Wife fed up waiting for a new Fabia ordered on 10th August, after 14 weeks given a build date for the end of Jan 2019 expect it sometime in March.

The garage have been shocking with virtually no feedback we have had to do all the running. If truth was known she wants to tell the garage they can stuff it where it hurts.

The wife now considering buying a new Fiesta with dual clutch 6 speed automatic 1ltre Titanium. 

Looking on line Ford seem to have as many problems with the box as VAG.

I know from first hand my old 65 plate Fabia had it's clutches changed twice. (My new 18 plate has now done 9000 miles fault free thankfully).

 

The wife has had a test drive in the Fiesta and loves the car and says it handles and goes like a dream.

She also like the fact that we are a 5 min walk from the Ford garage the Skoda dealer is a round trip of 1.5 hours

Once again looking on line there are hundreds and hundreds of complaints about the Ford auto box but very little in the last 2 years have they got over their problems or is it a case of time will tell.

Ford have told her she can have a Fiesta  for delivery any time from Mid Feb

 

It's a long time since I have had a Ford most reviews on the Web rate the Fiesta higher than the Fabia.

 

Any views from you all good or bad would be highly appreciated

 

My wife has a 2011 Fez, It.s only the 1.25 manual, but seems well screwed together and handles well.

Heated front screen is a bonus at this time of year.

Sorry I can't give a review of the auto 1 litre, just my two pennorth.

 

The 1.0 Lt ecoboost engines have history:-

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5612757&highlight=ford+ecoboost

 

Don't let the battery go flat as this can create faults with the powershift gearbox:-

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.php?t=5809471&highlight=ford+powershift

 

HTH

 

Thanks AG Falco

I sat in a fiesta before I bought the Swift and that was enough to put me off...  Awful rear visibility and blind spots and an interior that looked like it had ergonomics designed by a blind man but if she likes it why not...   They do handle well.

I had hoped that my wife would have liked to continue her ownership of Fiestas, but after 3 she fancied a Polo as I had bought a Passat, so now that is where we are, both have VW Group cars and I have VCDS, life is easy!

Strange that my Fabia took six weeks from order to delivery,it wasn't a stock car,and had the extras I wanted.

 

I think your dealer messed up and your wife is missing out on a great car.

I always had Ford cars up to December 2008 when I moved to Skoda.  The treatment I had from every Ford garage I visited for servicing and repairs over the years was nothing short of appalling, hence my move to Skoda.  I got rid of my last 2007 new Fiesta after 18 months.  The buying experience was agonising and the car had a number of problems which were simple enough to put right but which the Ford dealer made a hash of.  For me, the service from Skoda is head and shoulders above Ford.  Never say never but I would have to think long and hard before buying another Ford.

@Yetiherts hope you wife enjoys her Fiesta. Ford were the most reliable car I had owned and regretted selling to get the Octavia, which was a disappointing experience.

The dealers aren’t the best  but other than servicing you won’t need to see them often. My Ford dealer, Ringways of Leeds, were great for servicing and I only had one bit of warranty work, which was done with no fuss. 

My Skoda dealer, DM Keith’s of Leeds, were dismal and made the ownership experience one big disappointment. Excessive condensation inside the car, oil temp sensor, rear wiper and various phantom lights showing as not working even though illuminated were never fixed under warranty. Needless to say I ended up hating the car and sold it on at a loss just to be rid of it. 

On 17/12/2018 at 15:16, Yetiherts said:

Wife fed up waiting for a new Fabia ordered on 10th August, after 14 weeks given a build date for the end of Jan 2019 expect it sometime in March.

The garage have been shocking with virtually no feedback we have had to do all the running. If truth was known she wants to tell the garage they can stuff it where it hurts.

The wife now considering buying a new Fiesta with dual clutch 6 speed automatic 1ltre Titanium. 

Looking on line Ford seem to have as many problems with the box as VAG.

I know from first hand my old 65 plate Fabia had it's clutches changed twice. (My new 18 plate has now done 9000 miles fault free thankfully).

 

The wife has had a test drive in the Fiesta and loves the car and says it handles and goes like a dream.

She also like the fact that we are a 5 min walk from the Ford garage the Skoda dealer is a round trip of 1.5 hours

Once again looking on line there are hundreds and hundreds of complaints about the Ford auto box but very little in the last 2 years have they got over their problems or is it a case of time will tell.

Ford have told her she can have a Fiesta  for delivery any time from Mid Feb

 

It's a long time since I have had a Ford most reviews on the Web rate the Fiesta higher than the Fabia.

 

Any views from you all good or bad would be highly appreciated

 

 

Dont worry - it’s not a dual clutch box in the new Fiesta - Ford I’ve actually gone back to using torque converter automatic transmissions. 

 

Its correct earlier lies and I mean your looking at about 5 years or so ago Fiesta/Focus dry dual clutch boxes had issues but these were sorted.

 

Also the 1.0 eco boost is in second generation now - very early cars 2011-2012 had issues with losing the coolant and destroying the engine, it was at the time brand new and obviously still had a few flaws.

 

The Fabia is an old car now and due for replacement really - I don’t own one myself but used a 1.4tdi for a while and wasn’t all that fond of it.

The problem with Ford is that they experiment and test their cars on the paying public in a way that even VAG doesn't do. My wife and I  have had 4 Fiestas, the last one just 4 years ago, and they were disastrous. Any Skoda will be better even if it has problems, trust me. Problem after problem with Ford engines and gearboxes. In fact the last one I sold was to a friend and he has spend a fortune on it to keep it on the road including a new engine (1.0 eco boost) which managed to get to just 45,000 miles before expiring due to cylinder head, valve and turbo problems. I did warn him of the possible outcomes with it but he insisted he wanted it. He's now considering a new Skoda Fabia Estate, but manual transmission. Good choice in my opinion. 

 

The gearbox on the auto Fords is much better now as Ford have gone back to the Torque Converter type of box like many manufacturers are doing. This avoids the clutch slipping issues that seem prevalent on some marques. Citroen and Peugeot has also done this, as is Nissan and others. The latest generation torque converter boxes easily match the DCT/DSG boxes for performance and economy so no need to make things complicated and there are no clutches to wear out. 

Edited 21 December, 20187 yr by Estate Man

43 minutes ago, Estate Man said:

The problem with Ford is that they experiment and test their cars on the paying public in a way that even VAG doesn't do. My wife and I  have had 4 Fiestas, the last one just 4 years ago, and they were disastrous. Any Skoda will be better even if it has problems, trust me. Problem after problem with Ford engines and gearboxes. In fact the last one I sold was to a friend and he has spend a fortune on it to keep it on the road including a new engine (1.0 eco boost) which managed to get to just 45,000 miles before expiring due to cylinder head, valve and turbo problems. I did warn him of the possible outcomes with it but he insisted he wanted it. He's now considering a new Skoda Fabia Estate, but manual transmission. Good choice in my opinion. 

 

The gearbox on the auto Fords is much better now as Ford have gone back to the Torque Converter type of box like many manufacturers are doing. This avoids the clutch slipping issues that seem prevalent on some marques. Citroen and Peugeot has also done this, as is Nissan and others. The latest generation torque converter boxes easily match the DCT/DSG boxes for performance and economy so no need to make things complicated and there are no clutches to wear out. 

 

I do like it when people spout rubbish like this. You had 4 Fiesta's that were disastrous but still carried on buying them 

 

Ford experiment and test their cars on the paying public in a way that even VAG doesn't do. Neither manufacturer would do this as they spend so much time developing and testing the cars. Letting the public test out their experiments would be a huge lawsuit waiting to happen that no manufacturer would risk, we'll not count emissions scandals. 

 

I can't name a car that hasn't had problems with the first production of a new model. Despite all the testing new problems occur in the real world with revised parts, recalls and even change of fluids due to incompatibility with parts.

 

There isn't a great deal of difference in reliability between manufacturers these days as a lot of the production techniques are shared amongst them due to efficiency and costs. Even JD Power surveys don't show a huge difference unless you own a Land Rover in reliability and much of the score is down to owners perception yet you read the posts on this forum and you see lots of issues repeated. Go onto another manufacturers forum and you see it all again. The difference comes from the after care now and unfortunately Skoda are very good at selling cars but their dealers are becoming some of the worst in the market. You only need to read the Biggest Threat to Skoda thread to hear the same story repeated over and over again.

 

11 hours ago, Estate Man said:

The problem with Ford is that they experiment and test their cars on the paying public in a way that even VAG doesn't do.

 

 

First thing that came into my head when I read that was the latest VAG issue of seat belts - selling Polos, Ibiza’s, T-Rocs to the public know full well that they have a serious design flaw involving the middle seat belt. 

 

VAG knew about this early on in the year when it was highlighted that a seat belt buckle come undone during cornering. 

 

VAG response? Nothing really just continue building the cars, send them out to customers.. wait a few months, and think okay we might need to do something here... so they started to put stickers on the dash boards of the cars saying do not use the middle seat... 

 

Then spent a bit more time thinking what could do they as a temporary fix... okay attach a plastic cable tie in the mean time that will do and continue to sell the cars.

 

In the mean time customers who had these cars might not of known any of this and out the family in the rear of these cars.. young children etc... without knowing the issue - wrong in my opinion really, that just shows contempt and a greed to get newly released cars out to customers rather than fix and sort out the flaw first...

 

Most new engines when released have some sort of issue or design flaw when released that might not be realised under the strict testing regime manufactures put in place, and only become apparent one customers have had them for time - and back to VAG they certainly have not been immune in that sense - 1.4tsi twin charge issues, 1.8/2.0tsi oil consumption issues, 1.9/2.0tdi water pump issues, 2.0tdi cam issues - of course again other manufactures have problems I’ve only mentioned VAG on that comment.. 

Ford and I parted company as far as buying a car for me was concerned due to a bit of a slip up by them in evolving the Escort/Orion, initially they were a bit slow in providing a 5 speed gearbox, but that did come, I asked when Escort/Orion sector car would come with a 16V engine and 4WD, they repeated what they had originally told me wrt 5 speed gearboxes, ie just a fad and will never happen - so I jumped ship to a slightly used VX Cav GSI 2000 16V 4X4 so that met with all my wants, and unfortunately converted me to always wanting a brisk saloon car with 4X4!  I did continue to buy Fiestas for my wife as that fitted the bill well, but she fancied joining the VW Group and so that is where we are now. 

 

My only issue with Ford products is, most of their buyers despise arrogant people that buy Germanic cars seeing as Fords are British - wait a minute, something wrong with their logic there!

Follow up to my wife Buying a new Ford Fiesta

You know the old saying if you leave a lady waiting for too long her mind will start to wander.

Well egged on by her daughter (Now on her 3^rd Fiesta) they went down to the local Ford dealer to look at the new Fiesta. They had a small test drive and she loved it. She sat in the Fiesta and really liked the comfortable seats and future looking dash. The wife is only 5ft tall and needs a cushion to see out the Fabia no such probs with the Fiesta.

Well 2 days later she dragged me into the Ford garage for a test drive (kicking and screaming as I am a bit of a Skoda groupie with 5 Skoda’s purchased in the last 10 years)

You would be surprised the Ford Salesman was ever so friendly and the red carpet was fully rolled out.

Well we had a 1-hour test drive test drive and wow wow wow what a smashing handling car very comfy seats, the auto box was sweet.

The wife was even more determined to buy the Ford, would you believe it they gave us the CARWOW reduced price plus a better trade in than Skoda offered in August

Now we get to the interesting bit there and then they gave us a printed out build date of 3^rd week of Jan 2019 with an estimated delivery for the second week of Feb I asked for a small delay to take advantage of the 19 plate in March, they said it would have been built a week earlier but we have asked for a lot of extra kit.

That certainly beats the 13 weeks we have had to wait from Skoda just to get a build date. And it certainly beats a total 7 months hopeful estimated delivery time from Skoda.

You may ask why my wife wants rid of her 64 plate Mk3 Skoda, it has only done 18000 miles in its short 4-year life and has been garage kept in all that time. Even the Ford people said the car was truly immaculate. It has a full Skoda service history (Done yearly not by mileage).

Firstly, my wife was working at the time of purchase a needed a Satnav system. Well we got caught up in the Skoda system only working on about 3 obscure phones. It took 6 months of fighting to get Skoda to admit their fault and then they only paid half the cost of the new Kenwood retro fit system. The Kenwood satnav screen went a beautiful shade of pink about 2 years later and had to be replaced at more cost to the wife.

But the real problem with the car was the Exhaust Emissions light came on 4 times in the car’s history. The car has had the sensor replaced twice.

On one occasion in early summer 2017 my wife called into Leigh Delamere services on the way to see the Grand children in Somerset the car on restart came up with the same exhaust emission light this time blinking red. The car went into limp mode, it scared her ****less. It was taken into a local Skoda garage they reset the computer but no fault found.  

The straw that broke the camel’s back it did limp mode again this summer while I was going to Mount Vernon for radio therapy cancer treatment. I had to abandon the car and get a taxi and just made the appointment. When our local Skoda dealer checked it out, they say it had a fault on the wiring system and a dodgy spark plug. The car was now out of warranty but they waved the payment cost of repairs and time. When we picked it up in August, we traded it in and put a deposit on a new Fabia.  Then our troubles really began. (The cancer treatment was fully successful and the people at Mount Vernon in West London were out of this world, we are eternally grateful to our wonderful NHS.)

Well now she is off to the land of Ford not going to worry what might happen to the car in the next 60 to 80 K miles as she will never get much past 20K.

I am still driving a Skoda Fabia Estate purchased new earlier this year hope it gives better service than my old 65 plate estate DSG that blew 2 sets of dual clutches in under 20k miles.

Prior to that I had a 1.2 DSG Yeti that was faultless in the 4 years I had it shame the boot was so small.

We have already had a very nice reply from our local Skoda dealer saying they were sad to see us go and will be repaying our deposit in full.

In private our salesman says Skoda and  VAG have a severe shortage of small petrol engines due to WLTP testing failures, and are upsetting a lot of people through long delivery times. He said VAG will have to destroy many tens of thousands of engines. This could all be bull **** but what do I know.

On 21/12/2018 at 12:55, CWARD said:

 

I do like it when people spout rubbish like this. You had 4 Fiesta's that were disastrous but still carried on buying them 

 

Ford experiment and test their cars on the paying public in a way that even VAG doesn't do. Neither manufacturer would do this as they spend so much time developing and testing the cars. Letting the public test out their experiments would be a huge lawsuit waiting to happen that no manufacturer would risk, we'll not count emissions scandals. 

 

I can't name a car that hasn't had problems with the first production of a new model. Despite all the testing new problems occur in the real world with revised parts, recalls and even change of fluids due to incompatibility with parts.

 

There isn't a great deal of difference in reliability between manufacturers these days as a lot of the production techniques are shared amongst them due to efficiency and costs. Even JD Power surveys don't show a huge difference unless you own a Land Rover in reliability and much of the score is down to owners perception yet you read the posts on this forum and you see lots of issues repeated. Go onto another manufacturers forum and you see it all again. The difference comes from the after care now and unfortunately Skoda are very good at selling cars but their dealers are becoming some of the worst in the market. You only need to read the Biggest Threat to Skoda thread to hear the same story repeated over and over again.

 

 

I'm glad you like me!  But I have no time for folks who spout uninformed rubbish. I deal in facts. I worked as a design and development engineer. I'm also a master tech. I knew and still know many techs and engineers at Ford and their University projects teams.  At that time their design and development departments faced severe time constraints which meant hurrying just about everything when it can to the development of the engines and some other initiatives. Often no time to fully long term test everything for as long as engineers really wanted since the release dates were all but set. So hence the huge problems that Ford has suffered over the years with both commercial and private car builds. Ford have been very innovative, but failed to test gearboxes, engines and brakes anywhere near enough. Even though they were using brand new previously unused materials to make gears, engine components, and brakes, clutches etc. Hence the huge problems they had with the Ford Transit engines, gearboxes, brakes etc etc etc. This has happened to many of their cars too. So much so that our dealer managed to make our cars and vans part of a research project to help Ford find all the problems and fix them. So we did get special privileges from the dealer and Ford. But frankly, at the time Ford made everyone else look like professionals. My wife and I only continued to buy Fords because we had a great dealer who made sure we didn't suffer...much!  We were locked into a commercial contract to buy Ford cars and vans for our businesses but I'm pretty sure we could have broken that due to all the problems we had but chose not to. But to be more specific, we of course were not alone with all the problem we had with our Fiesta 1.0Ltre Eco boost engines, just take a look at the Ford forums. Huge numbers of people having new engines, turbos, cylinder head years after the motors have been released. But we dropped them like hot cakes as soon as we could and don't regret that.  Lawsuits, well lets not go there...look that one up for yourself. 

Edited 22 December, 20187 yr by Estate Man

Nearly finished my popcorn 

My experience of Ford with my brand new (back in 2015) Fiesta ST3 was utterly appalling and ended in me trading the car in after they refused to fix what they accepted was a fault but then told me was a characteristic of my car; traded for another brand after only 9 weeks of ownership. Lost money but could not deal with the stress and hassle. 

 

Ironically my Fiesta ended up at a local Mannheim auction house and was purchased by another Ford dealership and before they could sell it, had to sort out the issue I had reported and had investigated by the other Ford dealer.

They ended up replacing the steering rack to rectify the fault but did it under warranty at no cost to themselves.

 

My work vehicle is a Ford Transit connect 14 plate and apart from loosing the power steering on 3 occasions in the past 18k miles (no fault codes logged -so they cannot fix) the van is excellent and I enjoy driving it everyday!

 

Its just a shame I have to deal with a crap Ford dealer for service and repairs.

 

5 hours ago, Estate Man said:

My wife and I only continued to buy Fords because we had a great dealer who made sure we didn't suffer...much!  We were locked into a commercial contract to buy Ford cars and vans for our businesses but I'm pretty sure we could have broken that due to all the problems we had but chose not to. But to be more specific, we of course were not alone with all the problem we had with our Fiesta 1.0Ltre Eco boost engines, just take a look at the Ford forums. Huge numbers of people having new engines, turbos, cylinder head years after the motors have been released. But we dropped them like hot cakes as soon as we could and don't regret that.  Lawsuits, well lets not go there...look that one up for yourself. 

 

I like facts too such as you had a fiesta 1.0 Eco boost whilst you and your wife were locked into a contract for your business.  You finished your business a few years prior to October 2008

On another post you state you had Skoda's for the last 11 years. 

 

I’m no expert on the Eco boost engine so had to look it up on Wikipedia and the 1.0 Eco Boost was first introduced to the Fiesta in 2013

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_EcoBoost_engine

 

Could you please tell which facts are incorrect that you’d had Skoda's for the last 11 years, your business had Eco Boost Fiesta many years before they were available or that you had spun a story to back up your dislike of Ford?

 

Delighted to CWARD.

 

Thank you for telling me I had finished my business prior to 2008. I'd have never have known! But which one?  Note I mention "businesses" in my earlier post. We have 3 businesses currently one of which has run for 35 years, and we sold a fourth in 2006. At the same time I worked for another large firm and local government as an adviser.

 

The 1.0 ltr Eco boost engine was released to the public in the UK in early 2012, not 2013 as you mention.  We've had four of them for our computer business. These were company cars. I have had Skoda's for 11 years as my personal vehicles and we liked them for most of that time, until that is we bought the Fabia Mk3's. Both of those were children of the devil!. I'd point out we have had to run several business vehicles over the years to meet the needs of my engine design & development firm, and another firm that we have run for 35 years.  These include Nissan Warriors, Transits, Toyota's & Fiats. We now have Citroen cars which are trouble free since getting them. Since I'm now retired from the front line our businesses are run by others, we only have the Citroen's & several motorcycles. Although retired, I was persuaded to take an engine design & development project on a short term contract for a major manufacturer. In less than five months I've covered 13,000 miles trouble free in the Citroen. That contract finishes in February, with luck. 

 

Going back to Ford, they have always sold well. They are an improving brand, but since we had considerable trouble with almost every new Ford we bought, and understanding how they operated at manufacturing level, I won't recommend them to anyone. Every single person that I know who bought the Fiesta with the 1.0 eco boost in it has had trouble with it. If you are someone who has one that's been ok, that's great. Sorry if you misunderstood what I was saying, but you shouldn't make inferences without thinking.

 

Have a great Xmas & a happy new year!

This gets better and better. You’ve got multiple companies, worked for a large company and were a government advisor yet somehow entered into such a bad contract that had you committed into buying four consecutive Fiesta's despite them been so bad. With your inside knowledge of all the short cuts Ford had taken with the Transit van you still bought one too. 

Obviously you never clicked on the link to your 2008 post otherwise you’d realise that it contradicts everything you said in your last post in regard to your multiple companies and cars. 

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A few years back when running our business, my wife and I used to change our vehicles every 12-18 months. The mileage on each vehicle would be average. It cost us a lot obviously...but we got good deals each year from our dealer. It was a case of give a chunk of our profit to the tax man or drive around in a new car instead (car being a business asset)...a no brainer!! We no longer have the business and we don't have that tax incentive to change each year, so we just buy a motor and run it for around 6-7 years each time. Except we now have the Fabia 2 Estate diesel 1.4, and we intend to keep that for at least 10 years...unless it turns out to be a dog! Might keep it even longer. That's why we bought a Skoda for it's build quality etc. 

But my point here is...we have found motoring costs are in the main very cheap if you keep a motor. Higher servicing costs as the vehicle ages still have proven less than the cost of changing a vehicle every 12-18 months. Depreciation is no longer a problem as such. Make the motor work for you! Just saying how it works for me!

 

BTW your explanation of saving a chunk of your profits from the tax man wouldn’t stack up either as you only claim capital allowances on cars if purchased. In 2005 that would have been limited to £3000 and the tax saving on that would have been less than a £1000 maximum at the higher rate of 30%. 

http://www.mpand.co.uk/tax_rates_2005_06_classic/allow.html

Even if you were leasing the cars you would only claim the net annual lease payments as a taxable expense. Assuming the lease payments increased with each car the increase would on,y create a negligible tax saving and instead of giving your profits to the tax man you’d hand it to the leasing company instead.

None of this takes into account the BIK on the car payable by the user and the Class 1A NIC payable by the company that still goes to the tax man. 

 

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to you too. 

Edited 23 December, 20187 yr by CWARD

CWARD, I'm afraid again you seem to jump to wrong conclusions. There are no contradictions, just you making incorrect reference and assumptions, and seemingly lacking knowledge in key areas.  For example not just a tax saving but depreciating our cars and vans as asserts. This makes it well worth changing at strategic times. However, we are discussing advice to Yetiherts, a fellow Vespa owner and not my tax affairs thank you!

 

Although just to help you, I've owned 4 Skoda Fabia cars since 2008. All private vehicles. Yet my wife and I own many more business vehicles that do not normally get discussed on here, well only sometimes. My attempt to keep my beloved Skoda Fabia estate diesel failed having owned it for 5 yrs. This was due to a serious knee injury resulting in the purchase of another Skoda estate with an auto box. We kept that for 4.5yrs, moving on to the disastrous MK3 automatics, two of them and now sold in favour of a Citroen. The Citroen is doing so well that we have just bought another one for one of our businesses.

 

By the way, we didn't just buy 1 Ford Transit, we bought 6, the first in 1999. We bought our first Fiesta in 1982...again even then, it wasn't great with the need for an engine and gearbox replacement. When they switched to the new front drive Transit, it was a complete disaster. Gearboxes, engines, brakes, all failing. Ford hurriedly redesigning these items. It took them some years to get it right. Same with many cars they make...it's no mistake that folks coined the phrase that they test their cars on the public! But, back in the day Ford were about the same as most other makes concerning reliabilty but with slightly better dealer support in my area. Then I discovered Honda & Nissan/Datsun, working as a tech within a large multifranchise dealership. They too had big issues in the early days but we're bettering most other manufacturers. 

 

Best cars at the time were Toyota. We bought 4 Starlets with the 1.3 engines and rear wheel drive. Then 4 more with the front drive. Some big issues with one of them and minor issues with others but in the main quite nice cars and fairly reliable over big miles. One of the Starlets was a private use car, not business.  That one had water coming in through the bulkhead due to a failed factory sealing process. This caused water to get into the electrics causing the cooling system electric fan to fail. This resulted in the engine overheating causing the cylinder head to warp and fail. Clutch and gearbox also failed at just 12,000 miles!

 

Yettiherts, sorry for allowing CWARD to drag your thread off topic. I'm wishing you the best with your new Ford.

 

Regarding the WLTC testing, it might mean VAG destroying some engines. It can happen. Each manufacturer can have a differing approach to this. Of course, destroyed engines are recycled, but I'm not currently aware of the VAG situation concerning these tests.

 

Have a great Xmas.

There’s nothing I like better than drilling down to the perceived truth of something but sometimes it can easily be a misconstrued or misinterpreted point that gets blown out of all proportion.

 

Remember, Christmas is a time for peace and goodwill to all men and that especially applies on Briskoda.

Thanks John, have a nice Christmas. 

Just out of interest what tyres does your new fiesta have, this seems to suggest that they now come with all seasons as standard, a much more sensible decision than Skoda.  If it snows would still be able to drive it (until you get behind some moron sideways in a rear drive BMW on summer tyres)

 

https://www.tyretradenews.co.uk/news/ford-chooses-vredestein-quatrac-5-for-latest-fiesta