are retiring before their term as a MEP?

http://ukip.org/people_meps 

Fake news is an issue, even when started on forums.   Names please of UKIP MEP's that have announced they are retiring?

The source of this story would be good.

 

Resigning their seat before standing in the UK General Elections on June 8th 2017 would be nice, 

and the same with MSP's from any party in Scotland might show they are not hedging their bets.

Edited 8 May, 2017 by Awayoffski

[@Lee]

Controlled press announcements/ meetings and media blackouts?

This is NOT a democratic country.

http://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/a-c-grayling-brexit-is-starting-to-look-a-lot-like-a-coup/?nl_ref=37235846

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/09/channel-4s-michael-crick-tears-into-the-media-for-letting-theresa-may-behave-like-a-dictator/

[moley]

11 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

This is NOT a democratic country.

This is a democratic country! On June 8th you can vote for any of the candidates standing in your constituency. 

 

If you're looking for something undemocratic look to the Labour party. In my constituency of Surrey South West three Labour party members have been expelled from the party for supporting the National Health Action candidate in a bid to oust the sitting MP Jeremy Hunt. One of the Labour members to be expelled is Steve Williams a party member for 46 years and stood as the Labour candidate in 1983. On average the Tories get 30,000 votes, Liberals 17,000, Labour 4,000, so trying to focus on one candidate to win the seat makes sense.

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-2017-39854942

Jeremy Corbyn aka Joe Stalin?

 

 

[@Lee]

2 minutes ago, moley said:

Jeremy Corbyn aka Joe Stalin?

 

 

Quite possibly. I'm no fan of his at all.

[SkodaVRS1963]

On 08/05/2017 at 06:24, Lee01 said:

An election that was won on lies is not democratic.

 

Behave yourself.

 

There has never been a UK Government elected that hasn't been so on the back of lies.

 

Politicians lie; we know and expect that.

 

If you want to change the system then you raze Parliament to the ground and start afresh.

[@Lee]

2 minutes ago, SkodaVRS1963 said:

 

Behave yourself.

 

There has never been a UK Government elected that hasn't been so on the back of lies.

 

Politicians lie; we know and expect that.

 

If you want to change the system then you raze Parliament to the ground and start afresh.

I guess you've never heard of Cambridge Analytica then, have you?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

 

[SkodaVRS1963]

9 minutes ago, moley said:

This is a democratic country! On June 8th you can vote for any of the candidates standing in your constituency.

One of the (very few) virtues of getting older is that with age (usually) comes wisdom.

 

At 18, the wide-eyed and impressionable youth, clutching his or her voting card for the first time, naively believes that putting a cross against a faceless name once every five years will change things for the better.  They're making a difference, you see.

 

However, as one slowly graduates through the University Of Life, collecting the inevitable knockbacks that such an arduous journey entails, it eventually dawns that it doesn't matter how loudly you shout, how frantically you wave your arms about, how many protest marches you attend or how many letters of disgust you write to the Times newspaper, the capability to change things is actually zero.

 

Assuming a vote at 18 and then one every five years hence, your average Joe probably gets 12 or 13 chances in his or her lifetime to "make a difference".

 

The UK electoral system is structured precisely to prevent the man or woman in the street from being able to change things.

 

Example: I stand in my local consituency, having stumped up the £500 deposit for the privilege.

 

If I don't poll more than 5% of the votes cast then my £500 is forfeited.......no-one knows where it goes but it disappears as sure
as eggs is eggs.

 

No matter, I know everyone is going to vote for me because my policies are brilliant.

 

And I'm duly elected by a landslide.  Everyone loves me, I'm carried around the constituency on the shoulders of fat, smiling, bald-headed young males and I'm being hailed as the new Messiah.

 

Tell me ***exactly*** what weight I carry in the House of Commons.

 

Your problem is people view elections as popularity contests based on what's happening at a national level.

 

Or, they have an ingrained "I've always voted Labour/Tory" mindset.

 

Here's a thought - when the sweaty masses pitch up to vote, they're asked to name three policies that their *local* candidate is advocating.

 

Can't name them?  Hard luck, no vote for you.  After all, your local candidate might be planning to bulldoze the entire
constituency.........ahhhh, but it's ok, you've always voted Labour/Tory so that's fine.

 

I reckon you'd have about a dozen people nationwide qualified to vote.

Edited 9 May, 2017 by SkodaVRS1963

[SkodaVRS1963]

Just now, Lee01 said:

I guess you've never heard of Cambridge Analytica then, have you?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy

 

Oh dear, you don't read the Guardian do you?

[@Lee]

28 minutes ago, SkodaVRS1963 said:

Oh dear, you don't read the Guardian do you?

Pray tell, oh wise one. What are your news sources then? Bloke down the pub? Torygaff? Daily Heil. Westmonster? Or a little more left leaning such as, ohhhhh I dunno? Britain First's FB page?

[Ootohere]

Ed Davey was on the telly today and i see he is trying to get re-elected to Westminster to get back on that gravy train.

He is one that i hope people are not silly enough to vote for.

http://powerbase.info/index.php/Ed_Davey 

[moley]

A Labour MP who understands the situation his party is in.

Watson warns of 'Thatcher-style landslide'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-39905552

[Ootohere]

Tom & Jerry are the reason this will happen.

Tom Watson should maybe not stand for Westminster in the General Election, leave the Labour Party and join something else, 

maybe get a Job, become as  Union Rep or Leader and he will be as well off as he is now.

Edited 13 May, 2017 by Awayoffski

[moley]

14 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Tom & Jerry are the reason this will happen.

Tom Watson should maybe not stand for Westminster in the General Election, leave the Labour Party and join something else, 

maybe get a Job, become as  Union Rep or Leader and he will be as well off as he is now.

I can see the Labour party splitting after the 9th of June when they wake up to the election result. Hopefully the ones with any common sense will set up a party more to the centre ground similar to what Macron has done in France. The Socialist vote in France of Hollande's party almost disappeared and there was a shift to the centre or the right. Corbyn's Labour are living in the '70's and the world has moved on since then.

[Ootohere]

A 'Socialist Labour Party' and a 'Greedy in it for all you can get Labour Party' might be the way to go.

The thing is with that is almost all of those standing for election and Labour Peers will qualify to be in both parties.

Career Politicians who seem to care more about their jobs and income than any constituents or hard working individuals living standards.

[Clunkclick]

Altogether in Calypso time and pentameter,

 

"Linton, Linton, by the sea, given to us by the BBC,

Painted our battlebus a  peculiar hue,

Seemed to forget what Conservatives do !"

 

N

 

Edited 13 May, 2017 by Clunkclick

[SkodaVRS1963]

4 hours ago, moley said:

 Corbyn's Labour are living in the '70's and the world has moved on since then.

 

Ssshh, you'll trigger the snowflakes here.  Particularly one who seems to spend his entire waking life here.

 

But you're right, they are; but all that will happen is they'll elect a new leader, re-brand themselves as Bliar did (we're New Labour, not Labour) and then have another go.

 

The irresponsibility of the Left always has been, and always will be, to leave someone else with a pile of **** to clear up.

 

If the Labour party want it then it's bad for the rest of us.

 

That is nearly a law of nature.

 

The joy with facts are that they cannot be disproven and, knowing what we know now about how Bliar and Brown spectacularly mismanaged the economy (there's a surprise), how prophetic were Thatcher's words back in 1979 when she surveyed the carnage that was Britain after she was elected: "this mess is what happens when you elect a Labour government, in the end they will always run out of other people’s money to spend”.

 

That was 38 years ago and it's as true today as it was then.

 

[@Lee]

Conversely the tories can't be trusted with the NHS, they want to reintroduce Grammar Schools, have cut spending on education so much that schools have asked people to donate toilet roll (I mean, COME ON FFS! Toilet roll?), privatisation has brought us the most expensive and over-crowded and least punctual rail services in my lifetime, soaring energy prices (Labour said they'd cap them a few years ago, The Daily Heil said that was a bad idea, Now the tories pledge to cap them, The Daily Heil says it's a good idea WTF!?) and the only way we van get decent clean leccy is having the Chinese invest in a nuke station,  overcrowded prisons, fewer coppers, an Ambulance service that can't cope etc etc etc. It's almost as if the tories are trying to run this country into the ground. Oh, wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,