ah, no free 22 or 50 charger time then, thought that sounded too good 😄

Maybe some places like the dude in the Tesla charging free and paying for parking. 

 

Perth & Kinross Council has started today charging 35 pence a kWh and £10 overstay after 60 minutes.

 

That might cut down on the charger hoggers that abandon cars on whatever charger. 

Hopefully also the maintenance of chargers will improve and they will not be out of service foe weeks or months. 

Edited 1 January, 20233 yr by toot

20 hours ago, Luckypants said:

How come your "free" AC charging cost £4?

As toot said, £4 is home charging before leaving and after back to similar percentage. Not including AC charging near the museum. That translates to 53.3 kWh, out of 80 kWh used.

 

Let's be honest, it would be foolish to charge at home and NOT get on time-of-use tariffs if at all possible. Currently best deal is 10p/kWh EV tariff with compatible car/charger, or 12p/kWh without.

 

 

Edinburgh airport park and ride.  Max charge time before penalty 30 mins.    2 rapid chargers not starting, a Tesla Y plugged into a charger and not charging and the other 2 occupied.  After 20 minutes I got on a charger.  23.4 kWh was £8.19.   35 pence a kWH and that takes me 70 miles.  Need to use the charger again tomorrow twice to have enough charge to get home.  Nearest PodPoint rapid is 50 pence a kWh now. 

I am sitting charging at Edinburgh Airport.  Crap efficiency at near freezing and an extra 15 mile diversion getting here so I am on the first charge of 30 minutes on a 50 kW charger, then I will move to another as it is a £30 overstay.  I will use a Card to start the next charger.   So next to me someone had put there Jag on the AC on the rapid charger.  Still 30 mins max charging.  They have been 5 hours 47 mins when I got here and taken in 63 kWh at 35 pence a time, plus the £30 penalty.   It is only money.   They could have been on the many 7 kW chargers with a 12 hour max charge time.    Once I get away from here I hope to get 100 miles and 40 mins charge before bed so not without range tomorrow or stuck getting on a charger early on. 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

I'm amazed at your tenacity, although I suppose you don't always have much option. 

Food and accomodation paid from what is not being paid buying liquid fuel.  100 minutes charging tonight and 40 minutes tomorrow that needs paid for but I will have a few free sessions tomorrow. So about £15 for 480 miles is ok.  All the time in the world and almost a full moon.   Plane I am waiting on about to land then off I go. 

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by toot

My time is worth more than a slight fuel saving cost. That may change once I retire, of course  

2.40am and on a free charger for another 20 minutes.   TPMS warning just 1/2 mile before I stopped and I hope it is not the tyre that was plugged yesterday and if it is it stays up till morning.  Another charger in a very very dark place and with no shelter, but that is how many are in Scotland, at least it charges at a good speed.  Just as long as it does not cut out. 

 

Barsteward in blue BMW locked into the single rapid I used during the night for over an hour and at 100%.  60 minutes here now on the 7kW AC and they have never come back. Now got enough charge to get 120 miles then a 40 mins on a Rapid before heading home tonight.   Free chargers, no time limit and just pure ignorance with many. 

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by toot

I'd get a V8 and lower your stress levels  

I had those and big LPG tanks and travelled lots towing for much cheapness. 

I have a 3.2 diesel 4x4 for when i went to roll coal. 

 

So Stirling Park & Ride might have a 40 minute max charge time which is fair enough,  but not when the 50kW is only putting out 26 kW even hooking up with only 25% in the battery.

So i came off that and went on another and got a quicker charge but had to start that charger using my card as a Debit Card never worked.

A minute over the 40 mins combined but i got enough of a charge.

Edited 9 February, 20233 yr by toot

12 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

I'd get a V8 and lower your stress levels  

 

But then again ...........

As world's atmosphere has more CO2 ICE cars will produce less power but as it warms up Lithium batteries perform better and better. UK now averages over 10C......

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It is now possible to confirm that 2022 was the UK’s hottest year on record, with an average temperature of over 10°C recorded for the first time.   2022 was also the warmest year on record in the 364-year Central England Temperature (CET) series from 1659, the world’s longest instrumental record of temperature.

 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/long-range/forecasts/co2-forecast 

 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/climate-change-drives-uks-first-year-over-10c#:~:text=Study shows human induced climate,recorded for the first time.

18 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

But then again ...........

As world's atmosphere has more CO2 ICE cars will produce less power but as it warms up Lithium batteries perform better and better. UK now averages over 10C......

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It is now possible to confirm that 2022 was the UK’s hottest year on record, with an average temperature of over 10°C recorded for the first time.   2022 was also the warmest year on record in the 364-year Central England Temperature (CET) series from 1659, the world’s longest instrumental record of temperature.

 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/seasonal-to-decadal/long-range/forecasts/co2-forecast 

 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/about-us/press-office/news/weather-and-climate/2023/climate-change-drives-uks-first-year-over-10c#:~:text=Study shows human induced climate,recorded for the first time.

 

 

I think you miss the point of a V8

 

a V8 = happiness which in turn lowers stress

 

(which has the side effect of people produce less heat and so it helps save the planet)

A car from Motability was pretty stress free for lots of people.

Sign over about £63 a week (going to £71) and get a new car every 3 years

. No VED, no insurance or servicing or repairs to pay, no MOT's, & nothing  other than a £75 excess with an insurance claim and fuel,

you even get money back if returned in a good condition.

Then EV's were available and they even installed a home charger. 

 

Now with public charging costing as much or more than some of the more economic cars on offer with nil or no advance payment the EV's might not make much sense.

Then as much as there is talk of accessible public chargers for those with disabilities it is fiction.

 

So there are more limit choices of affordable EV's from Motability and the low or nil advance payments ones have smaller batteries so less range which really means charging required more often. 

 

Personally after this car goes back i will opt out of having an EV for a year or 3.

I will probably extend the lease as i paid a high advance payment and i can still charge it cheap locally if i need to and for a reasonable cost away from home.

The issue that causes the bl00d pressure to rise is the ignorance of many that like to just take their car to free or less than the home tariff for charging and leave their car until they decide to collect it again. 

 

I am tight and greedy, but while playing the game i am with the car while charging on Rapids and ready to stop charging and lets others do so.

The if still need more of a charge use a slow chargers to get the last 10 or even 20% of a charge if a full battery is required. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 11 February, 20233 yr by toot

This week I have been using public chargers which are 23 pence a kWh.   I am getting 3.5 miles to a kWh.   40 kW is costing me £9.20 and I am getting 140 miles for that.   I have had some sessions sitting on a Tesco PodPoint charging for free 15 minute charges which reduces the cost per mile.   I am on a 50 kW charger now and started it when I had a low battery and was getting 52 kW.  This is unusual in my experience of Angus Council and the SWARCO chargers they install.    This is one of the cheapest Council areas that are charging to charge.  That must be the majority now.   35 pence a kWh is now common. 

 

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The 8,600 mile for around £200 was really pretty good, as there were thousands more miles done free, but some miles paid other ways than on a CPS account at higher pence per kWh. 

That is based on the 3.1 miles a kWh i have had long term.

 

Edited 17 February, 20233 yr by toot

1 hour ago, toot said:

 I am getting 3.5 miles to a kWh.   40 kW is costing me £9.20 and I am getting 140 miles for that. 

6.6p per mile is still cheap motoring though. My home tariff is 22p and I'm getting 3.2 ish miles / kWh at the moment, so about 6.9p per mile. Compared with a similar diesel, which would be 16p / mile that's cheap. I can see EV costs going up, but still works out  cheap compared to ICE. Yesterday I charged at a client's office for 8 hours @ 50p an hour. Worked out that I paid about 7p a kWh for what the car took, which is super cheap.

15 hours ago, Luckypants said:

6.6p per mile is still cheap motoring though. My home tariff is 22p and I'm getting 3.2 ish miles / kWh at the moment, so about 6.9p per mile. Compared with a similar diesel, which would be 16p / mile that's cheap. I can see EV costs going up, but still works out  cheap compared to ICE. Yesterday I charged at a client's office for 8 hours @ 50p an hour. Worked out that I paid about 7p a kWh for what the car took, which is super cheap.

 

Home charging at 7.5 p/kwh, Zoe now back over 3 kWh, closing in on 3.5 kWh as it warms up. Range was down to 150 miles, even 140 miles in well under sub zero temperatures but range back up to 170 miles and should be back over 200 miles in about 5 weeks, vernal equinox and then climb back up to 240 miles high summer when temperature here in the Midlands stays above 15C.

 

  Just over £1 to get 4 hours of the cheap charge, only have a 3.6 kW charger but car only being used for 25 miles a day and charger adds 50 miles of range for the £1 so car is charged every other day normally.

 

Still awaiting Octopus Salary Sacrifice details, but only looks half decent with a long lease.  Suppose with the all in costs it can look quite good but leaving the job and having to settle has to be considered.   Cheap motoring is a rarity but my 9 year Clio gets close, paid for, tiny road tax and does 65+ mpg.  servicing is about the biggest shock.

  

 

 

I had a family trip Fri-Sat, just got back earlier, Friday to National Space Centre, Today visited British Motor Museum. Above screenshot is the trip usage. Please ignore the cost value because it is only counting the previous night AC home charging.

 

Mostly motorway driving, AP set to speed limit +7%. Averaged out to be 3.4 mi/kWh at ambient in low 10's, lots of wind.

Light blue in the state timeline is sentry mode. Parked up at 60%, it was possible to make it back in day 2 without any charging. With DC charging and used sentry mode, got back at 15%.

Cost worked out to be around £10:  (78.2 - 10.3) = 67.3 kWh home charging at 7.5p/kWh => ~£5.5. Was charged £4.50 for DC supercharging 12 kWh used at 37p/kWh.

Average 4.1p/mile.

 

I wasn't able to get on some free Asda chargers in Leicester. Then I saw Motor museum had chargers at pretty much same cost as Tesla supercharger at Leicester, might as well use the easier option.

£119 of charges that showed on my CPS Account have now been taken off.

I am not counting my chickens yet as i did use the chargers and get the electricity.

 

The thing is that because of some glitch in their system the date of use of the charger usage showing was through spring and summer 2000 and there was 20% VAT included.

 

Difficult charging someone for the use of something 22 years before it actually existed.  

My account shows eah sessions cost as £0.00

Free charging still available in South Ayrshire for now, but more 50kW chargers would be handy.

Introducing fees and time limits for the tax payer funded chargers is OK as long as they can be depended on IMO.

 

Today there was a Technician at the Girvan Harbour rapid which has been out of service for 6 months now.

Hopefully that will be up and running again as the 2 7kW chargers were not working but thankfully Swarco / CPS had the Tethered AC back operating. 

HELP !,

WTF is a 'Solo charge',

  is that Nissan sales person speak for a 100% charged battery?   

& then the miles from a SOLO Charge in the best possible conditions?

 

 

 

 

Edited 5 April, 20233 yr by toot

Just traditional dealership not understanding EV's. The hand-over consisted more on in-car features than how to charge the EV, rapid charging need-to-know's.

 

I think what they meant to say is range on a 100% charge, and Podpoint solo can be installed at home. I believe there's some sort of Nissan partnership with Podpoint.

I think that is what I have, a Podpoint Solo, only cost me £449 to install but it is only a 3.6 kw charger but that has worked out fine.

 

I am thinking of a Tesla for my next EV, I tried the Megane-E, which is a sister car of the Ariya, which was OK but not enough of a big step up from the ZE50 Zoe but the Ariya would be I think, if the price ie the £56K for the 87 kwh battery one, comes down similar to Tesla price drops.

 

@lol-lolI have been looking at, sitting in and having a wee drive in a few cars to see what suits me.   Took the e-Megane out and got 3.5 miles per kW, same as I did in a Cupra Born when I drove one.  4 x 60 kWh being 240 miles is OK but 3.5 miles per kWh is really not great.   On way home from having had the test drive I got  3.7 miles a kWh in the Corsa.    If it had 55 kWh usable battery it would make all the difference for me.   Before I went to Perth and back my car was on 50500 miles and adding up all I have paid at chargers with CPS or by card it is under £500.   That is pretty much the end of running for nearly free sadly.     This weekend I have grandchildren and dog and stuff to care for so taking my son's BMW 520 diesel estate because of the big dog but even if it was just the kids I would not be taking the Corsa when it would need at least 4 charges for me over the weekend.   An Easter weekend might just be as bad as it could be if there is charger magedon. 

 

Now 10*oC and if i was to head off to Edinburgh now i might actually be OK for 150 miles.

Tomorrow if early and cooler maybe the same as traffic will slow things, but you need to be ready to divert if there are accidents.

So i need to get charged before getting kids and dog and car, and then leave it parked so 30 mins charging maybe.

Then before coming home again another maybe 20-30 mins will do it.

 

If i could get 180 miles it would be simple but first i need to find a comfy car.

Front wheel drive and doing good economy on All Weather tyres. Heated seat and steering wheel.  No shiny plastic.   So not a Cupra Born & not a e-Megane.

And available from Motability for not loads of Advance Payment. So maybe 2024 there will be something.

FWD with 60 kWh usable battery and 4 miles to the kWh in cold weather on the motorway would be lovely,

 

Edited 6 April, 20233 yr by toot