@thebrighton

Loads of renewables generation of electricity in Scotland and cities with charging infrastructure, and towns with hardly any EV's using the public chargers.

More need for EV's to be charged and able to store electricity and have it used in the grid as required.

There are 6 year interest free loans for EV's in Scotland and Low Emission Zones that will be up and running soon enough so if location location locations like East Sussex have no infrastructure that will be how it is, slow or unmotivated. Maybe that far south that it does not matter as the pollution blows North.

Some of us needs to be pioneer. We don't have petrol for ever. 

I agree with Emil. I’ve been keen to have a BEV and this one seems to tick most of my boxes - even down to the manual handbrake! The Seat equivalent, the Mii electric, is now available to order. This car will probably be available first to test drive. Seat are giving £500 deposit contribution on PCP of £199/month for 48 months (deposit £4399 - quite high). I would prefer to deal with ŠKODA and if their PCP is close and the car drives ok I will go for it. (It would be a second car for us I should add).

I just couldn't wait electric Skoda. I ordered Mii Electric the other day. Previous e-up! was so amazing that I trust Mii Electric is even better. 

Well done Emil! Did they give you an estimated delivery date? I think I’ll wait until I can get a test drive before I consider ordering.

@Emil

How much are they in Finland by the RRP?

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/474085-seat-mii-electric=£19300-in-the-uk-with-government-grant

 

Have been on Škoda chat to ask about when we can order/have a test drive. I was advised orders will open in Q1 2020 and test drives available near the end of Q1 2020. I will just have to be patient!

Estimated delivery month is May. Price is around 20k€ but government and importer gives 4000€ discount. So 16-17k€ if order is made in this year. They have sold quite many of these in couple of days. 

So, Emil has ordered a Electric Skoda Citigo. 

How much are they? 

I'd guess approx £17,000 or maybe more. 

And that's after the Goverment subsidy! 

Me thinks that's an awful lot of money for a city car? 

Be it Electric or Petrol. 

My advice to anybody is - don't jump in and buy an EV at the moment, in the next 3 to 5 yrs there's going to be more choice, better EV vehicles with greater range & relative to what you pay today, they will come down in price. 

 

One more thing, when the EV Nissan Leaf came out approx 10 yrs ago, it cost about £30,000 and had a range of approx 60 miles. 

The range between charges was awful, making the car almost unusable apart from going down the shops or the school run. 

You can now buy one of those early Nissan Leafs from about £6,000 second hand. 

My God, massive depreciation going on there. 

 

In general Ronn I agree with you re depreciation. However, looking at this size/type of EV see attached search result for an e-Up! I think these prices are a bit high but possibly indicate that a new Citigoe might not depreciate too badly. Also Hyundai has stopped taking orders for the e-Kona and I read in a blog that existing owners can make a profit if they sell their car to someone on the waiting list.

I only made a guess at the price of the new Electric Skoda. 

 

Judging by what their asking for these 4yr old & 6yr old e-ups & the lower mileage achievable between charges (they will be that old next year whan the Electric Citigo is widely availabe), the new Citigo maybe cost more than the £17,000 I estimated. 

 

However, the Citigo is only a very small car, the Hyundai e-Kona is probably the best EV that's been available at present (ignoring Tesla which is in another price dimension). 

The e-Kona is also far bigger car. 

TBH, of the volume manufactures, Hyundai 'know how' & experience in EV is recog ised to be 'world leading' or to coin one of the new hateful expressions, it's State of the Art. 

 

No surprise that Hyundai have closed the order book on the e-Kona, they probably can't keep up with demand. 

All other volume manufacturers (apart from maybe Renault/Nissan) are playing Catch-up. 

But catch up they will and maybe eclipse Hyundai in time. 

But, not yet!! 

 

I'm still convinced it's best to wait 3 to 5 years before making the plunge into EV. 

I'm confident the choice in 5yrs time will be phenomenal. 

Electric is great, but as with all things, early adopters pay a high price. Look at any recent new tech.

 

I'd be interested to see what it will cost to replace batteries on current (no pun intended) vehicles  - which in a few years may well be obsolete tech and out of production. It is not beyond belief that new electronics and cooling systems will be part of the cost of fitting new batteries. It will lead to car scrappage. It's still the wild west out there...

 

Also, it's easy to talk about total cost of ownership, which may be very good, but for a lot of people, the initial capital cost is an issue.

 

I really want an electric car, but with a better price, better mileage and some certainty about keeping it running for many years without unexpected "pay through the nose" bills.

 

I could have waited a while but I took the decision to buy one more (new)  ICE car in August, and see how it goes.

 

I am a retired guy living in Cornwall and only need to do short trips (7-8k miles max  a year) but I also need to visit family - which means several hundred miles each way, and I want to be able to drive, say to the Algarve, where I used to live, every so often. Say 1200 miles each way. And I don't want to have mess about planning long-ish charging stops enroute. When getting off the ferry in Spain with my petrol Citigo, I will only need one fill and one overnight stop to get to the far South, "beating the Germans to the beach" as they used to say. 

 

Maybe electric will do it for me in 5 years... I hope so - I really don't want to keep giving my cash to the Middle East or Russia for fuel. Off shore British wind or tides have more appeal, not to mention pollution*

 

*I just read that VAG petrol engines of late all have particulate filters, like all diesels, as well as the now-old cats, so a recent Citigo is really not too bad on nasty stuff.

 

Edited 7 November, 20196 yr by freemansteve

It's European governments that are pushing EV for the sake of the environment (they say). 

 

So, its them who should be footing the bill to get us into Electric. 

 

I have no time for this idea if transferring guilt onto the motorists when it's the Government's in Europe who are accelerating the change. 

 

They gave to bank roll this EV technology to get us itho EV. 

 

If not, I just not interested!!! 

I'm still waiting for a European Government to take VW to court over the emissions scandal. 

 

Not one European Government has got the ****** to do it! 

 

So much for the EU!!! 🙁

Can't you see that electric car is nice and easy to drive? It is also quite fast but still quiet. It is also cheap to use. First service after 36 months or 18k miles. 

I've heard that some people still needs 2 water taps. One for cold water and one for warm water. Even though there is one tap with thermostat for both available. 😉

 

Petrol engine is just so old invention. We just need more modern ways to move. 

3 hours ago, Emil said:

I've heard that some people still needs 2 water taps. One for cold water and one for warm water. Even though there is one tap with thermostat for both available. 😉

 

Petrol engine is just so old invention. We just need more modern ways to move. 

Nobody here would dispute that, but I, for one, remember a time before thermostatic mixer taps and when they first arrived, they were unaffordable and not that good, but then became mainstream! Same with mobile phones.  We need young people to be 'bleeding edge' and spend their money first, and others will follow!

On 07/11/2019 at 22:19, Emil said:

Can't you see that electric car is nice and easy to drive? It is also quite fast but still quiet. It is also cheap to use. First service after 36 months or 18k miles. 

So what, so is my petrol Citigo. It's also fast and quiet enough. It's also cheap to run and insure and doesn't come with such a high up front cost when buying. and who knows what costs servicing will eventually incur especially when the battery starts to lose its edge as all rechargeable batteries do.

I am also very skeptical of claimed range as manufacturers have a habit of lying and tests are done in laboratory conditions, not real life. The VW group claim 180 miles but for the next few months I would be driving to work in the dark and returning home in the dark where it is cold and raining. I reckon the claimed range will be hit when it's constantly used with lights on, wipers going and heater on.

EV's are the future but the technology isn't there yet and manufacturers are using us as gineapigs to do all the testing for them and pay for the privilege. An electric Citigo will not make my life easier or most cost effective in any way. That may not be the politically correct reason for switching to electric but will be the deal breaker for most despite what they claim regarding climate change.

I've driven in a Tesla and yes it's quiet as move off but once up to speed the noise levels in the cabin are no different to a petrol car. 

That is because modern petrol engines are Extremy quiet in cruise conditions, nearly all the  noise you hear is Road Noise transmitted through the Tyres & Suspension. 

 

In an EV yo still get the Road Noise. 

So believe me, the noise in the cabin are no different from EV to Petrol. 

I think most new purchasers of EV's will be most disappointed at this fact. 

EV's simple ain't quiet inside the cabin at cruising speeds! 

And that's a fact!!! 

@Ronn

 

Go try an e-tron. 

Every vehicle is different but on most cars the biggest noise source internally and externally are the tyres and road surface and increasingly so as speed rises.

Most modern engines are barely discernable unless they are designed with 'sporty' exhausts, to the extent that suitable engine noises are either artificially manufactured or 'piped' into the cabin. Aston Martin, Jaguar and Maserati, to name but a few, live by the sound their vehicles emit.

I recently drove new a Tesla S and a new VW golf (1.4tsi, DSG) back to back at urban speeds and, remarkably, they were both comparably subdued during acceleration and cruise. The VW was exceptional for the type though and a colleague who also drove it confirmed my opinion it was far better than the average VW.

Driving new Mazda 3 with SkyActive petrol engines have very obvious and unattractive engine noise, sounding (to my ears)  'tinny' and with diesel like 'knock' sounds from the high compression rations they use.

I don't expect a small EV to be sophisticated or quiet, but I do expect relative lower purchase and running costs and even range compared to a larger EV.

I really do love the usual hybrid/phev/ev feature of regenerative braking but the price point and tech is not quite there for me yet. Especially as there is little financial incentive available in Australia.

Edited 10 November, 20196 yr by Gerrycan

Once you try electric car you may understand what I'm talking about when I say "quiet". 

1 hour ago, Emil said:

Once you try electric car you may understand what I'm talking about when I say "quiet". 

I've been in a number of electric cars and, yes, they're quiet when sitting at traffic lights but then again so it my Citigo with start stop. Otherwise no noticeable difference at all and especially not enough to justify the cost of the car and limited range.

As I've already said EV's are the future but they are nowhere near there yet.

 

Taxis drivers and firms using EV's and delivery / courier drivers would disagree.

Leasing a £35,000 BMW i3 can work for some, or Tesla, Leaf, NV200's, e-Niro's etc.

Cheap on fuel, good on incentives from the Government, HMRC & energy (Electricity) providers.

Utility Companies used Citigo for meter readers transport because Skoda 'Quoted them happy', lets see how many Up!MiiCitigo EV's are out for fleet users when the production can catch up with orders from those that are near to RRP payers.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/16/dundee-green-revolution-charging-hubs-electric-cabs-scotland

 

 

I've read all about the new Skoda EV & watched all the vids. 

Still no Satnav included even though its a £17,000+ car. 

I'd also expect all the rest of the electronic 'goodies' on the vehicle for that price, like auto dipping headlights, etc. 

 

It seems to me its aimed at the 'Old F**ts' brigade. 

Those of us in God's Waiting Room. 

So, although I'm 73, I won't be buying one

I want something that appeals to a younger audience, say 30/40yr olds. 

 

VW/Skoda are attempting to live off the back of the success of its Petrol Powered Sister to get the sales. 

Although some Pensioner 'brand loyal' will buy the new Citigo EV, I can't see it being a great sales success.