@lol-lol Terrible really with the DS, and that is in ECO.

They are much more suited to country roads and in B so getting recuperation. Or in towns.

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 June, 20205 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-fiat-500e-hatchback-electric-city-car-cost-£26995

 

Yet another overpriced compliance car.

6 minutes ago, Luckypants said:

Yet another overpriced compliance car.

When assessing whether a car is good value I use a sliding rule as follows.

£10,000 new should have 100bhp.

£20,000 new should have 200bhp.

£30,000 new should have 300bhp.

£40,000 new should have 400bhp.

Most EV's fail this test miserably.

Mini EV not bad for basic 1 version 181bhp is £24,400. Version 3 however over £30,000.

Edited 8 June, 20205 yr by shyVRS245
MISSING WORD

^^^ 

Hardly relevant if you are looking at not paying to buy Petrol or Diesel, get free electric charging and parking and a break with HMRC on taxes.

& you might already have a ICE vehicle that meets your criteria. 

 

@shyVRS245

Did £30,000 new get you a 300bhp car with a full manufacturers warranty,

or did you go used and remap and void the warranty?

Edited 8 June, 20205 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

2 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

^^^ 

Hardly relevant if you are looking at not paying to buy Petrol or Diesel, get free electric charging and parking and a break with HMRC on taxes.

& you might already have a ICE vehicle that meets your criteria. 

Corsa SE Nav EV 136PS £30,665.

@shyVRS245   Yes, and a Elite Nav is even more. 

But then i will pay £945 advance payment, no charging for electric & £62.25 a week, no insurance, no servicing and hand it back in 3 years.

& still have a car that has over 300 bhp and cost under £20,000 but £40,000 plus new.

5 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

^^^ 

Hardly relevant if you are looking at not paying to buy Petrol or Diesel, get free electric charging and parking and a break with HMRC on taxes.

& you might already have a ICE vehicle that meets your criteria. 

 

@shyVRS245

Did £30,000 new get you a 300bhp car with a full manufacturers warranty,

or did you go used and remap and void the warranty?

Yes Octavia Vrs245 with 4 options new in August 2017 was £28,100 plus £500 remap ended up with 302bhp for £28,600 and who gives a rats arse about warranties when your car is reliable that's why I've bought Skoda's new and used for the last 15 years, simply clever.

1 minute ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@shyVRS245   Yes, and a Elite Nav is even more. 

But then i will pay £945 advance payment, no charging for electric & £62.25 a week, no insurance, no servicing and hand it back in 3 years.

& still have a car that has over 300 bhp and cost under £20,000 but £40,000 plus new.

I don't think I want a motorbike accident to qualify for a Mobility discount thank you.

@shyVRS245   Get on your bike and stop going back in time and who can pee the highest.

You have a Skoda Superb now.  

You posted what you should get when assessing what is getting good value then it went all strange....

 

PS

Trouble is that you do not think or check.

Losing a leg might not get you PIP.

No idea what a Mobility or a Motability Discount is, as there is no such thing. 

 

There is a Charity that buys cars and which you can lease if you qualify.   

 'Some manufacturers used to offer discounts to disabled that did not get Mobility allowance or PIP but could qualify in the old days for an Orange Badge, then Blue Badges when they came in.

Edited 8 June, 20205 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

17 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Yes Octavia Vrs245 with 4 options new in August 2017 was £28,100 plus £500 remap ended up with 302bhp for £28,600 and who gives a rats arse about warranties when your car is reliable that's why I've bought Skoda's new and used for the last 15 years, simply clever.

 

On 07/06/2020 at 13:24, richardwheat200 said:

Sods law isn’t it.
My 245 is going back this week and it was due the 2nd service but I’ve been unable to book in. Then ŠKODA told me it’s fine they’ll take the car back without its 2nd service.

This morning the bloody low coolant warning light has come on. It is indeed low. What to do now I have no idea!

 

3 hours ago, StealthRS245 said:

Very common fault, and rather expensive in labour costs if the car is out of warranty.  Can't believe there hasn't been a recall for it yet.

 

I realise this is all OT but just pointing out that sometimes, with the best will in the world, things can, will or do happen!

9 minutes ago, john999boy said:

 

 

 

I realise this is all OT but just pointing out that sometimes, with the best will in the world, things can, will or do happen!

John I was simply answering George's OT question but next time I will PM him, shy. The only EV I would buy if dragged by my wife to go green would be a TESLA for their superior charging network and decent performance/range despite the quality and styling of their products still being sub-standard and price new is still an issue for most of the UK drivers.

Which cars could come in to the sub £30k bracket if the EV grant is doubled from £3k to £6k ?

 

To me it is more about paying not much more than £400 pm on PCP for a 15k miles per year lease. 

 

Lower running cost would be a factor but less so than some might think when one has a fuel card so on part of the cost is BIK'd. 

 

@shyVRS245  It is not difficult,

if the EV's do not suit your needs and the price new is too much or the price used then people just do not need to get one.

 

If they cost £10,000 more to buy if you do buy, but saves you £10,000 or more over 3 or 4 years of running an EV then some might run an EV.

How many are buying over leasing is a figure that the SMMT might have published somewhere.

 

If leasing and not paying for Petrol / Diesel , parking, congestion charges means you get a vehicle for what you usually spend on buying the liquid fuel & the other stuff then there are those that get an EV, or more than one as many do like taxi, delivery companies and other business's.

1 minute ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

@shyVRS245  It is not difficult,

if the EV's do not suit your needs and the price new is too much or the price used then people just do not need to get one.

 

If they cost £10,000 more to buy if you do buy, but saves you £10,000 or more over 3 or 4 years of running an EV then some might run an EV.

How many are buying over leasing is a figure that the SMMT might have published somewhere.

 

If leasing and not paying for Petrol / Diesel , parking, congestion charges means you get a vehicle for what you usually spend on buying the liquid fuel & the other stuff then there are those that get an EV, or more than one as many do like taxi, delivery companies and other business's.

Range is still the biggest factor holding back EV sales. When they all have a 300+ mile range they will become more popular, simples. Ask 100 people in your local town and I bet 75 mention range anxiety as the main reason they wouldn't buy an EV right now followed by price. The Government Grant simply encourages the manufacturers to increase the price new to an artificially high starting point IMHO.

Kind of obvious that range matters to those that need a vehicle that can do longer distances.

That is not everyone.

Of those that do not need to do long distances or higher annual mileages or have to buy or lease cars and not get assistance with tax breaks then cost matters, 

and charging infrastructure and maybe just not being interested in what they drive, or changing vehicles.

 

As it is many that want EV's can not yet because the supply is not there, or they are waiting on the new models and then ordering when they are out there and proving reliable.

So that will be a few more years possibly with VW Group cars in the £25,000 - £45,000 range.

 

I would not want Bjorn as my driver or even road trip buddy.

 

Pricey, fat cars with no one but the driver in, wide tyres and this is what you get,

fill the seats with people and put stuff in the boot and it can only get worse...

 

Seems only sensible to me to have a bike or e-bike in the car to look around an area while the car charges.

Especially since there is room with only one or even 2 in the car.

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 June, 20205 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

6 hours ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Kind of obvious that range matters to those that need a vehicle that can do longer distances.

That is not everyone.

Of those that do not need to do long distances or higher annual mileages or have to buy or lease cars and not get assistance with tax breaks then cost matters, 

and charging infrastructure and maybe just not being interested in what they drive, or changing vehicles.

 

As it is many that want EV's can not yet because the supply is not there, or they are waiting on the new models and then ordering when they are out there and proving reliable.

So that will be a few more years possibly with VW Group cars in the £25,000 - £45,000 range.

 

I would not want Bjorn as my driver or even road trip buddy.

 

Pricey, fat cars with no one but the driver in, wide tyres and this is what you get,

fill the seats with people and put stuff in the boot and it can only get worse...

 

Seems only sensible to me to have a bike or e-bike in the car to look around an area while the car charges.

Especially since there is room with only one or even 2 in the car.

 

 

 

 

Watched the complete DS3 video and on average he drove 100 miles and then charged for about 30 minutes so six stops and 3 hours waiting to charge. I could do that trip without stopping for fuel.

@shyVRS245

Many can do it without needing fuel and at current prices pay £62 or so to do it.

But if you have time and want to you can take stops and depending on where you are driving pay nothing for electric.

Plenty people enjoy just going on drives and sightseeing.

Even use your saved fuel money and have a nice B&B or D,B&D and the car can charge overnight.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 June, 20205 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Got to remember it's different for everyone, some prefer to sit in a car and make the whole 6+ hours journey without ever stopping (iron bladder!), some prefer taking leasurely breaks. Some think the edge case to do 6+ hr driving without stopping is more important than everyday use case of the vehicle....... 

 

For me, I think a 20min break every 2 hours is about right. Other than that, I personally put running cost, driving pleasure and everyday ease-of-use above unnecessarily range that I'll never use. 

 

 

 

End of the day, one has to remember the reason for 600 miles fossil fuel tank it's more about being limited to refuel at petrol stations, inability to refuel at home. Otherwise why stop at 600 miles? Why fit 45 litre to Octavia when there's space for 60 litre tank to give 1000 miles? Then, why stop there? Why not fit 100 litre tank for even longer drives? Surely going 2 months without refuelling is better than 2 weeks? 

 

Actually, why not take refuelling out of whole equation? To achieve that, we can either have unlimited power source within cars, or get the car to do some refuelling while parked up.........  

Finally watched the 2nd video with the good looking Peugeot 208e (yellow nicer than the red one he was charging next to) and similar issue with 2 hours driving and 30 minute charge, when he could actually find a charger not already being used (twice on the return). Like his presentation skills and remember his motto, take your own home cooked food, sleep in the car overnight and Always Be Charging. Although the cars he borrows cost him nothing apart from electric not sure the customers that will use these vehicles can't afford to stay in a B & B or Hotel with all the money they save not buying easy to access fossil fuel.

 

 

Odd one here. 

He was driving in ECO so with 80ps equivalent or so unless the accelerator is floored so they will feel sedate. or actually dead slow and heavy.

If in Normal  he would have had 110ps eqivalent and 136ps in Sport.

 

 

 

 

Looks like it would be an alternative to a Skoda Enyaq but they have a range that will be too low for many.

 

LOL @ Thomas.

A pillarless car with suicide rear doors and he just goes on about seating materials, space in the back and as for the doors, 

lets carry on as if this is no big deal, move right along..

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 26 June, 20205 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot