Has anyone updated their maps on the satnav yet? I googled this and found this site http://updateportal.skoda-auto.com/en-gb I enter my VIN and it tells me that there are two map updates available and also that a new one will be coming in May. I have an Amundsen system in my SE-L. The instructions are quite clear, but I am wondering if the SD card already in the car can be used to download the updated map data to? I'll also need to buy and SD card reader/writer as neither my laptop nor desktop have SD crad slots.

 

Any help with this be greatly appreciated.

Edited 8 May, 20188 yr by Luckypants
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Don't have OEM nav built in, but I've read that the updates should be copied to the original card.

 

A logical process would be:

 

1.Buy a well rated SD card reader from Amazon.

2. Put the car's SD card into the reader and copy the existing file(s) to your computer as a back-up.

3. Download the update(s) to your computer as per the video and scan them to check they're "safe" (they will be).

4. Copy the update(s) to the card, put it back in the car, then run the update routine as per the video.

 

Good luck.

Might be worth checking the map version that you currently have as it may already be upto date.

5 minutes ago, Michael G said:

Don't have OEM nav built in, but I've read that the updates should be copied to the original card.

 

Do you have a reference? I'm pretty sure I have read the same, but would like to see that definitively spelt out. I cannot find where I think I read this which worries me I may be imagining it. On my previous SEAT, trying to update the SD card broke the maps as SEAT had instigated a pay to upgrade system (Skoda provides free updates AFAIK.) So you can see why I hesitate....

 

Cannot fault your upgrade plan, it's what I would do at work too.

 

2 minutes ago, Panther_uk said:

Might be worth checking the map version that you currently have as it may already be upto date.

Indeed! When SWMBO returns with the car I will. There is another update due in May, so I'll want to do this month I suspect.

1 minute ago, Luckypants said:

 

Do you have a reference? I'm pretty sure I have read the same, but would like to see that definitively spelt out.

 

Sorry Lucky, no. It'll likely have been here, but possibly from when we had Yetis before.

 

I'm sure someone will be right along to say yay or nay.

yes they do have to be copied to the original card. I copy the existing files to my PC then pt the new files on the card and put back into the amundsen

 

 

I didn't have an original card that came with my MKIII MY17  SEL EX, mine has the Columbus 9.2. I didn't buy the car new.

I just bought a £9.95 Class 10 32GB Micro SD card with adaptor from Amazon, downloaded the maps onto my PC from the Skoda Portal, transferred them onto the card. Put the card into the DVD player, updated the maps, removed the card which can then be erased and used in a phone or tablet or whatever you like. Worked fine for me.

OK - For clarity, the Infotainment system I'm asking about is the Amundsen system fitted to the MKI Karoq.

 

I think I have sussed this after perusing the manual (p.177) over lunch...

 

"Amundsen navigation data source
The navigation data is stored on an Original SD card.
In order to ensure the function of the navigation, the Original SD card, with the
navigation data, must be inserted in the respective slot in the external module
» page 124.
If the original SD card should be damaged or lost, a new original SD card can
be purchased from the ŠKODA Original Accessories.
With a non-original SD Card, the navigation does not work."

 

The bit highlighted in red is telling I think. The card holds the navigation data, so has to be left in place during use. To upgrade, it must be removed and upgraded via the portal and then the upgrade process followed when the card is re-inserted.

 

 

Edited 8 May, 20188 yr by Luckypants

My satnav is an Amundsen MIB2 (late 2016) in an Octavia, but the procedure is likely to be the same. See my post here for how I updated mine - 

 

 

 

Very useful BOD20. I'm ordering a card reader/writer.

Amundsen needs an original Skoda branded card, data is stored on the card at all times and it needs to be inserted for use. Edit: You can use the original card after backing up the contents if you wish. If something goes wrong you can restore the saved version.

 

Columbus can use any sd card or USB pen drive etc. for data transfer to the unit, and the data is then stored on the internal memory once transferred. The card (or USB) can then be removed.

Edited 8 May, 20188 yr by Rustynuts

Doesnt the columbus update its maps over wifi?

I connected to my home wifi and it said everything was up to date.

Need to check the latest map version available and see if mine has it.

On a general note, one thing not mentioned so far is software updates. This is important as one thing it does is tell the car where the satellites are. Something owners of satnavs may have noticed is how long it takes to recalculate when you miss a turn. This is often down to the satnav not being able to orientate itself because it is looking in the wrong places for the satelites.

 

Colin

11 minutes ago, eribaMotters said:

On a general note, one thing not mentioned so far is software updates. This is important as one thing it does is tell the car where the satellites are. Something owners of satnavs may have noticed is how long it takes to recalculate when you miss a turn. This is often down to the satnav not being able to orientate itself because it is looking in the wrong places for the satelites.

 

Colin

Are you sure? I've Columbus units here with software versions 10 years old and they see satellites on a ratio of 7 or 8 out of 10. The latest software sees about the same.

I can only talk from my experience of Garmin. I think this uses Navtech mapping.

 

Colin

12 hours ago, eribaMotters said:

On a general note, one thing not mentioned so far is software updates. This is important as one thing it does is tell the car where the satellites are. Something owners of satnavs may have noticed is how long it takes to recalculate when you miss a turn. This is often down to the satnav not being able to orientate itself because it is looking in the wrong places for the satelites.

 

Colin

This would only inform of new satellites, not those already up there. GPS uses satellites in geo-stationary orbit, i.e. they do not move relative to the earth and therefore can be used to triangulate your position. So all any update to a satellite database will do is help increase accuracy, not speed to re-calculate the route. Being able to see 3 satellites is enough to get your position, but as more are seen by the unit then accuracy increases, down to a matter of feet by the time 6 satellites can be seen. If there is a satellite database within the unit, I'd have thought it much more logical to update that as part of a mapping database update than as a system software update.

5 hours ago, Luckypants said:

This would only inform of new satellites, not those already up there. GPS uses satellites in geo-stationary orbit, i.e. they do not move relative to the earth and therefore can be used to triangulate your position. So all any update to a satellite database will do is help increase accuracy, not speed to re-calculate the route. Being able to see 3 satellites is enough to get your position, but as more are seen by the unit then accuracy increases, down to a matter of feet by the time 6 satellites can be seen. If there is a satellite database within the unit, I'd have thought it much more logical to update that as part of a mapping database update than as a system software update.

"Each satellite in the GPS constellation orbits at an altitude of about 20,000 km from the ground, and has an orbital speed of about 14,000 km/hour (the orbital period is roughly 12 hours - contrary to popular belief, GPS satellites are not in geosynchronous or geostationary orbits)." It's a common misconception that these satellites are geostationary. Some telecommunications satellites are, but not the GPS satellites.

Now I know , Thanks.

19 hours ago, eribaMotters said:

On a general note, one thing not mentioned so far is software updates. This is important as one thing it does is tell the car where the satellites are. Something owners of satnavs may have noticed is how long it takes to recalculate when you miss a turn. This is often down to the satnav not being able to orientate itself because it is looking in the wrong places for the satelites.

 

Colin

Completely wrong. In simplistic terms, to "look in the right place" a GPS receiver needs an almanac. To calculate position a GPS receiver needs an ephemeris for each satellite. These are downloaded from the navigation message - nothing to do with a software update.

Ephemeris is valid for a few hours and takes at best an uninterrupted minute - hence the "gps dance" outside your house waiting for your gps watch to get a position before you go for your run or a "Searching for satellites" when you set off in the morning. (Newer devices are smarter and can get the ephemeris via wi-fi etc making a cold start very fast)

 

When you miss a turn it has an element of "benefit of doubt" before it decides you really have missed a turn. You don't want it constantly recalculating where  map data has smoothed out a bend, a road has been realigned etc.  Bear in mind that satnavs snap the GPS position to the map data to give a raised perception of accuracy. 

 

Finally when you miss a turn the time taken to recalculate is down to the processing power available, the algorithms and the the complexity of the route.

Alternatively, use Android Auto or Apple CarPlay and worry not about updates 

 

We have rocket scientists with us. Who knew? 

34 minutes ago, Michael G said:

 

We have rocket scientists with us. Who knew? 

 

As a first post, that MAY have been a little more informative than my first posting.....

 

1 hour ago, Michael G said:

Alternatively, use Android Auto or Apple CarPlay and worry not about updates 

 

We have rocket scientists with us. Who knew? 

I think you mean "Karoqet scientists" Michael!!

34 minutes ago, TomKaroq said:

I think you mean "Karoqet scientists" Michael!!

 

I did. Thanks for the correction 

1 hour ago, OldKaroq said:

 

As a first post, that MAY have been a little more informative than my first posting.....

 

Take it you are referring to me. Sorry, got a little carried away. I'll get me coat.

1 hour ago, Karob said:

Take it you are referring to me. Sorry, got a little carried away. I'll get me coat.

 

Please hang the coat back up. I've made copious notes and learnt such a lot