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DSG Clutch Wear

Houthakker
in Skoda Octavia Mk3 (2013 - 2020)

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I've got a 63 plate 1.6 Mk3 with the 7 speed DSG box and its coming up to 65k miles.

Love the DSG box for driving and have never had a problem with it (touches wood)

 

Forgive my ignorance of the DSG but does a DSG clutch wear like you would expect a traditional clutch to need a new plate and bearing after so many miles? 

If so what sort of mileage could I expect to get out of before requiring what I guess would be an expensive job to replace.

 

Thanks in advance

 

It will eventually need replacing. Not as easy as a traditional clutch though, more work and specialized tools required. It really depends on how you drive. Off the top of my head the three big causes of wear are hard launches, using the clutch to hold on a hill and edging in traffic.

 

First is easily avoided by ignoring any desire you might have to get off the line as quickly as possible.

Second, just use your brake when you need to stop on a hill.

Third, If you're in traffic, come to a stop using the brake and wait until you have enough space in front of you to justify moving at the cars minimum speed (so as to not slip the clutch, typically at least 5mph).

Your Clutch Packs should not be wearing and could be good for the same miles again, 

but,

Has you DQ200 been one that should have had the Service Campaign '34F7' 2009-2013, the Synthetic Oil changed to Mineral & a Softwere update, 

started May 2014.  Done free.   

or 

Service Campaign '34h5' a Software update on some DQ200 DSG 2013-2015.  Done Free.    If either is done there should be a sticker in the spare tyre well beside the Build Sticker, or a main dealership can tell you, or Skoda UK customer services.

http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

'34F7' if needing done might show here and if '34H5' needs doing it might not.

I always come to a stand, foot on the brake. Handbrake on and stick the gearstick in neutral so the revs die off and the cars not pulling. 

 

Not it sure if that does any contribution to wear and tear but it naturally feels like your giving the car a rest on the dsg. 

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    37 minutes ago, EddGee said:

    I always come to a stand, foot on the brake. Handbrake on and stick the gearstick in neutral so the revs die off and the cars not pulling. 

     

    Not it sure if that does any contribution to wear and tear but it naturally feels like your giving the car a rest on the dsg. 

     

    I would think if you're completely stopped with the handbrake on, the TCU should completely disengage the clutch, so that you don't need to put it into neutral.

     

    Don't some DSGs have problems with selector switches breaking? Swapping between D and N will just add wear to your selector switch.

     

    edit: I did some reading and apparently the gearbox ecu isn't smart enough to read the handbrake switch signal and disengage the clutch....

    Edited by ian_feel_keepin_it_reel

    6 minutes ago, ian_feel_keepin_it_reel said:

     

    I would think if you're completely stopped with the handbrake on, the TCU should completely disengage the clutch, so that you don't need to put it into neutral.

     

    Don't some DSGs have problems with selector switches breaking? Swapping between D and N will just add wear to your selector switch.

     

    I have a VRS with a DSG6 and the clutches don't disengage at rest.

     

    I believe the DSG 7 disengages clutch when you are in D but press the brake enough. You will see the revs drop down to idle.  

     

    If you just gently press the brake the DSG keeps the clutches engaged ready to pull forward.  

     

    If I keep it in D but put the handbrake on it will fight the handbrake and try to pull forward with it on.  So if I want to stop with my foot off the brake I will need N gear for that. Then handbrake on of course.

     

    Edited by Plantman

    In sport mode the revs don’t drop at all so it’s pulling all the time no matter how far the brake pedal is pressed. 

     

    Doesnt feel right having handbrake and D at the same time. 

     

    The selcector is designed for millions and applications so if it wears it’s no drama.

     

    Better than have the engine ready with handbrake on surely? 

    As for wear, I expect one of the clutch packs will wear first, but at which time you would be better off replacing both.

     

    I've monitored the temperatures of the clutches via VCDS and one is always much hotter than the other.  Not worked out which one that does yet, whether it be the 1 3 5 7 or the 2 4 6 gear clutches.

    You drive as you want too.  if the car and gearbox is not up to a couple of hundred thousand miles with Servicing and maintenance then they are crap.

     

    DQ200 DSG has no Servicing and maintenance guidelines or schedules.

     

    Comparing a DQ200 7 Speed twin dry clutch DSG with a 6 or 7 speed wet clutch DSG is comparing apples and pears.

    Both are Automated Manual boxes though.

    Edited by Offski

    14 minutes ago, Plantman said:

    As for wear, I expect one of the clutch packs will wear first, but at which time you would be better off replacing both.

     

    I've monitored the temperatures of the clutches via VCDS and one is always much hotter than the other.  Not worked out which one that does yet, whether it be the 1 3 5 7 or the 2 4 6 gear clutches.

     

    Clutch 1 is 1,3,5,7 and Clutch 2 is 2,4,6, R

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    Thanks for advice guys, and I'll check the boot - see if there is a sticker about the software update. I do tend to stick it into neutral when I stop as I found it was fighting the brake, so hopefully the clutches have quite a bit of life left in them.

     

    11 hours ago, Offski said:

    Your Clutch Packs should not be wearing and could be good for the same miles again, 

    but,

    Has you DQ200 been one that should have had the Service Campaign '34F7' 2009-2013, the Synthetic Oil changed to Mineral & a Softwere update, 

    started May 2014.  Done free.   

    or 

    Service Campaign '34h5' a Software update on some DQ200 DSG 2013-2015.  Done Free.    If either is done there should be a sticker in the spare tyre well beside the Build Sticker, or a main dealership can tell you, or Skoda UK customer services.

    http://skoda.co.uk/about-us/contact-us

    http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions

    '34F7' if needing done might show here and if '34H5' needs doing it might not.

    Just out of interest, I read that these clutches are hydraulically operated.  Do they still have a release bearing like a manual clutch?  Can anyone point us to a video or diagram of how they work?

    Thanks in advance

    Stewart7

    Google dq200 ssp

    So which DSG system do I have in my 245 vRS?

     

    Its 7 Speed that’s about all I know :blush:

    Edited by EddGee

    1 minute ago, EddGee said:

    So which DSG system do I have in my 245 vRS?

     

    Its 7 Speed that’s about all I know :blush:

     

    DQ380

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    Keep the stop/start enabled,  then nothing is pulling or wearing out.  No need to faff about with the handbrake or shifting into N & then back into D

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    You are correct with that, but I don't like to sit at the lights for any length of time with my foot on the brake so it shines into the eyes of the driver behind. Stick it park and foot off, only takes a second.

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    A timely topic, a guy in my office currently has his 2014 Audi RS4 in the garage getting new clutch plates after 46k miles! I believe that's the 7 speed variant I believe, audi have paid about 80% towards it. First diagnosis was a new box at £10k-£12k ouch!

    1 hour ago, Houthakker said:

    You are correct with that, but I don't like to sit at the lights for any length of time with my foot on the brake so it shines into the eyes of the driver behind. Stick it park and foot off, only takes a second.

    I agree - I was taught that you should use the handbrake or Park "when a pause becomes a wait" i.e. after a few seconds.

    3 hours ago, ExSEAT said:

    A timely topic, a guy in my office currently has his 2014 Audi RS4 in the garage getting new clutch plates after 46k miles! I believe that's the 7 speed variant I believe, audi have paid about 80% towards it. First diagnosis was a new box at £10k-£12k ouch!

     

    Jesus. My worst nightmare. 

     

    Thats the problem with those sort of cars secondhand. 

     

    Track days and thrashing. 

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    1 minute ago, EddGee said:

     

    Jesus. My worst nightmare. 

     

    Thats the problem with those sort of cars secondhand. 

     

    Track days and thrashing. 

    If only that was the case, this is a 46 year old guy who has had the car from brand new. No track days involved or any thrashing beyond pushing the accelerator down with his foot now and then.

     

    They are replacing the clutch pack but I'm not convinced it's not the mechatronic bit. He is due to pay it off in less than a week or sell it back to them. He wants to keep it, I'd probably chuck it back at them.

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