Anybody know which gearbox is fitted to the 2.0 Diesel 4x4 Karoq SEL.

Thanks

Do you mean Manual or dsg what ever you chose comes with both 

 I should have been clearer.  Which DSG is fitted is it the DQ 250 or the DQ 500?  in the Karoq 4x4

@Offski will surely know.

 

I know they are not DQ200's so all is good. 

I know you put your foot on the brake pedal choose, R, D or S and off you go happy in the knowledge they are not DQ200's.

Remember to get the Oil changed every 40,000 miles or sooner as those that work in a Dealership forget, forget to find out which box is which as well.

 

It is all there in the Online Brochures, obviously with Typo's sometimes because it is Skoda / VW that publish them.

Is it true that the current DQ200 cannot be implemented in a 4x4 at all?

13 hours ago, Channel said:

 I should have been clearer.  Which DSG is fitted is it the DQ 250 or the DQ 500?  in the Karoq 4x4

 

Is it the DQ381 ?

 

The DQ250 only has 6 gears, not 7

 

The DSG box fitted to the Karoq is a DQ500. Torque capable up to 600nm.

 

The shift programming is very harmoneous with the 2.0 TDI 4x4 set-up.

 

It was less harmonious in the 2.0 TSI 190 hp 4x4 T-Roc, where the 1-2-3 shifts were confusing in D- mode. Too early shifts up also did not fit the petrol engines torque curve, where the power is higher up the rpm range.

 

If Skoda uses the same programming as VW, I would not think that a 1.5 petrol 4x4 DSG would be as good as the 1.6 TDI version.

Surely the Software will be all changed as these vehicles now need to meet the emissions that WLTP have forced on the VW Group.

 

So what is now and what is delivered from now and after September might not change gear as and when one on the road now or in dealers now does.

Vorsprung Durch Technik, 

 build them to pass the tests, if that messes up the 'Real world driving on a road with the car loaded or under load tough luck!',

 

It is going to be interesting seeing just how the new models being produced actually drive.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp 

Edited 28 July, 20187 yr by Offski

4 hours ago, Offski said:

Surely the Software will be all changed as these vehicles now need to meet the emissions that WLTP have forced on the VW Group.

 

 

 

The WLTP is a changed procedure of measuring the economy and emissions from the vehicles. It will result in more realistic numbers than the current method. There is nothing said about actually changing the vehicles or their software - only reporting differently.

 

WLTP is not a revised regulation to be complied with, only a different way of measuring what is.

 

My take on this is that there will be no changes to the vehicles, only different statements of emissions and economy. Once measurements and certifications are complete, all existing, built vehicles and new ones can be shipped and registered.

The EU Test results with the way they were tested was not and is not achieving the Co2 g/km figures required for the vehicles and Taxation Classes.

 

If they just tested &  got the WLTP figures and then sold as they were they would be ridiculous. Implausible / irregular as their testing was.

So models, drivetrains dropped, combinations of trims dropped, petrols get GPF's.  1.6TDI Manuals get SCR, or dropped / discontinued.

 

And the 1.4 TSI / TFSI's go, the 1.4 TSI / TFSI Hybrids go.    In comes 1.5 TSI EVO's,

& new Engine Management of 1.0, 1.5, 2.0 TSI's becomes a requirement.  Power drops in some petrol engines from they were but are the same cc, just same hardware plus GPF, different software.

If a 2.0 TDI SCR Euro 6 as is / was with the old tests to the the new tests & to the required figures VW need to flog them then there would be no need to change them.

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx 

 

Pigs might fly.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp 

Edited 28 July, 20187 yr by Offski

While there may be different interpretations in different countries, these relate to taxation and not compliance with EU regulations.

 

The regulations state that:

 

1. New models as of 1. September 2018 must be in compliance based on WLPT.

 

2. Existing models must have WLTP figures shown, based on a calculation formula relating to the old testing procedure. This applies until 2021, where everything is based on WLTP.

 

The UK and other countries may naturally apply their taxation as they wish. The EU standards for fuel efficiency and emissions compliance do not change for existing models. In other words, a Karoq built after 1. September 2018 is in compliance if it was before and has not been changed enough to become "a new model". That is also what the two quoted links say.

 

We will soon see.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp 

VW, Skoda, Audi & SEAT will have all those vehicles they are going to be selling from September and getting First Registerd WLTP results published in the next 4-5 weeks, 

letting people know the figures for emissions and fuel consumption.

 

The Issue is that since September 2017 they were not getting the figures near the original EU test results or they would have had no issues getting them WLTP tested and having the figures published and approval.

 

As it is samples of VW's have been getting tested as they are imported to the UK since 2016. 

VW Group had to pay the UK Government for this. 

Type Approval / EU test figures once tested under the WLTP test were well off, hence changes to the VW Up GTI's Co2 g/km & fuel figures, 15% increase i believe it was.

 

 

 

Edited 29 July, 20187 yr by Offski

The discussion was about September 1. 2018.

Indeed, so not long to wait and see. 

See how soon the Petrols with GPF's are in the UK ready to register and deliver, that should be easy with the Mk3 Fabia 1.0TSI Face Lifts they were announced long ago, 

just not the WLTP figures.

 

As to the others all with WLTP figures ready for first registration in September obviously the 2nd biggest manufacturer of passenger cars i the world have all that in hand.

Thanks for the gearbox answer.  However, regarding the piece about WLPT I would be interested to know what qualifies as a new model.  My Karoq is the 2.0 diesel 4x4 SEL and was ordered in March but was stipulated for September delivery.  It turned up on the dockside in Grimsby in early June, it is now at the dealership.  I assume it would have been built in May.  Skoda headquarters tell me that is was tested under the NEDC system not the WLPT.  Therefore, from all I have read it should be sold by August 31st.  However, the dealership tell me that it can be sold on a 68 plate for reasons which i find difficult to obtain.  As the Karoq is a new model should it not have been tested under the WLPT system in the first place.?  Finally, alongside the Karoq info sheet we have EU6W, any ideas.?

I have no idea what the significance of "a 68 plate" is, but:

 

The Karoq is not a "new" model, as it was not changed, and it has been built and will likely be delivered before the 1. September. So there should not be any complications.

 

On the other hand, form commentary in this forum,  there seems to be a lot of irregular behavior from SUK and UK dealers, so ???

31 minutes ago, Agerbundsen said:

I have no idea what the significance of "a 68 plate" is

I too had to look that up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom

14 minutes ago, agedbriar said:

I too had to look that up:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_the_United_Kingdom

So, vehicles registered first half of 2018 are "18" plates and second half are "68" plates?

 

So, after 1. July 2018 it will be a "68" plate.

Thanks for the info.  A brief history of car number plates follows.  In the UK new registrations for cars changed to twice yearly in 1999.  Shortly after, in September the current format number plate was introduced, made up of three parts.  The first two letters show where the vehicle was registered.  The first represents the region and the second a local DVLA office ( Driver Vehicle Licensing Agency). The middle two number show the age of the vehicle down to a six month period- March to August or September to February, the age identifier changes on 1st March and on the 1st of September.  So in 2002 March the middle two numbers were 02 and in September 52.  We are now in 2018 so in March the middle two numbers were 18 and in a month or so time in September, the middle two numbers will be 68.  A typical number plate in September could look like this,  DS68ZXQ the last three letters are random and give a car a unique identity.

 

12 hours ago, Channel said:

  Finally, alongside the Karoq info sheet we have EU6W, any ideas.?

 

I think you asked the exact same question back in April and received a reply: 

 

On 28/04/2018 at 15:04, Channel said:

I notice that the EU6 figure for the Karoq diesel has a W at the end so it reads EU6W.  What  does the W mean, my current Octavia just has EU6

My local Skoda garage don't know.

 

On 28/04/2018 at 15:59, TheRobinK said:

From what I have seen, I think EU6 and EU6W are the same standard. They are now adding letters to "EU6" to separate the cars tested under the old and discredited NEDC tests from those tested and certified under the new and hopefully more realistic WLTP - RDE tests (WLTP = World Harmonised Light Vehicle Testing Procedure and RDE = Real Driving Emissions).

 

EU6W are EU6 cars tested  under the NEDC cycle (NEDC = New European Driving Cycle from 1997).  

 

EU6ZD are new models introduced since July 2017 that have WLTP approvals prior to those becoming mandatory in Sept 2018. 

 

EU6AD,  later EU6AJ, will be the ones used for cars that are tested and certified from September this year, which must be done under WLTP or they cant be sold.

 

 

 

It does not answer what the W means. If cars tested under the NEDC scheme which my September 68 plate is one Karoq is one ,why the W. It has nothing to do with the WLPT procedure  My car was ordered in March appeared in June and it will be on a 68 plate in September

Just get the supplying Dealership's Principal Dealer to confirm in writing that your car built in June will be First Registered for a 68 Plate Registration.

Or ask Skoda UK CS the same question.

http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us 

1 hour ago, Channel said:

It does not answer what the W means.

 

I couldn't find out what the "W" means beyond EU6W being used by Skoda for cars with engines certified under the old NEDC cycle.

 

That should mean that an EU6W cannot be registered from Sept 1st 2018 onwards. In the UK that would mean an "18" plate ( March 1st to end August 2018) would be mandatory?

 

I'd do what Offski says above.

 

The EU site on WLTP does have a paragraph that says "EU measures for end-of-series cars should allow for a limited number of unsold vehicles in stock that were approved under the old test (NEDC) to be sold the following year, that is until September 2019."

 

 

 

Thanks for all the information and advice.  Talking to the Skoda dealership regarding the registration, apparently there are some vehicles, mine appears to be one of them, that are under derogation.  Yes I got the dictionary out.  This means that any car under derogation receives an exemption or receives the benefit of a relaxation of the law.  So they do not have to be registered before September.