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58 minutes ago, Ronn said:

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Mr Skoffski

 

 A new EU law comes in 2020.

EVs are so quiet on the road that:

 

All EV's will have to carry a guy with a Trombone in the passenger seat to warn pedestrians.

Alternatively if you have no passenger to help then 1 tin of baked beans should do the job. Driver can blow their own trumpet.

[Ootohere]

The Artificial noise feature means no need to stick a playing card to hit the wheel spokes as you might have done on your push bile when a child, or even when older.

Not sure how it is a safety feature for deaf people who obviously can not hear so making a noise is a bit pointless, 

and if not that loud even 'hard of hearing' or those with something in their ears, plugs or wax will be no safer.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

It's getting so complicated now to choose what car to buy, I understand Universities are offering a 3 year course on explanation of all the Techno options that manufactures of EV vehicles offer. 

Certainly 90% of drivers will NEVER get their head round or, ever use the 'state of art' equipment these vehicles have, even though you have shelled out a premium price for the vehicle that contains all this stuff as standard.

Twenty to thirty year old male Tecno-Heads will love them.

After all, why travel anywhere in them, just sit in one on your drive and play with all the goodies!

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Ronn

[Ootohere]

@Ronn How many miles a year do you drive?

 

Really 60 year olds & over can get their heads around it if not a real mumpty.

They can figure that if the pay £60 a week anyway for a car and do 450-500 miles a week and pay £60 for fuel currently but get a car for £60-£70 a week and get free electric or even pay £20 for it then they might be doing OK.

 

Sometimes people just sit, and sometimes sit and think with open minds.

 

90% of people seems a figure that is picked at random for no particular reason. Is there any reason for picking that percentage rather than 98%?

Do you have a figure for the percentage or age for women with brains and an interest in tech, or just economics taking up EV ownership, or leasing, because i see a lot of females driving EV's.

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Advice to you Mr Skoffski.

 

BUY ONE!

 

You won't be happy until you do!

You're such a fan of EV so, you're bound to have done your homework and know which one you want.

So, smash open your piggy bank and march over to your chosen EV dealership with a big smile on your face and 'Fulfil your Destiny'.

You know you won't be happy until you do!

 

Then, after 6 months of analysis of the new toy, come back here and give use your conclusions so we can all gain from your experiences and then make our own judgements!

[Ootohere]

Dont be stupid, why would i buy one when i can lease one. 

Who wants to own the current crop of EV's in 4 years time?

 

?

Do you know just how many passenger cars in the UK are used for Business / Commercial use, or of those and private use are on finance or lease.

 

I will continue to have vehicles as keepers that i own, but that will not include an EV.

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

HaHa, 

 

You love them, but don't love them enough to buy one!

 

Lease one you say!

 

Well, I've never understood why a private buyer would ever consider leasing!

It's dead money to me, spending £200/£250 a month to dive a car then at the end waking away without owning a nut & bolt on it.

I can understand businesses leasing cars, they don't want to be bothered with owning and are prepared to pay a premium to be able to walk away at the lease!

But to me, it's never made sense for the private buyer.

 

My opinion on EV is a simple one.

 

1. EV is the future of motoring

 

But, because the development and improvement in EV is happening before our very eyes on a weekly/monthly basis, let the 'Guinea Pig' motoring public who ALWAYS have to have and own the latest thing, the attention seekers, buy them, whilst manufactures make EV's into a future viable proposition for us all. - it will happen in the next 10 years.

 

End Of!!!

 

[Ootohere]

@Ronn  I asked already, but you never answered.

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How many miles a year do you drive?  Is it just one car or vehicle that you have for the miles you do?

 

If i had £33,000 to pay cash on a car i would not and would do as i have always done, buy cars cheaply, add a premium and sell them,

but not a £33,000 car.   I stopped doing that a few years back after stopping dealing in cars.

 

This year i sold a car i have had from new for 17 years & another i had for eleven years and bought a 9 year old one to replace those,

so it is a keeper.

 

If you need a car or vehicle for business it is a tool of the trade. Even if not for business they can be a necessity, and a necessity to have a car that suits your needs, and a small cheap not very comfy car or an old one might not be what is required. 

 

It is is easy enough to buy a £10,000 car and run about in a £10,000 car if that is your want. Or any value of car, more or less.

15,000 miles in something not that comfy or economic. Or what you want to drive.

I have driven UPMIICitigo ASG's and they are a piece of crap, one of the worst automated manuals there has been produced after the SMART.

 

Many with Motability cars are spending £9,000- £10,000 plus over 3 years and walk away, or limp or wheel away, even paying hundreds or thousands advance payment.

£8.50 or more a day to have a under 3 year old car there to use as and when.   Insurance & Servicing included,

I have one.  I have had 10 over the years. 

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Well, I don't like driving around in what the trade calls 'Old Bangers'.

Although I do have a 2008 MX5 in my garage that I bought new and has NEVER been out on a rainy day, it only has 9,000 miles on the clock!

It's my Summer Car and is in pristine condition.

Of course, due to its age it's worth about 4/5 grand tops.

But, will NEVER be sold by me!

 

Other than my summer toy, I change my cars every 4/5 years just to keep my interest in new cars and so I don't have breakdown concerns to contend with.

I love my driving so I like to drive cars that still feel in 'as new' condition.

I'm waiting for my latest to be delivered, a Suzuki Swift SZ-5 Hybrid.

Can't wait to get behind the wheel and off to Devon in if.

[Ronn]

Mr Skoffski, regarding the £10,000 that people spend on Motorbility cars.

Isn't that a Government grant that disabled people get.

Isn't it a 'Hand Out'.

They don't have to find that money do they, out of their 'labours'.

[Ootohere]

So you are going to spend £16,000 or so, and then for every 500 miles pay about £55 in petrol.

if 15,000 miles a year that would be about £1,650.  x 3 around £5,000. 

Its all about what suits you.

 

 

As to 'Government grant',  Why would it be a Grant,  why a hand out? 

Do you get a pension, something you worked for and paid into get, something that people can get that never worked?

 

People of all incomes can get a Motability Car, it is regardless of working or not, many disabled work,

but yes a disability should be had by the person getting the benefit to then pay to get a car for their use, driving or being driven, children can be disabled,

or they can use the money for anything, shopping, smoking, gambling, holidays, or just getting by. 

 

It is a Benefit / Allowance.  Paid as DLA HR Mobility Allowance/ PIP. 

So like Free Child Care, Tax Credits, Pension Credits, Universal Credit, Pensions, Free Bus Passes, not free TV licences because BBC have to give them out now.

Winter Fuel Payment, Cold Weather Fuel payment.

 

I have never heard anyone that gets money paid to them from Benefits / Allowances / Universal Credit, Pensions Credits, Pensions say that the car they drive was received from a Government Grant because cash money is paid into a bank or post office from the DWP or HMRC.

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Mr Skoffski!

 

All benefits are FREEBIES, unless the Recipient has earned the 'benefit' by putting money into the communal Pot.

Mostly by paying National Insurance all there working life.

These people do not get 'benefits' - State Pension etc, because they have earned it by their contributions.

Remember, The State (any State), does not have money of its own, it's only the money that its Citizens hand over in Taxes & National Insurance contributions that allows the UK or ANY Nation to operate.

So, don't let any Politian tell you that the State Pension received by an individual who has worked all their life & paid Income Tax & National Insurance, is given by The State as a BENEFIT.

That is utter & complete BULLSH1T.

We & our forefather's have paid for it by our sweat & Labour!!!

 

Citizens who are unemployable or who cannot work due to disability & so cannot contribute to the State, are the unfortunate people who get the Benefits.

 

Thank God I'm not one of them!!!

[Ootohere]

I have no idea if in your working and earning life you paid more in tax or NI than you have received from birth to now from the NHS, Education and what you now get, but i doubt it.

Not many do.

My late father & his family paid in and never got back but my 94 year old mum that also put in is doing quiet well, more than she ever paid in and probably what you are getting as well from those that previous paid in and never survived to enjoy their contribution, and that are paying in now to see those that survive and pick up benefits, allowances and the Government Pension..

Edited 10 April, 2019 by Skoffski

[Ronn]

Mr Skoffski,

I am not deliberately concealing my yearly mileage but,

 

Seeing as you a pressing me on this point, why do you need to know this fact?

How is it relevent to anything I have said to you previously?

Please tell me and, if I agree it is relevent I will tell you me annual mileage.

If you decline to tell me why you need to know & the relevance of you'd question, I will not tell you because I would believe you you were just being nosey.

[Ootohere]

Not relevant, as you know a e-Citigo or any EV is not for you.   

But as to spouting off about what others do, it is a bit relevant.

[Ronn]

Mr Skoffski,

 

You don't need to know the answers any of the questions you pose!

 

Neither do I.

 

Knowing that a person has worked all their life & contributed Income Tax & N.I. during that period is good enough for me to know that they have earned their Pension.

And I believe, if should be good enough for you!!!

[Ronn]

Spout Off, Spout Off, Mr Skoffski?

 

All I do is state Facts!!!

[Ootohere]

If you were an employee on PAYE then you paid on income, and you worked for businesses and employers that contribute to the economy.

If you were self employed you maybe did the same, as to keeping others in food, drink and warmth from 32% tax or there abouts, and VAT paid i doubt you are paying towards the keep of the country. 

[Ronn]

 

As I said previously Mr Skoffski, the money the UK Government obtains for it's annual budget is obtained from the TAX PAYER.

 

The UK Government has not got money of its own, only the money that its Citizens contribute to the Exchequer.

So, off course my money, your money, everybody else's money pays for o towards Pensions, etc: and also Freebee Benefits.

 

I've taken this issue far enough now.

If you have anything else to say on this topic, you won't get a reply from me.

Otherwise, feel free to discuss any other topic with me, I'd be happy to oblige you. 

[domhnall]

just a picky pedantic point, none of us pays in to our own state pension. Today's taxpayers are paying the pensions of today's pensioners, those of us working today will have our pensions paid by the workers in employment at the time we come to draw our pensions. 

 

[Ronn]

Now tell us something we don't know - Please!

 

I used to work out the Pensions for my fellow work colleagues.

 

Did it for or years.

 

Without appearing rude towards you, don't try & teach your Granny to suck eggs! 

 

Thank you awfully Mr Skoffski!

 

 

[Ootohere]

@Ronn  Grannies in their late 30s early 40's that can afford to choose to drive EV's maybe with the good deal from the HMRC / general public paying taxes will maybe be paying towards your pension.

There will be older ones as well no doubt.  All the gear and enough of an idea.

[Gerrycan]

On 09/04/2019 at 22:26, Skoffski said:

My 1970's ,80's & 90's Fords were problem free, all automatics, only my 2002 Transit Durashift was a problem.

I really do not think about what some manufacturer did 3 or 4 decades back when getting a car.

If people did that, even thinking 1 decade back with VW Group they would never have got to be the biggest car manufacturer in the world.

But then 4 years back that was short lived when the Cheating was exposed.

 

KIA will be the best car manufacturer in the Czech Republic though, and maybe Hyundai in Slovakia and even though the EV's they are selling might not be to everyones liking they are available and not just something the media department spin about being available sometime maybe.

Being prepared to give a good length of warranty cover is nice, but which is something VW Group seem not prepared to do without it having to be paid for.

Agree with you that really ancient history is irrelevant in a new car purchase.

For what it is worth the very 2nd hand Anglia and Escort  I owned were reliable as was the (Australia) company supplied Ford Falcon, but I only had that for a year.

 

The Hyundai/Kia that I've owned/driven were not terribly enthralling. Let's just say that even my first Skoda a mk2 Octavia 1.9pd was a far more satisfying drive than any of those (personal opinion).

 

Just to provide a little hope to UK owners. Most major car manufacturers now either provide standard 5 or 7 year warranties here in Australia, even VW and Skoda do 5 year! The exceptions are the luxury brands eg BMW, Mercedes Land Rover/Jag etc.

[Gerrycan]

Coming back to the topic of an EV. 

Recent circumstances meant our 1.4tsi Octavia had a lot of successive individual 'cold start'  1km to 1.5km journeys through 40kmh zones 

The wife came in one night complaining of a bubbling sound which turned out to be a drowning exhaust. It just needed a longer run of course but it did emphasise how useful a PHEV capability is in a highly urbanised environment.

It is quite likely any new car I get will be at least a mild hybrid, preferably a PHEV but unlikely to be an EV unless battery technology becomes a lot cheaper and the cars more efficient.

 

I do like the concept of regenerative braking over that of friction brakes which I think are 'Jurassic' technology.

 

I am surprised there is not more of a cottage industry in offering electrification of existing small cars. Even if it meant taking out luxuries like air conditioning, we did manage without a/c for many years, not that the young folks today will believe it   Well Australian young folks anyway.

Edited 11 April, 2019 by Gerrycan

[domhnall]

1 hour ago, Gerrycan said:

Coming back to the topic of an EV. 

Recent circumstances meant our 1.4tsi Octavia had a lot of successive individual 'cold start'  1km to 1.5km journeys through 40kmh zones 

The wife came in one night complaining of a bubbling sound which turned out to be a drowning exhaust. It just needed a longer run of course but it did emphasise how useful a PHEV capability is in a highly urbanised environment.

It is quite likely any new car I get will be at least a mild hybrid, preferably a PHEV but unlikely to be an EV unless battery technology becomes a lot cheaper and the cars more efficient.

 

I do like the concept of regenerative braking over that of friction brakes which I think are 'Jurassic' technology.

 

I am surprised there is not more of a cottage industry in offering electrification of existing small cars. Even if it meant taking out luxuries like air conditioning, we did manage without a/c for many years, not that the young folks today will believe it   Well Australian young folks anyway.

 

PHEVs are less efficient than petrol cars and are apparently more polluting (due to having to lug around a lot of extra weight). They're also much more complex than an EV or a petrol car so maintenance costs when they get beyond warranty may prove to b ea nasty surprise for some. 

 

I replaced my 1.4 tsi Octavia with a pure electric Nissan Leaf. I really don't like a lot about the leaf and would much prefer to be in a Skoda, but the electric drive experience more than makes up for it. Make no mistake, as soon as VW produce a pure EV I'll be jumping ship but there is no way I would go back to a petrol car even if it is a petrol car with a big battery and an electric motor (that's a bit like being a vegan who eats bacon sandwiches at the weekend).