What is he on about with 'already working on a solution for a mid cycle refresh.'  Does he mean they will stop using animal skin?   This is a brand new car not yet with new customers. Maybe Thomas has been  Sniffing too many leatherette seats.    ? Which electric cars do not have the batteries set low giving a low centre of gravity? 

Edited 18 February, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-launch-entry-level-id-electric-car-after-2025

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/seat-lead-development-volkswagen-groups-compact-evs

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/356179/citroen-has-shaken-electric-car-market-no-brand

 

5 hours ago, vrskeith said:

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/citroen/356179/citroen-has-shaken-electric-car-market-no-brand

 

 

Something that only does 28 mph, is that properly classified as a car.

Car is a broad word, derived from the Latin "Carrus", wheeled vehicle I gather.

28 mph is the speed Bolt runs at.

 

 A bit like the Velosolex bike in France in 4 wheel form........

 

This is not a car, this is an electric quadricycle (source various including Citroen, French law).

Its a VSP in France - Voiture Sans Permis, no driving license needed, can be driven by 14 year olds, those that cannot pass a driving test or those who have been banned from driving.

 

As such the things that are desired and the article suggests will happen like exceeding 45km/h or having 3 seats just aint gonna happen, the legislation states maximum 6kw and 2 seats.

 

What would it be registered as in the UK and what are the restrictions there for that class of vehicle? Could it even be registered? We can register quad bikes here, you can't in the UK.

Edited 5 October, 20214 yr by J.R.

I was just checking my driving license yesterday to see the expiry dates / classes and when points are due to come off.

 

Due to my disability my Motor Cycle entitlement has been limited to a Tricycle. 

Also there is the Quad Class.  

Maybe in another few years that will be all i do ride / drive. 

 

Hopefully there will be more proper EV's that are Smart Car or Toyota iQ cars around. 

An iQ EV would be rather good IMO. 

 

Car / bigger vehicle Restrictions is Automatics.

 

Edited 6 October, 20214 yr by e-Roottoot

How about one of these George...

 

This is not a car! | Microlino - microlino-car.com

I had a bubble car when i was 15 year old. 

Never again. 

2 minutes ago, e-Roottoot said:

I had a bubble car when i was 15 year old. 

Never again. 

 

I didn't but my dad did have a BMW Isetta - the one with twin rear wheels in blue and white - so the Microlino appeals in a nostaligic way...

I loved my IQ, but the tailgating was unreal and i was going to end up having a heart attack.

The thing was that on twisty roads those that had been sitting up your jacksy when getting along at the speed limit could usually not stay with you. 

In towns or at junctions etc just an amazing turning circle. 

 

140 miles maybe because you do not empty batteries,

so a tail wind, tyre pressures up, not fully loaded etc etc, so ideal conditions, not cold weather.

 

As a van for town / city delivers or pottering about it will be pretty good. 

Strip the rear out, or just folded flat. 

 

186 miles from a 44 kWh usable battery would require 4.2 miles a kWh.

3.4 times 44 = 149.6.

 

1.2 turbo, mild hybrid, manual or auto makes sense.  A replacement for a Yeti maybe @ a good price.  (Cheap soon as a used car...)

 

 

 

Edited 5 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

On 05/12/2024 at 15:36, Ootohere said:

140 miles maybe because you do not empty batteries,

so a tail wind, tyre pressures up, not fully loaded etc etc, so ideal conditions, not cold weather.

 

As a van for town / city delivers or pottering about it will be pretty good. 

Strip the rear out, or just folded flat. 

 

186 miles from a 44 kWh usable battery would require 4.2 miles a kWh.

3.4 times 44 = 149.6.

 

1.2 turbo, mild hybrid, manual or auto makes sense.  A replacement for a Yeti maybe @ a good price.  (Cheap soon as a used car...)

 

 

 

 

Might be interesting to have a thread on EVs with a monthly cost of less than £300 a month.

 

My Riviera Zoe was £34k RRP but take off the massive dealer discounts and other financial help, cheapish finance etc and a car with a relatively high RRP can come out with quite low monthly payment. My Zoe is less than £300 a month, I have to pay the servicing,£99, and have bought two front tyres, £130 for a pair so cheapish motoring without a need for public charging with its range.

 

There are going to be lots of BEV,s available at lower amounts to rent as the Manufacturers get desperate to get them not just first registered but with drivers.

 

Motability are very much trying to help by very low or nil advance payments.

Trying to persuade those on the scheme that smaller battery / range EV,s can work.

From January 3rd 2025 there is no longer the £750 towards ordering and paying for a new car. This might have more go for the Nil Advance payment option. 

Edited 6 December, 20241 yr by Ootohere

 

 

10 hours ago, Ootohere said:

 

 

 

Saw this video. I thought all 3 were quite compromised. Real range well under 200 miles and reliability of the SAIC MG quite worrying.

 

Maybe choose the Dolphin, get rid of those shocking Chinese tyres.

 

BYD, oddly, seems tge better of the 3 firms IMO which is sad when Stellantis cover so many European and US brands. My company, CEVA -CMA, are acquiring BYD vehicles and I hope they have done their homework.

 

The Countervailing duty on BYD and MG SAIC is huge in the EU but Al least for now not being applied in the UK but perhaps only a matter of time before they get thousands added to their import taxes. Renault for one might be happier for fairer completion but their Dacia Spring would get wacked as it is Chinese.

 

Out of those 3, the BYD Dolphin interests me the most as local runabout. The MG4 is more of a family car size for different purpose. I'm not sure, do people cross shop between likes of Golf and Polo?

 

This late in the game, I think all EV's should have V2L at very least. Even the super cheap Dacia Spring has V2L. The eC3 is a let down on this regard.

Renault 5 would be my pick for V2H and local runabout, and best of all it's extremely compact, saves driveway space.

30 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Out of those 3, the BYD Dolphin interests me the most as local runabout. The MG4 is more of a family car size for different purpose. I'm not sure, do people cross shop between likes of Golf and Polo?

 

This late in the game, I think all EV's should have V2L at very least. Even the super cheap Dacia Spring has V2L. The eC3 is a let down on this regard.

Renault 5 would be my pick for V2H and local runabout, and best of all it's extremely compact, saves driveway space.

 

The BYD RRP is quite high but 49 months of 0% finance quite a deal.

 

I think it will go for the Renault 4 rather than the 5.

Much more room and I expect for roughly the same money. Hopefully they will give me some trade in on the Zoe. Whilst the Zoe was about £5k underwater in value it has been bouncing back quite a bit. Zoe has been so good with its range getting close to 5 miles per kwh. Probably get the LFP battery R4 which whilst having less range would siut V2L, V2G more than the pure lithium 52 kwh higher spec model.  Looking forward to those launches next year.

 

I don't understand this 4 vs 5 thing. Why is the smaller number launching later but physically bigger? I'd thought R5 is closer in size for Zoe? 

 

Haven't seen much info on the R4 supportin V2G. We also need the charge points to be made available. But either way, there's 2+ years before I will make any changes, wait for they become second hand and new V2G chargers to be more wide spread. No point buying brand new EV since 2023.