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vrskeith
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@Roottootemoot - I looked this up in Chambers and the agent noun from "haver" is "haverel".

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      When they're sub £13k, I'll be interested enough to read it.  Never spent more than £13k on a brand new car yet.   Sub 30k is just not relevant to average people in a country where the mean

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      More so want a estate or saloon with better aero and range getting more batteries in the floor plan.

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      65% of Battery capacity used starting with 98%  when charged at home (showed 45% left on car when charger plugged in) Started as showing 180 miles range (35 Miles driven before that went to

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    https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/first-official-pictures/peugeot/208/

     

    Peugeot 208 at the 2019 Geneva motor show, rear view, blue

     

    Would be unfortunate if hard BREXIT with No Deal meant a 10% import tax on the above.   Would make the LEAF more attractive price wise as a English produced car.  

    Something I have to work around with our EVs for London with the car hire scheme cars and their 3 phase charger units which are quite valuable.  Hopefully they might be zero rated for customs duty rather than a few percent.    

     

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    Would be unfortunate if hard BREXIT with No Deal meant a 10% import tax on the above.   Would make the LEAF more attractive price wise as a English produced car.  

    Something I have to work around with our EVs for London with the car hire scheme cars and their 3 phase charger units which are quite valuable.  Hopefully they might be zero rated for customs duty rather than a few percent.    

     

    I wonder how many British components in a Peugeot selling cheap to EU due to very weak £. Having imported raw materials expensively into the UK

    2 hours ago, vrskeith said:

    I wonder how many British components in a Peugeot selling cheap to EU due to very weak £. Having imported raw materials expensively into the UK

     

    In my experience Europen car production, even in the UK as much the market for cars is within the EU, parts are traded in Euros so those UK based part manufacturers, many of them based here in the West Midlands of course, would do OK being paid in Euros for car parts they sell in the EU to car producers or to the remaining UK producers.  The probably is the tariffs, even though typically on 2 or 3%, and all the admin of customs entries out of the UK and in to the EU, which will make them less competitive against European mainland basaed car component manufacturers.

     

    At the same time it looks like BoJo might make components a zero rated item for customs duty so EU based car part manufacturers would be able to get their goods in to the UK with no customs duties.

     

    There are schemes, such as Inward Processing Relief and End Use Relief car producers can use to help them reclaim or partly or fully expunge the cost of import duties but they have to get approved and operate the schemes which can cost tens or even hundreds of thousands of pounds to run. 

     

    We know that the couple of thousands of jobs lost at Honda Swindon will cascade in to many more thousands of jobs lost in the Tier 1, 2 etc UK car part suppliers.  It who can get the EVs right and with the 208 and Zoe it looking like the French have a lead.  Lots of talk about the VW Group ID but it is when and how much that will be key.    

     

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    2 hours ago, vrskeith said:

    Could it be available in the UK. Great fun.

     

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/volkswagen-id-buggy-makes-road-debut-pebble-beach

     

    Volkswagen ID Buggy concept

     

    We made something similar a few years back both on our own and with PSA.  Think we and with PSA sales were merely a few thousand and even then we had a better range than the VW.

     

    Good for headlines but cannot imagine it being a real seller. Better to have them at the Ballearic Islands, Southern Spain, Canaries where the weather would suit. Uk not so much with our weather, even Cornwall and Devon.  Electric mini moke....

     

    1965 Austin Mini Moke Wood & Pickett

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    I very much enjoyed driving the e-Niro, (and Niro)

    But looking forward to trying an 'e-Soul.    (Anusol is a haemorrhoids treatment....)

     

    Kia salespeople in the UK have e-Niro to shift and vague on e-Soul availability, and when, maybe sometimes, e-Niros now, well we can get.

     

    Various tester / reviewers giving different measurements (making errors) for boot capacity.

     

     

     

     

     

     

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    On 19/08/2019 at 11:06, Roottootemoot said:

    reviewers giving different measurements (making errors) for boot capacity.

    Or just using different measurement techniques.

    The technique will be 'read it from the media pack as handed over with the cars, or read or watch another reviewers review.

     

    Few other than Thomas get out a tape or measuring stick.  (it has been suggested he has 12" but does not use it as a rule.)

    There is Matt that has a selection of empty suitcases that he demonstrates who easy to lift over the rear lip,

    then the is the guys with empty boxes that they use to make looking out the rear window impossible.

     

    The measuring techniques will be from Korea or Central Europe not their fair hands.

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    I got to borrow a Rifter to see if i liked and it might replace my SEAT, i really did like it, then prices increased,

    and while there i had a seat in the current 208 while there to see about getting in and out and elbow room.

    I was pleasantly surprised with it and thought this really feels Fabia like only nicer and driving a e208 should be rather nice.

    My name is down for an invite to the Launch.

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    On 19/08/2019 at 13:15, Roottootemoot said:

    I got to borrow a Rifter

    An offer I would certainly refuse!! ;) 

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    16 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

    https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/hyundai/ioniq/first-drives/hyundai-ioniq-electric-2019-review

     

    Hyundai Ioniq Electric 2019 first drive review - hero front

    Traditional auto journalists have no idea what they are talking about:

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    A newly-fitted 7.2kW onboard charger can charge the battery to 80% in 57 minutes on a 50kW charger, or from flat to full in little over six hours on a 7kW charger.

    Should read: A newly fitted 7.2kW onboard charger can charge from flat to full in a little over six hours. Alternatively during a road-trop, the battery can charge up quickly to 80% in less than 57 mines on a 50kW CCS DC charger.

     

    Over last month, I visited rapid charging station twice, twice I had to teach new EV owners how to charge their car. Both tried to charge their CCS car using the Type 2 AC connector on Ecotricity rapids.

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    10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

    Traditional auto journalists have no idea what they are talking about:

    Should read: A newly fitted 7.2kW onboard charger can charge from flat to full in a little over six hours. Alternatively during a road-trop, the battery can charge up quickly to 80% in less than 57 mines on a 50kW CCS DC charger.

     

    Over last month, I visited rapid charging station twice, twice I had to teach new EV owners how to charge their car. Both tried to charge their CCS car using the Type 2 AC connector on Ecotricity rapids.

     

    Simple maths should tell users what is right or not.

     

    The chargers are round about 90% efficient I gather ie 90% of the draw down current goes in to battery charge, most of rest is waste heat.

     

    So a 50 kWh battery should take roughly 8 hours to charge from empty on a 7.2 kWh charger ie put in 57 kWh to get the 52 kWh Zoe charged.  Presumably would take a bit longer as the last 10 to 20% might go in slower but give it 10 hours and it should go from zero to fully charged no problem. 

     

    Presumably the crop of 80 kWh plus cars could need the more powerful 11 kWh home chargers to get a full charge overnight ie in less than 8 hours or so.   11kWh chargers bit more expensive so maybe not free with the EV deals like the 7 kWh one are.  

     

     

    Well, 11kW is 3 phase 16amp. You'd need 3 phase supply to be able to install 11kW chargers.

     

    Consider this, 7kW charge for 7 hours is 49kWh. In winter at worst case 3 mi/kWh translates to 147 miles. You'd have to be driving more than 140 miles EVERY DAY to require faster charger.

    On 28/08/2019 at 21:05, lol-lol said:

    The chargers are round about 90% efficient I gather ie 90% of the draw down current goes in to battery charge, most of rest is waste heat.

    That assumes that charging a battery is 100% efficient i.e. every Ah put into the battery increases its charge by 1Ah, but this isn't the case - depending on the construction, temperature, etc. batteries can be as little as 50% efficient at converting input electrical power into stored electrochemical power.

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    33 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

    That assumes that charging a battery is 100% efficient i.e. every Ah put into the battery increases its charge by 1Ah, but this isn't the case - depending on the construction, temperature, etc. batteries can be as little as 50% efficient at converting input electrical power into stored electrochemical power.

    "Can be" is the keyword.

    Most expensive Li-on battery can also be 99% efficient in accepting charge. Most Li-on battery are around 80-90% efficient in accepting charge.

     

    Source of 80-90% efficiency: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery

    Source on 99% efficient battery and also comparing against fuel cell, ICE and 777 airliner: https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/comparing_the_battery_with_other_power_sources

     

    So I think it's safer to say 75% charging and discharging loss. Meaning 1kWh of power from the plug becomes 0.75kWh of energy for the motor.

     

    High power motors used in cars have efficiency of 90+%. https://www.energydepot.com/RPUcom/library/MISC003.asp

    That means from plug to output of motor, EV overall efficiency would be over 60%.

     

    In comparison, ICE (from pump to output of ICE engine, excluding mechanical losses by clutch and more complex gearbox), getting 40% is newsworthy, typically they are said to be 25%. https://www.sae.org/news/2018/04/toyota-unveils-more-new-gasoline-ices-with-40-thermal-efficiency

     

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