Hi guys

I have a problem which I am nkt sure what it could be.

 

My car is an octavia 1.6 diesel dsg auto and has done about 86000 miles. It has been running perfectly fine until last night when I stopped in the parking space and then when i come back and started it and put it in drive it will only show D and not D1 as normal and then GEARBOX ERROR appeared.

I did notice that sometimes in D3 my car revs a bit longer to change to D4 than normal but didnt think nothing of it.

 

I had an obd2 adaptor and it gave me an error code P0841. 

 

Can someone guide me what could it be or am I in for a hedty shock

 

Thanks a million.

Edited 17 September, 20187 yr by shoji147
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Mine also started to have a slow engagement of 4th.  I also had the Error leave gearbox in P message that is a common problem.

 

So far the dealers have changed Gear Lever, Clutch Pack and Mechatronic and it still isn't fixed. That's around £5000 worth of parts/labour.

 

I get an update today.

 

Lee

Mine just says gearbox error and looking up code on web says it is transmission fluid pressure sensor circuit switch A error which I have no clue

hope i am not looking at about 5k for it to be fixed.

 

You need to get it into a specialist for it to be properly investigated. Indeed the error code description is:

 

Transmission Fluid Pressure Sensor/Switch A Range/Performance

 

It could just be a sensor, it could be an issue with the fluid level, or it could be something else. On the face of it, it doesn't sound like it's on the scarier side of DSG fault codes.

Thanks for the comforting message bro.

I have been parked outside the garage since 3am waiting for them to open.

See what happens

Do not go near a Specialist or anyone else voiding a warranty, or Skoda's need to fix it,

before finding out that after Service Campaign '34H5' on DQ200 DSG's 2013-2015 because of pressure issues, a software update

and now TPI's that again have a Software Update and changed Clutch Plates, if your car needs this.

http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us 

Thanks guys for the help.

It turns out that mechatronics box is gone. I got a friend to have a look and upon exposing the bottom of car and the top of gearbox, we found leakage and also the black cover on the mechatronics box was bent as if something from inside hit it really hard and pushed it out causing oil leak and error with no transmission working.

 

My question is that can a software issue cause an item to break or was it just a bad luck for me that it happened out of the blue because i am told by skoda that there is an update pending on my car 34H5 which relates to issues with pressure in dsg transmission and it will be done free of cost from any dealer but if its not the cause of the problem then I have to pay.

 

Just wanted to know where i stand

Thanks

Heck that doesn't sound good!

 

I believe from reading up on this 34H5 reduces the pressure of the internals which the mechatronics uses to move the gears.  The high pressure in some cases has caused the DSG to leak and I guess in turn this could damage the internals say if the pressure was too low for example.

 

What Skoda main dealer history do you have? Any warranty? What was the previous history of the car, many owners, many service receipts?

 

 

 

Skoda service history until nov 2016. Only one lady owner from new so I am the second owner mate. 

Can the pressure cause the housing to come loose hence the leak because if this is the case then I might have a slight glimmer of hope that I  might be given the benefit of the doubt.

Yes, why there was the need for '34H5',   did your car need that or get it.  As it is speak to Skoda.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/422718-rapid-recall-dsg

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/432730-oil-leak

 

There are Pinned Threads in the General Servicing section, & threads in the Sections of Skoda Models with the DQ200, 

so Fabia, Rapid, Octavia & Superb.  (newer models ie Kodiaq or Karoq yet to have theirs.)

So it is known issues, known by Skoda, VW, SEAT & Audi.

 

Edited 17 September, 20187 yr by Offski

As Offski mentions, best give Skoda UK customer services a call and see if your car required any fixes and see if they can confirm if they were done or not.

 

Could be worth calling the last dealer it was serviced at to ask that too.

 

Nothing in the skoda service history for any recalls/campaigns? Any stickers in the boot/spare wheel well relating to anything?

 

I am not sure how much of a problem the high pressure issue is, though the more I read the more issues seem to crop up.  Seems to be one of the main killers of the mechatronics from what I can see.

 

 

 

The problem was cracks and leaks and MCU failures.   So exactly as the OP seems to have.

Hi guys just been to dealer to drop car off for diagnosing and asked them to check the 34H5 update and they confirmed that it is still not been performed on the car yet, so i asked them that this failure may have been caused by this neglection of the update, to which they said they cant say until they have looked at the car.

 

Any advice from here on please?

Have you opened a call with Skoda UK? Certainly worth getting a call logged and a reference number. State what has happened and how much history and when it was last serviced at a main Skoda dealer etc.

 

See if you can get comms open to sorting a good will payment should this turn out to be an expensive repair.  I guess if the main dealer missed any updates whilst the car was serviced you might have a chance. If the car has not been to a Skoda dealer since late 2016 it might be more of a problem.

 

 

 

Forget 'Goodwill' if a Dealership / Employee was incompetent and the car was in and they never checked for it and Service Campaigns , Recalls or TPI's.

Love to know what they are going to check to see if '34H5' not being carried out was not part of the cause.

Just that there are no leaks.  VW Group had to come up with preventative measures like Software Updates because they knew how many failures were occurring.

 

'34H5' was being done because a service campaign from late 2016 & early 2017.

So has the car been in for Servicing at a Main Dealership since then and no Recall Action taken?  

 

If so then not 'Simply Clever',  as it is Skoda are paying for the repair, if the Dealership that failed are charged by them who knows.

 

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

What a shame '34H5' never showed up here.   

'3475' did for some, not all. and sometimes wrongly.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/425424-2017-another-dq200-dq200-7-speed-dsg-service-campaign

 

Edited 18 September, 20187 yr by Offski

Last time this car went at a dealership was on 12 sep 2016. I bought it 5 months ago from a private dealer in manchester.

Problem then, because there was no Recall, 

but still DQ200 you have not fit for purpose, known Design, Manufacturing, Material or Software failing, and Skoda knew.

 

People have had good outcomes, some not so good.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/454402-mechatronic-unit-failure-and-more

 

 

People are ****3d off at me repeating daily and weekly the same warnings,  but there is a reason why,  VW / Skoda do not, and people are getting screwed over.

 

 

Two weeks ago my Octavia 1.6 TDI SE (7 speed dry clutch) was driving along when a gearbox error sign appeared.  I stopped at red traffic light and when it went changed to green the car would not move.  No warning at all prior to this.  Turns out after getting the car recovered to Skoda dealership that the gearbox has ceased and I need a new gearbox which Skoda have quoted me £5,500 for!!  I have since transported the car to another garage and had a second opinion which confirms that the gearbox has ceased and needs full replacement.  I'm in the process of looking for a reconditioned gear box as a cheaper alternative to Skoda's ridiculous quote.  Before I commit to a reconditioned gearbox, I wanted to explore the option of contacting Skoda UK to see if the recall for the service update might have had anything to do with the failure of the unit without any warning.  Anyone else experienced this?  Has anyone else had any luck contacting Skoda to see if the recall is the cause of the issue as the software has not been updated.  The car has only done 67,000 miles.  Surely a gearbox should last a lot longer than that.  

These expensive bills with these DSG cars really puts me off buying one. I understand there are thousands of vehicles running ok. I nearly bought a second hand Passat with one in but when I asked what warranty was on the DSG box they said if its clutch related its classed as a consumable and wouldn't be covered..... as with other consumables. Fare enough but leaves the door open to saying the clutches have gone. I decided not to buy the car which really drove well. On the way back to my car I passed the work shop entrance I saw 4 used DSG units up against the wall. Were these the only ones to have gone wrong ? 

1 hour ago, benterrier said:

These expensive bills with these DSG cars really puts me off buying one. I understand there are thousands of vehicles running ok. I nearly bought a second hand Passat with one in but when I asked what warranty was on the DSG box they said if its clutch related its classed as a consumable and wouldn't be covered..... as with other consumables. Fare enough but leaves the door open to saying the clutches have gone. I decided not to buy the car which really drove well. On the way back to my car I passed the work shop entrance I saw 4 used DSG units up against the wall. Were these the only ones to have gone wrong ? 

 

I've ran seven DSG cars since 2008 and I do 20k miles a year.

 

I've not had a single issue with a wet clutch box and one of my old Passat's is now owned by my Father in Law. It's done 120k miles in nine years and has been faultless.

 

But I've also had four dry clutch DQ200  DSG's and three of them have had issues. Fabia had clutch judder, clutch pack replaced under warranty. Yeti had clutch slip but I returned it at end of lease without getting it sorted. Octavia had clutch slip and gear lever error, under warranty it's had two clutch packs, mechatronic and two gearleavers. That's well over £5k's worth of work.

 

I would not have an issue owning a wet clutch box as long as it''s been serviced correctly but a dry clutch box out of warranty? Not a chance.

 

Lee

Hi 

Are these wet clutch DSG units  more reliable than the dry ones then. I know to guys that have them in their firms caddy vans....  2 litre long wheelbases and they rave over them. Of course they don't have any fear of expensive repair bills, their always telling me to get a DSG. What year vehicles did the wet clutch come in.... How do you tell a wet from a dry,? 

VW Manual Gearboxes go wrong and are expensive to fix too.

My mates Up has just gone at 30,000 miles, 6 years old. No goodwill to get it fixed but a very generous PX against a Beetle Convertible.

16 hours ago, benterrier said:

What year vehicles did the wet clutch come in.... How do you tell a wet from a dry,? 

For Skoda Octavia mk 3, Wet clutch are on 2.0 TDI and VRS.

 

I'm 100% sure for the 2.0 TDI because that's what I have, I specifically avoided dry-clutch 1.6 TDI. I am pretty sure all VRS are wet-clutch DSG.

If anyone is interested in the technical side of each application (Wet/Dry) clutches, it is simply this.

The wet clutch is cooled by the gearbox oil, meaning it can handle more power without over heating. The downside is,, as the clutch wears, friction material mixes with the oil so the oil and gearbox oil filter has to be changed at fixed intervals.

The dry clutch is simply cooled like a normal manual clutch by airflow. The downside with the dry clutch is in hot countries the clutch can over heat when ambient air temps are high.  The upside being no oil changes required.

 

IMHO the problem is not the occasional failure, but the ludicrous prices for the parts. £750 for the selector assembly (Leave vehicle only when in park error)  The fault is caused by a switch that will cost about 20 pence to make. But it is not available as a spare part.

That repair should be costing about £75 including labour. Mechatronic unit failures are mostly the oil pump, again N/A as a spare part, so that will be £1500 thank you. £5000 for a gearbox, that is quite simply a manual gearbox is just a total rip off IMHO.

 

Engineering skills have been dumbed down to a modular level, with a diagnostic machine used to determine the fault. Cars are becoming discard-able items like everything else these days. They are built to be as cost effective as possible with no regard to spare parts availability for module individual parts, and certainly not for ease of access to some parts.