19 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

OK, but if you have to stop at $place1 because charger rather than $place2 a mile further on with better food and coffee?

 

hasn't happened yet every motorway service area bar one (Harthill) has charging so if you prefer different over priced food you can choose a different area 🙂

 

all I can say is that it's not been an issue and I've done 12,000 miles for a total cost of £28 so far. I'm quite happy with the slight compromise of having to plug in before I go to the loo for those savings. I really would like to return to a Skoda though, don't like Nissan interior fit and finish. 

 

The ability to beat just about any boy racer away from the traffic lights never grows old though 🙂

 

Edited 18 June, 20197 yr by domhnall

2 hours ago, domhnall said:

every motorway service area bar one (Harthill) has charging

Yeah, and if you do 90% or so of your mileage off-motorway?

People in Scotland never driving south of Perth might do 100% of there driving off Motorways. 

Not an issue to many to run a EV, and if it is then don't.  

Not really rocket science or even a difficult decision.

19 hours ago, KenONeill said:

Yeah, and if you do 90% or so of your mileage off-motorway?

 

In England the plan appears to be create an EV charging spine on the Fosse Way so to complement the Motorway network and other similar networks seems the way to go.

 

 

On 25/06/2019 at 22:02, vrskeith said:

 

 

Nice review but the 3 year old battery model so looking forward to a review of the 52 kWh new Zoe.  Zoe S is a nice spec.

Edited 30 June, 20197 yr by lol-lol

Really smitten with this car. Looks, ( Fabia like)   practical size internal and external.

Edited 3 July, 20196 yr by vrskeith

It's great to hear Honda engineer agree with the mentality that you don't need huge battery with huge range. (or they are saying that because that's all they can fit into this chassis)

35kWh is spot on for a small city car, for local use without access to Tesla supercharger network, we are managing with an aging 24kWh Leaf.

So I see this as perfect replacement to our Leaf 5-10 years down the line when our Leaf nears end of its life. It'll serve similar purpose to the current Leaf: a city car. A vehicle with access Tesla supercharger network will replace our dirty diesel for long distance driving, probably a '3 standard range. Again, no need for giant battery, ~200 miles with good charging network is all that's needed.

Saturation point reached on these vehicles in Britain?

 

PHEV sales down 50%. Hybrids falling too?

 

SMMT have grave concern at falling LE sales:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702

 

 

Edited 4 July, 20196 yr by camelspyyder

All new vehicles with non-zero CO2 emissions now pay at least £140 Road Tax in the second and subsequent years - so the long term financial incentive to choose a low emissions car is greatly reduced.

 

The halving of the subsidy on hybrids isn't going to encourage people to choose a hybrid - especially those concerned about the extra complexity increasing repair costs when out of warranty.

14 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

Saturation point reached on these vehicles in Britain?

 

PHEV sales down 50%. Hybrids falling too?

 

SMMT have grave concern at falling LE sales:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702

 

 

The fall is only for hybrids though, Dave have adequately pointed out possible reason behind it.

 

DfT spokesman reported in that article to say:

"That focus has paid off - with registrations of battery electric vehicles up over 60% this year compared to the same period in 2018."

 

So it's very good news, as manufacturer's old trick of slow evolutionary upgrades are now no longer enough. People want a step change to battery EV's.

On 18/06/2019 at 13:59, KenONeill said:

Yeah, and if you do 90% or so of your mileage off-motorway?

 

well

 

 

and of course most people do a lot of their charging at home (though not all can)

 

 

On 04/07/2019 at 17:11, camelspyyder said:

Saturation point reached on these vehicles in Britain?

 

PHEV sales down 50%. Hybrids falling too?

 

SMMT have grave concern at falling LE sales:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48865702

 

 

Do not think so more about new much better EV models just round the corner so proper to wait though I see Renault are offering another £1k off in July to buy one of the "old" 175 mile summer/125 winter mile Zoes before the 52 KWh Zoe price comes out in a few of months with delivery in early 2020.

 

All car sales seem to be suffering just EVs less than ICE cars.  With US looking at reducing interest rates and then other countries to follow then cheaper car deals may be not to far away.  

 

For many having a car one can run for 3p per mile for fuel costs is attractive as well as the pollution aspects.  

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mini-electric-revealed-affordable-brit-built-ev

 

 

How good and competitive?

 

Edited 9 July, 20196 yr by vrskeith

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-id-3-new-nissan-leaf-rival-seen-barely-disguised

Edited 9 July, 20196 yr by vrskeith

1 hour ago, vrskeith said:

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-mini-electric-revealed-affordable-brit-built-ev

 

 

How good and competitive?

 

33 KWh battery, range will be dire.

 

 

Edited 9 July, 20196 yr by lol-lol

13 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

33 KWh battery, range will be dire.

 

 

Indeed, but depends what you want the car to do. Similar to Honda E, the mini is perfect as local runabout, primary car with a secondary car for main long distance drives.

 

(like how we are using our Leaf)

So I applaud this approach. Because we really don't need massive batteries to do 300+ miles just to pamper to fuel station mentality. EV can be recharged at home, so only need to be able to do your daily mileage.

 

On ‎03‎/‎07‎/‎2019 at 17:48, vrskeith said:

Really smitten with this car. Looks, ( Fabia like)   practical size internal and external.

 

On 10/07/2019 at 07:31, wyx087 said:

Indeed, but depends what you want the car to do. Similar to Honda E, the mini is perfect as local runabout, primary car with a secondary car for main long distance drives.

 

(like how we are using our Leaf)

So I applaud this approach. Because we really don't need massive batteries to do 300+ miles just to pamper to fuel station mentality. EV can be recharged at home, so only need to be able to do your daily mileage.

 

£25k to £30k for a city runaround is steep.  Cooper S spec.  Hopefully they will do a Cooper or even One spec to bring the price down.

 

New Zoe looks a far better buy IMO.   I regularly do 125 mile journeys and may not be able to get a full charge where I am going ie Heathrow. 400 km range of the new Zoe could just about do key journeys of EV rather than using an ICE to an already polluted city.

Oh I totally agree, both Zoe is a better buy and we need more lower trim levels on EV's to bring down the price.

 

The new Zoe, with CCS and 50 odd kWh battery is the perfect mass market EV. It's the Ford Fiasta of EV world, should fly off the shelf! I only hope they do away with battery rentals.

 

VW ID3 looks shaping up to be the Golfof EV world. Hopefully people will buy them in huge numbers instead of ICE hatchbacks.

 

Then there's e-Niro and Kona, SUV styled hatchbacks. If only they made more of them.

On 12/07/2019 at 07:14, wyx087 said:

Oh I totally agree, both Zoe is a better buy and we need more lower trim levels on EV's to bring down the price.

 

The new Zoe, with CCS and 50 odd kWh battery is the perfect mass market EV. It's the Ford Fiasta of EV world, should fly off the shelf! I only hope they do away with battery rentals.

 

VW ID3 looks shaping up to be the Golfof EV world. Hopefully people will buy them in huge numbers instead of ICE hatchbacks.

 

Then there's e-Niro and Kona, SUV styled hatchbacks. If only they made more of them.

 

It will be interesting to see the Zoe and the similarly spec'd 208-e and DS models from PSA though the DS 3 Crossover EV will probably breech the £30K barrier but may get under it with incentives.

 

Zoe 52 kWh, 208-e and DS3 EV should be good for 200 mile and even 250 miles for the Zoe.

 

As pound has been weakening as we approach BREXIT the European mainland made cars may be pricier but then maybe the LEAF will get cheaper as it is made in the UK !    

 

Edited 15 July, 20196 yr by lol-lol

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mg/zs/107464/new-mg-zs-ev-2019-review

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mg/zs/105257/new-2019-mg-zs-ev-prices-announced

 

Edited 17 July, 20196 yr by vrskeith