Ajay24....what engine is in your Yeti ?

Just curious as your profile suggests a 170, but the VAG DPF app thinks it's a "CUUB" engine which I believe is a 150...

Just now, muddyboots said:

Ajay24....what engine is in your Yeti ?

Just curious as your profile suggests a 170, but the VAG DPF app thinks it's a "CUUB" engine which I believe is a 150...

 

Correct, it's a 150. When they bought the car, it was misold as a 170 so Ajay24 added that to their profile

Incidentally, I'd take the "percentage full" figure in the VAG DPF app with a pinch of salt.

For my car, to get to "100%" full the soot loading would have to reach around 24g, in practice regens are triggered well before that, usually around the 18g mark.

Also worth noting the "calculated" and "measured" soot loading figures can become wildly different, and I'm not sure how the ECU interprets these to determine if a regen is required. The "calculated" figure on mine only ever goes up, whereas if you get the DPF to 600º+ the measured soot loading will drop off as soot is passively burnt off while the calculated figure will remain high. I've had instances before where I can get the "calculated" figure over say, 15g, and the "measured" value in low single digits.

30 minutes ago, muddyboots said:

Incidentally, I'd take the "percentage full" figure in the VAG DPF app with a pinch of salt.

For my car, to get to "100%" full the soot loading would have to reach around 24g, in practice regens are triggered well before that, usually around the 18g mark.

Also worth noting the "calculated" and "measured" soot loading figures can become wildly different, and I'm not sure how the ECU interprets these to determine if a regen is required. The "calculated" figure on mine only ever goes up, whereas if you get the DPF to 600º+ the measured soot loading will drop off as soot is passively burnt off while the calculated figure will remain high. I've had instances before where I can get the "calculated" figure over say, 15g, and the "measured" value in low single digits.

 

I have been watching my app nearly continuously for some time now carefully monitoring it as a regen approaches and never had a regen at 18g. It always waits till the line bar on the app is at 100% and the calculated soot loading is then always 24g. Entirely consistent in that way.

Yetiflute quote

“I have been watching my app nearly continuously for some time now carefully monitoring it as a regen approaches and never had a regen at 18g. It always waits till the line bar on the app is at 100% and the calculated soot loading is then always 24g. Entirely consistent in that way.”...............this is getting me curious now so what simple equipment do I need to get the information onto the VAG DPF on my phone?

 

Edited 31 May, 20188 yr by Sad555

The percentage isn't from the ECU, that's generated by the app so it's not entirely clear what it means. It may vary given what the developer believes is the active regen limit for each engine code.

 

Difference generations of engines appear to have slightly different limits for DPF's. If you compare the DPF regeneration graphs in SSP 826803 (EA189?) and SSP 820433 (EA288), you notice that both can start an active regeneration from 18g but show 24g and 30g respectively as the point where a regen drive will be requested. Both still share the 40g limit for a service regeneration and 45g for replacement.

 

1 hour ago, Sad555 said:

this is getting me curious now so what simple equipment do I need to get the information onto the VAG DPF on my phone?

 

Assuming you have an android phone, you need an decent ELM327 OBD adaptor and the VAG DPF app from the google play store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.applagapp.vagdpf&hl=en_GB

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Sad555 said:

Yetiflute quote

“I have been watching my app nearly continuously for some time now carefully monitoring it as a regen approaches and never had a regen at 18g. It always waits till the line bar on the app is at 100% and the calculated soot loading is then always 24g. Entirely consistent in that way.”...............this is getting me curious now so what simple equipment do I need to get the information onto the VAG DPF on my phone?

 

 

You need an OBD2 scanner (Bluetooth) available from many sources for say £10 (apparently some work better than others) Mine is a relatively expensive carista which I bought for the carista iOS app which is also very useful for managing many car features (digital  speedo display and many other options normally adjusted using vcds equipment). You then need to download the VAG app on to an android smartphone  and I would strongly advise the paid version at £3.60 Very simple indeed to use. Read only - no adjustments possible like the carista app (which does not monitor the dpf). So you could be up and running for about £15 if you have an android phone available.

Edited 31 May, 20188 yr by Yetiflute

If you haven't got one already, a phone mount is handy too so you can safely watch while driving

Oh dear I’ve only got an iPhone X so I won’t be able to use the app and keep an eye on this app when driving along,never mind and thanks for ALL the info.

I just don't know how you'll cope in future then Sad555...

Precisely

The manufacturers don’t advertise the DPF as a ‘feature’ and ‘sales’ are not exactly keen on drawing your attention to it.

The petrol equivalent won’t be advertised widely as an exciting new feature either.

Isn’t it strange how motor manufacturers are constantly spending ££££££££ trying to improve engine performance 0-60 0-100 top speed and mpg and at the same time spend ££££££££££$$££€€ attempting to strangle the engines breathing ,fuel economy and reliability with EGR,dpf etc  only for you to get the car on the motorway full of potholes to give it good run only to be met with  bright warnings reducing the speed from 70 to 60 to 50 to 40 to 30 to 20 when you can only manage a stop start max speed of 15 mph and expensive cameras  set up every where to monitor your speed if ever the opportunity arises to go 70 or over  and 4 lanes haven been reduced to one because somebody’s got a flat and no spare and the authorities need ten flashing vehicles to make it safe foreverybody and you’ve set your expensive on board  satnav  and computer up that tells you it’s exactly  X miles and  exactly Y minutes  mpg etc traveling at permitted speeds  and you end up taking 3 x as long to get to your end of journey.sorry for the moan but spent a lot of wasted time yesterday on that road to hell the M4 into Wales and having to pay the toll for the pleasure,I’m so old I can still remember the joy of taking the old cortina out for an enjoyable run on the open A roads ,no sat nav and 40 mpg and even a little bit of quiet motorway and the sweet smell of petrol.weve probably got the best produced cars we’ve ever had and the worst ever conditions in this country to drive in ,perhaps all the fumes has had some affect on our brains.

Edited 1 June, 20188 yr by Sad555

10 hours ago, Sad555 said:

Isn’t it strange how motor manufacturers are constantly spending ££££££££ trying to improve engine performance 0-60 0-100 top speed and mpg and at the same time spend ££££££££££$$££€€ attempting to strangle the engines breathing ,fuel economy and reliability with EGR,dpf etc

 

The manufactures are not attempting to do that, they are trying to do exactly the opposite with bits they have been forced to use to meet ever changing emissions regulations.
That's the main reason Dieselgate came about.

Well I agree to a point but dieselgate came about because rather than comply VAG took it upon themselves to CHEAT their way in achieving euro 5 and kill of diesel cars new and old.

3 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

Well I agree to a point but dieselgate came about because rather than comply VAG took it upon themselves to CHEAT their way in achieving euro 5 and kill of diesel cars new and old.

Is that not what I said above, exactly opposite to strangling the engines breathing, fuel economy and reliability.
But the measures they have had to adopt with the fix stifles the engines breathing, fuel economy and reliability.

NOT ACCORDING TO VAG,,,,, if you received their offer of the free fix it quite clearly stated the opposite,but as we all all know that was also a lie too.;

Are you just looking for an argument?

 

If you took some time to research the big picture you'd know that although VAG are massively in the spotlight for cheating, they're by far and away not the only manufacturers to have been cheating the emissions regulations. Simply google "***** Emissions Scandal" (replace the stars with your chosen manufacturer) and see just how righteous the motoring world is.

I'd rather drive a cheating VAG than a cheating ****

Oh its all alright then,not looking for an argument just discussing vag cheating not other makes .

Edited 2 June, 20188 yr by Sad555

I was one of those who were warning owners not to have the EA189 emissions fix done to their car, afterall, what's to gain? Nothing, only potential issues further down the road.

 

For a number of reasons, I very reluctantly had the fix applied to my 145,000 mile, 7 year old Superb, fearing the worse.

 

The noticeable differences... none, nothing. No jerkiness, no change in driving dynamics, no reduced power, no increased DPF regenerations.

 

My advice still stands, why have it done if you don't need to, but my experience (so far) hasn't been anywhere near as bad as I'd feared.

Finally had enough of DPF regens needed far too often - mainly every 150 so the Yeti is going at the end of next month for a petrol karog 1.5 Tsi. The yeti has been the best equipped car I have ever had and am  very sorry to see it go but diesels and short journeys just don't mix for me. Hope the 150 bhp karoq will tow my caravan though. Checks say it should be ok.

Hope you will be able to pull away ok with/without the caravan as it appears from the Karot site it’s becombing bit of an issue pulling away in first gear .

Edited 4 September, 20187 yr by Sad555

So some with 1.5 TSI engines with manual boxes in different VW Group vehicles seem to be reporting.

 

If you bought or leased one and it behaved like that and is not fit for purpose that would be expected from a modern 150ps petrol car you would hand it back and say get that sorted or you know where to put it.

Edited 4 September, 20187 yr by Offski