https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/corsa/97357/new-2020-vauxhall-corsa-images-leaked-online

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/citigo/99236/all-electric-skoda-citigo-e-iv-revealed-for-2019-with-165-mile-range

 

 

Edited 23 May, 20197 yr by vrskeith

Nice! Now we need the all important price for the 38kWh city car.

Yeah, about that. I've been doing some calculations and the claimed range is still marginal for getting from my place to my Mum's without an enforced wait at a charge point. Saying "but you can get a drink/meal whilst it's charging" rather misses the point that the car is forcing me to stop where/when it needs to rather than allowing me to take a break where/when I want to.

Accept that this maybe doesn't fit the 'EV' topic...  Happy to remove it if you like. I figured I couldn't see being able to afford a full EV with good range until maybe 2023 2nd hand so went for a plugin hybrid.

I've had a BMW 225xe for two weeks now. 2016 model with 13k miles; it seemed the cheapest way I could get a 4x4 (kind of) EV.  I looked at one at BMW Derby that's up now for £19k though it needs new tyres and doesn't have great options.

Electric range is maybe 20 miles tops but that works for most of my journeys. Anything longer and it's a petrol carrying a small-ish battery pack.

It's interestingly good at accelerating, but I'm getting into looking after the battery charge and accelerating and braking more gently. I now have an irrational desire to get solar panels too.

I'd hoped the NVH would be great: the engine noise is quiet on electric and petrol, but I'm not sure it controls road noise on a bad surface at 60 any better than my Octavia 2 did before 😞

The head-up display is funky. I'm still learning what the buttons do.

Edited 27 May, 20197 yr by wonkyewok

 

Price estimated £30k - £35k

Edited 28 May, 20197 yr by vrskeith

 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/seat-mii-reinvented-162-mile-electric-city-car-2020

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-goodwood-festival-speed/new-honda-e-make-first-uk-appearance-goodwood

 

Corsa to rival 50 Kwh Zoe in sub 30k (Euro not even £s) category....

 

June 04, 2019 06:49 AM UPDATED 5 HOURS AGO

Opel prices electric Corsa to compete with Renault Zoe

https://europe.autonews.com/automakers/opel-prices-electric-corsa-compete-renault-zoe

Opel will begin sales of a full-electric version of its Corsa small car in the first half of next year at a starting price of 29,900 euros in Germany.  Opel CEO Michael Lohscheller said customers will not get a "stripped, naked car" for the price, which is roughly identical to the price of the rival Renault Zoe.  The Corsa-e will have a range of 330 km (205 miles) under the Europe's WLTP test cycle and offer a 100-kW electric motor (134 hp) that can accelerate the vehicle from 0 to 100 kph (62 mph) in 8.1 seconds. Its 50-kilowatt-hour battery can be charged by up to 80 percent of its capacity in 30 minutes.  The Corsa-e will be built at Opel's factory in Spain on the same assembly line as all other new-generation Corsas.  Production will start early next year.....

I wonder which platform it's based on?

20 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

I wonder which platform it's based on?

 

New one hopefully as proper EVs  should have a bespoke platform.  We still have a long way to go in properly designing chassis and bodywork.

 

EVs could/should have a different aero shape.  Components do not need to be boxy like most ICE cars as engine does not have to be a half metre cube but flatter allowing much more of a cheese wedge or drop/tadpole shape as most efficient (less than 0.1 Cd).     

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/seat/mii/97427/new-seat-mii-electric-launched-in-oslo

 

Something about the Honda for me.

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-goodwood-festival-speed/new-honda-e-powertrain-details-bmw-i3-rival-revealed

 

 

 

New Zoe top of my list......

https://www.carscoops.com/2019/06/2020-renault-zoe-allegedly-caught-undisguised-looks-familiar-is-all-new/ 

 

Think they mean 250 miles max, actual normal range probably around 160 miles if not driving with any eco sense.......... 

 

As expected, although the silhouette isn’t radically different, a number of changes have been made to the Zoe’s front end to make it appear slightly more aggressive. They consist of new headlights with incorporated LED DRLs, a new lower grille and re-designed front air intakes. All in all, it looks a touch more purposeful than the Zoe we’re familiar with.  Our sources tell us that, despite the minor visual modifications, the new Zoe will undergo a series of significant upgrades beneath the skin. In fact, it will switch to a dedicated EV architecture and may be sold with a battery pack as large as 50 kWh, which should be enough to provide a range of around 295 miles (400 km), and also adopt 100 kW CCS2 fast charging. Other upgrades will be the addition of systems such as Lane Keeping Assist and Active Cruise Control with stop & go capability.

 

Put in CCS and remove battery rental and we'll have a winner with the Zoe

28 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Put in CCS and remove battery rental and we'll have a winner with the Zoe

 

With CCS can one charge with both ac and the DC supply ie 50 or 100 kw DC and 7 kw or even 22 kw ac ?  Whichever available ?

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-renault-zoe-ev-styling-leaked-ahead-official-reveal

Fugly or what.?

15 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

With CCS can one charge with both ac and the DC supply ie 50 or 100 kw DC and 7 kw or even 22 kw ac ?  Whichever available ?

CCS is combined charging system (I think)

 

The top part in Europe is Type 2, charges at 7kW or 11 or 22kW, depending on the car's on-board AC-DC inverter, Type 2 cable plugs in the top part. The lower two thick pins are for DC quick charge, again, depend on the car, can accept 50kW to 175kW DC for 400v batteries, or 350kW for Porsche 800v battery. CCS plug covers the whole port.

 

This CCS standard is the European standard for quick charging. All cars and all chargers will have this. Currently, apart from 50kW everywhere, there are 150kW Ionity and 175kW Fastned station (one each) in UK.

 

7 hours ago, wyx087 said:

CCS is combined charging system (I think)

 

The top part in Europe is Type 2, charges at 7kW or 11 or 22kW, depending on the car's on-board AC-DC inverter, Type 2 cable plugs in the top part. The lower two thick pins are for DC quick charge, again, depend on the car, can accept 50kW to 175kW DC for 400v batteries, or 350kW for Porsche 800v battery. CCS plug covers the whole port.

 

This CCS standard is the European standard for quick charging. All cars and all chargers will have this. Currently, apart from 50kW everywhere, there are 150kW Ionity and 175kW Fastned station (one each) in UK.

 

 

Cheers.

Guessed if was something like this.

Do you reckon 7 kw home chargers will still use the ac rather than the DC then?

30 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Cheers.

Guessed if was something like this.

Do you reckon 7 kw home chargers will still use the ac rather than the DC then?

Big clue - European mains, all the way from 315kv long distance transmissions down to 240v AC use either alternating current or 3 phase. So a DC supply means having a rectifier somewhere. Since your Scalec battery electric car needs DC, then there's already a rectifier (and probably a transformer) in your car.

52 kWh Zoe launched today !

 

Renault has revealed its third-generation Zoe, and while it might look familiar on the outside, there have been extensive technical upgrades. A new 52kWh battery contributes to a range of up to 242 miles on a single charge, despite a new 100kWh motor option that increases performance. The French manufacturer says its engineers worked on the battery cell architecture so that the capacity could be increased without the need for a physically larger battery.

 

It is also offered with the option of fast direct current charging, which can add about 90 miles of range in half an hour.

 

The new, more powerful electric motor is available on GT line models, and offers the equivalent of 133bhp and 245Nm of torque. A new ‘B mode’ driving function has also been fitted, which increases regenerative braking to recharge the battery.  Exterior styling changes are extensive but very subtle – the new Zoe looks very much like the old one. There are bonnet creases, a reshaped bumper, chrome inserts in the grille, and a 3D effect on the Renault log, which also flips open to give access to the charging point.

 

LED headlights, fog lights and rear lights are now fitted as standard, there are three new wheel designs, and three new exterior paint finishes. Inside, the changes are more obvious. There are new soft touch plastics and sustainable materials used throughout a totally redesigned dashboard design. A 10-inch TFT screen in the instrument cluster is a new standard-fit item, while a 9.3-inch touchscreen is fitted to higher trim levels.  Eric Feunteun, director of the electric vehicle program at Renault, said: “New Zoe has a unique advantage: it is the third generation of a vehicle already considered a standard-setter.

 

“We have used our experience in the electric mobility market to modernise all the services and technologies that were already held in high esteem by drivers.”

The Renault Zoe has been on sale for seven years, and in that time 150,000 examples have been registered in Europe, making it the most popular electric vehicle on the continent. In 2018, it accounted for almost one in five EV sales in Europe.

 

 

 

Edited 17 June, 20197 yr by lol-lol

Looking nice.

 

Only thing is 50kW CCS DC charging, seems a bit slow in 2019 with 52kWh battery. 50kW is okay for 24kWh Leaf, reaching 80% in under 30min, but for 2019 car only getting 90 miles in 30min is sub optimum. On the other hand, UK infrastructure is 99% 50kW, so currently it's not a disadvantage.

 

I wonder what speed is the onboard AC charger. Did they keep the 22kW 3-phase or dropped down to industrial average of 7kW single phase to save on costs.

 

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Looking nice.

 

Only thing is 50kW CCS DC charging, seems a bit slow in 2019 with 52kWh battery. 50kW is okay for 24kWh Leaf, reaching 80% in under 30min, but for 2019 car only getting 90 miles in 30min is sub optimum. On the other hand, UK infrastructure is 99% 50kW, so currently it's not a disadvantage.

 

I wonder what speed is the onboard AC charger. Did they keep the 22kW 3-phase or dropped down to industrial average of 7kW single phase to save on costs.

 

 

Think it will do 22 kWh AC.

Also will connect to a 100 kWh and draw at over 50 kwh but that soon drops to below 50 kwh as the heat builds so not a lot of difference.  Filling the last 20% of power still an issue with most if not all lithium ion EVs I gather.  Less so with our lithium metal polyamide I guess.

Edited 18 June, 20197 yr by lol-lol

On 23/05/2019 at 15:47, KenONeill said:

Yeah, about that. I've been doing some calculations and the claimed range is still marginal for getting from my place to my Mum's without an enforced wait at a charge point. Saying "but you can get a drink/meal whilst it's charging" rather misses the point that the car is forcing me to stop where/when it needs to rather than allowing me to take a break where/when I want to.

 

in my experience of 12 months driving an EV I have always had to stop for my needs before the car has required a stop - bladder range has been a greater concern than battery range so far. Having said that I've only ventured as far afield as Belfast, Stafford and Inverness. 

1 minute ago, domhnall said:

 

in my experience of 12 months driving an EV I have always had to stop for my needs before the car has required a stop - bladder range has been a greater concern than battery range so far. Having said that I've only ventured as far afield as Belfast, Stafford and Inverness. 

OK, but if you have to stop at $place1 because charger rather than $place2 a mile further on with better food and coffee?