Hi folks

 

just wanted to know when remapping a vRS 245 DSG, does the DSG system needed anything doing to it as well?

 

Considering pushing up to 300bhp but I’ve seen one or two mentions of DSG maps. 

 

Does that normally come with the engine remap or would it be priced separate? 

 

Does the gearbox need it or would it cope just fine without one?

 

Many thanks 

Separate; the engine map is on the ECU, and the DSG on the TCU. DSG map isn't required for the engine remap.

A DSG map increases the clamping pressure on the clutches - can also move the change points from some suppliers - but is only really needed 350+bhp.

On ‎13‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 08:33, EddGee said:

Hi folks

 

just wanted to know when remapping a vRS 245 DSG, does the DSG system needed anything doing to it as well?

 

Considering pushing up to 300bhp but I’ve seen one or two mentions of DSG maps. 

 

Does that normally come with the engine remap or would it be priced separate? 

 

Does the gearbox need it or would it cope just fine without one?

 

Many thanks 

You may be able to specify quicker gearchanges than you currently experience with a remapped DSG but also the torque could be tailored so that smaller increases are programmed into 1st and 2nd and progressively more is fed in as you move up through the gears.

Personally I think the standard gearbox would easily cope with around 300bhp, as my manual car easily copes with the extra 97NM of torque and 60bhp. No clutch or gearbox issues and no oil being used since re-map almost 4 months ago.

Thinking of going for the superchips bluefin system when i get the car so i can revert to normal map when needed.

20 minutes ago, Ursicles said:

Thinking of going for the superchips bluefin system when i get the car so i can revert to normal map when needed.

Did you sell the M3 and if so how much did it fetch? Just being nosey!

11 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Did you sell the M3 and if so how much did it fetch? Just being nosey!

 

Still sat on my driveway - had several time wasters come and see it, but my no test drive without insurance thing has put them off too.

 

Need to take some new pics and relist, as the guys on the M3 forum reckon for the condition, mileage and BMW warranty the price is good value and i shouldnt drop it.

9 hours ago, Ursicles said:

 

Still sat on my driveway - had several time wasters come and see it, but my no test drive without insurance thing has put them off too.

 

Need to take some new pics and relist, as the guys on the M3 forum reckon for the condition, mileage and BMW warranty the price is good value and i shouldnt drop it.

The ‘no test drive without insurance’ thing is undoubtedly a good idea. 

 

Most policies used to cover driving someone else’s car Third Party, but now many do not. 

 

So, better safe than very sorry!!

 

Good luck selling it! 

Also puts off those who want to come try it. 

 

Happy to take anyone for a spin, but unless your comprehensive on the insurance you won't be driving! 

On 01/07/2018 at 10:54, Ursicles said:

Thinking of going for the superchips bluefin system when i get the car so i can revert to normal map when needed.

Don't unless you want a TB1 flag 

 

The ECU has a check Qsum number so even, when you return to stock VAG service software knows you've been playing. A tuningbox is only way around the check Qsum counter DTUK or I'm informed JB4 although, I have no experience of the JB4 @Muzza80 does though, it's too complicated for me but, if you like lots of flexibility it's meant to be the MuttsNutts 

If you want to revert to a standard map or have a Service / Valet setting then get a APR switchable Remap.

http://goapr.co.uk 

 

No point thinking a tuning box means no Warranty Claim problems just because not flagged on a ECU if you are declaring the Mod / Box on your insurance and a Warranty Underwriter asks if you had any Hardware or Non Factory Approved Engine Management on the  car at the time of something you are making a claim on.

They are not stupid, and if looking at paying out a few grand they do sometimes use loss adjusters that might well look at a claimants insurance.

Does sound like a bit of a minefield this whole remapping a leased car thing, declaring it on insurance is a given - more so the 'what if it goes pop' scenario!

More than a minefield, it is not your car, you are reducing the value and voiding a warranty.

 

A member here had a remapped Seat Leon Cupra remapped and the turbo went pop, they were lucky as turbos were going pop without remaps.

Others have had car taken off them, and also had charges for losses against them, that is being told pay up. 

 

Another member that modded / tuned cars that they never owned.

(Audi S3 with remap and exhausts mods, and videos posted on improved performance 'Private British Roads' that looked just like streets...')

 

Edited 2 July, 20187 yr by Offski

1 hour ago, Offski said:

If you want to revert to a standard map or have a Service / Valet setting then get a APR switchable Remap.

http://goapr.co.uk 

 

No point thinking a tuning box means no Warranty Claim problems just because not flagged on a ECU if you are declaring the Mod / Box on your insurance and a Warranty Underwriter asks if you had any Hardware or Non Factory Approved Engine Management on the  car at the time of something you are making a claim on.

They are not stupid, and if looking at paying out a few grand they do sometimes use loss adjusters that might well look at a claimants insurance.

 

There is no reason a warranty claim would ever contact your insurer, and nor would they be at will to divulge information about your policy, it would be a clear breach of data protection. 

Might be no reason.

Does not mean it does not happen because it does.

Fraud is fraud, and a few thousand from a Warranty / Insurer / Finance company is fraud if they pay out and you were not honest in your claim.

It is a financial product.   They can ask you if you can provide your insurance schedule and they do sometimes.

Not some internet myth.  It has happened here to members not just Insurance Claims and Undeclared Mods, but Warranty Claims, 

then obviously accident claims.

Social Media / Forums are so handy for Loss Adjusters on a commission.

 

The Owner of a vehicle, so that can be VW Finance other Financial Institutions, Leasing Companies have the right to know their vehicle is properly insured, (not void because of undeclared mods.) and also that the warranty stays valid because they have the financial liability, 

the car will be getting sold in the future, with or without warranty,

if the Warranty Provider asks them about anything they might ask you. You might have to be truthful.

 

 

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Edited 2 July, 20187 yr by Offski

Ive had my 245 remapped mate by CGK in Nottingham. DSG is still standard map though.

No problems at all :-)

Edited 25 August, 20187 yr by mdbirtles

2 minutes ago, mdbirtles said:

Ive had my 245 remapped mate by CGK in Nottingham. DSG is still standard map though.

No problems at all :-)

What power/torque did you get and at what revs for both, assuming they have a rolling road of course. Was wondering when someone else would take the plunge.

Hi mate,

 

CGK don’t have a rolling road.

They were confident that a Stage 1 would add another 55 horses.....and it certainly feels it.

1 hour ago, mdbirtles said:

Hi mate,

 

CGK don’t have a rolling road.

They were confident that a Stage 1 would add another 55 horses.....and it certainly feels it.

Sounds about right mine went up from 248 to 302bhp.

Only thing that they haven’t done is remove the limiter.

They did say that maybe it’s not possible to remove it, but waiting on confirmation of that.

Hits 150 easy, but then backs off while only at 4K revs :-)

On 02/07/2018 at 15:13, e-Roottoot said:

More than a minefield, it is not your car, you are reducing the value and voiding a warranty.

 

A member here had a remapped Seat Leon Cupra remapped and the turbo went pop, they were lucky as turbos were going pop without remaps.

Others have had car taken off them, and also had charges for losses against them, that is being told pay up. 

 

Another member that modded / tuned cars that they never owned.

(Audi S3 with remap and exhausts mods, and videos posted on improved performance 'Private British Roads' that looked just like streets...')

 

In my case, as the owner of the Leon, I declared the remap with both seat UK finance and with the UK tech department. I also didn't try to hide it from the local dealer. 

@stever750I remember you telling me 'to keep up at the back',  i just remember that there was not much said about the car after it needed a turbo and then it was gone.

Did the Dealership put the ECU back to the Factory map after fitting the new turbo and then sell as a SEAT Approved Used Car?

2 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@stever750I remember you telling me 'to keep up at the back',  i just remember that there was not much said about the car after it needed a turbo and then it was gone.

Did the Dealership put the ECU back to the Factory map after fitting the new turbo and then sell as a SEAT Approved Used Car?

No, I put it back to standard before it was repaired. I decided to sell it not long afterwards because of the depreciation and a looming financial black hole. With hindsight, I wish I'd kept it. 

Seat UK told me it was OK to remap it, but that I must return to standard when / if I returned it to the dealer network. I had that in writing. 

Edited 23 May, 20215 yr by stever750

I had a chat with local Seat dealer as I was looking fir a used Leon cupra but nothing doing. I mentioned my blown turbo, he told me it wasn't uncommon, the early builds had I think IHI produced turbos that had a known weak impellor shaft. Every chance it would have failed even without the remap. 

To balance that, I've had two octy petrol vrs mapped by Shark, no issues. I also did my tdi vrs and that had no issues in 60k or so miles. 

@stever750  Thanks for that.  Very interesting how that went with that SEAT Dealership & SEAT UK.

Very odd that SEAT UK would have put that in writing. 

Surely if VW Finance own a vehicle they could not say what they told you.

 

But then SEAT were putting cars out to Media Events that were not running the Factory Map & these were then sold through the Dealer Network with them back to the Factory Map.

 

We knew of the Turbo Failings, which was what threads at the time were all about and the Post i showed just before your reply was about.

 

The T&C's for the Manufacturers Warranty is very clear on factory software and hardware in the Warranty Exclusions as is the Skoda, VW & Audi T&C's.

 

It is different invalidating a warranty when someone owns a car and it is not on Finance or Leased and if the Warranty does not cover a failure it is their own responsibility to pay the bills.

When others own the car then making the Manufacturers Warranty invalid can be an issue.

Edited 24 May, 20215 yr by e-Roottoot