7 minutes ago, themanwithnoaim said:

WHP really

 

Thinks you must be confused 

 

Yup, a well respected mapper (VES sport in Braco) who done it for me. Refuses to do bhp as he got a raft of people going to a dyno day, being told the whp, and coming back and complaining.

3 hours ago, nidza said:

In the USA, 2.0 TSI was always without port injector system. Could be that it is already proven in the fields without carbon residual issues on valves, who knows?

 

It is telling that a common mod is to retrofit the MPI injectors to factory euro spec. They are used at both ends of the rev range where they are more efficient, a side benefit is cleaner valves.

 

I would be more concerned that the newer EA888 gen 3 engines seem to be going to a much higher compression ratio which makes tuning a turbo car safely all the more difficult.

1 hour ago, Saints92 said:

 

Yup, a well respected mapper (VES sport in Braco) who done it for me. Refuses to do bhp as he got a raft of people going to a dyno day, being told the whp, and coming back and complaining.

 

FWIW I know someone with a 220 Golf GTI who went to him (reason I went) who went to a rolling road day in Fife a few months ago and got 319hp on their rollers.

 

Ecotune and Revo have happy dynos and quoted me 320-330hp figures.

8 hours ago, ahenners said:

 

Where has 248 been confirmed, by the manufacturer? Or is it the same "confirmed" as the 220 dyno'ed at 240 as above?

 

Apples Vs apples = 25 difference.  Apples Vs bananas = 31 difference. Bananas Vs bananas = 8 difference based on that logic 

Superchips got 266HP standard before tuning a 220. The 220 is the most powerful standard by them, sounds crazy but thats what they got. 310HP at Stage 1, map only, nothing else. The 230 was 261hp standard and the 245 was I think 258 but the map has gone for some reason. Not totally surprising as they used to always under claim by quite a margin, they don't anymore now due to the new testing.

 

 

https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=33&fueltype=3&model=142&variant=3289

 

https://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=33&fueltype=3&model=142&variant=3002

Like anything, it is rarely as simple as it seems. Getting headline figures with turbo cars is not that difficult. Making them actually better to drive and keeping them driving is a different matter.

 

It is no secret that the early IS20 turbo failures were exacerbated by some questionable tuning techniques that were chasing the last few HP and resulted in situations where the turbo could overspeed and eventually fail. The turbos maybe a little stronger in the later versions, but they are not immune.

 

Number bragging rights and tuning that gives effective drivable power with sustainable engine parameters are rarely to be had at the same place.

9 minutes ago, flybynite said:

Like anything, it is rarely as simple as it seems. Getting headline figures with turbo cars is not that difficult. Making them actually better to drive and keeping them driving is a different matter.

 

It is no secret that the early IS20 turbo failures were exacerbated by some questionable tuning techniques that were chasing the last few HP and resulted in situations where the turbo could overspeed and eventually fail. The turbos maybe a little stronger in the later versions, but they are not immune.

 

Number bragging rights and tuning that gives effective drivable power with sustainable engine parameters are rarely to be had at the same place.

The turbos might be but it is becoming apparent the waste gate actuators are not. Which is still a turbo failure! 

13 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Simple answer is hardly any difference between a 220 and a 245, same turbo for instance. To increase power you need more cool air (denser) plus more fuel (higher octane helps) and the ability to get rid of those exhaust gases (so larger bore pipe helps here). To demonstrate when Ant's bagged 220 was at stage 2 then his car produced 331bhp. My 245 might be 3 years newer but at the same stage 2 my car only produces 336bhp (5bhp difference). However the estate is about 25kg heavier than the hatch and the DSG box is 21kg heavier than the manual. Therefore the lightest variant is the manual hatch which is 46kg lighter than a DSG estate for example. My power-to-weight ratio is now 245bhp per tonne (1,370kg kerb weight).

Mine actually made 360bhp but Ben tweek it back abit to 330bhp as the turbo wouldn't last long at that power. Now stage 3 at nearly 400bhp and 425ftlbs it's an animal

 

 

220, 230, 245 are all the same engine, turbo etc etc it's just the map that's put on it from factory. 230 has the e-diff same as the gti pp 

18 minutes ago, Ant-Vrs said:

. 230 has the e-diff same as the gti pp 

Only the pre facelift, the facelift 230 didn't have it and it was reintroduced on the 245. 

50 minutes ago, Kenai said:

Only the pre facelift, the facelift 230 didn't have it and it was reintroduced on the 245. 

Edited 1 March, 20197 yr by teescom09

Non engine related benefits of tuning a 245 are the VAQ diff which does a great job putting the extra power down, the 38mm wider rear track, the bigger 340/310 vented brakes and something which not many realise the steering lock is much faster at 2.1turns lock to lock (similar to most Alfa's) compared to either 2.5/2.6 for the 220/230. When you're going round corners you just need a small flick to turn in and it inspires confidence in the speed you carry into a corner and makes roundabouts (I have 14 each way on my commute) huge fun. A great car is the some of all its parts not just the headline power figure. Seem to remember passing a Caterham on a track day.

6 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

...A great car is the some of all its parts not just the headline power figure...

I'd always prefer to have a less powerful and better-handling car I love, than an un-drivable powerhouse that I hate.

 

Ant's right foot must be gentle AF, as I wouldn't trust myself with an almost-400 BHP FWD barge (comparatively to the other 'hot hatches' in the market). As it is, I have too much fun listening to turbo spool and using the eDiff often enough to remind me why I love it in the first place.

1 minute ago, Ads230 said:

I'd always prefer to have a less powerful and better-handling car I love, than an un-drivable powerhouse that I hate.

 

Ant's right foot must be gentle AF, as I wouldn't trust myself with an almost-400 BHP FWD barge (comparatively to the other 'hot hatches' in the market). As it is, I have too much fun listening to turbo spool and using the eDiff often enough to remind me why I love it in the first place.

The diff at times almost makes my car feel like it's got 4WD particularly on the wider wheels (8.5J) and summer tyres 235/35R19 Michelin PS4S. Waiting another 4 or 5 weeks to get them back on the car. Have to feed the power in gently with my 225/40R18 Pirelli P zero's.

2 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

 225/40R18 Pirelli P zero's.

These should be illegal on cars with >250 BHP in the UK - wet or below 10'C, they're utter shoite. Welcome back to Summer tyres soon

Just now, Ads230 said:

These should be illegal on cars with >250 BHP in the UK - wet or below 10'C, they're utter shoite. Welcome back to Summer tyres soon

To be honest I bought them nearly 3 years ago to use on my 148bhp petrol Superb (Mk3). Kept them in the garage last winter because the 245 had P Zero 225/35R19 tyres so no point switching for same rubber but only slightly narrower. They still have 5/6mm of thread left so will do for 2019/2020 winter as well then might fit some Michelin Cross Climates for the colder months.

54 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

The diff at times almost makes my car feel like it's got 4WD particularly on the wider wheels (8.5J) and summer tyres 235/35R19 Michelin PS4S. Waiting another 4 or 5 weeks to get them back on the car. Have to feed the power in gently with my 225/40R18 Pirelli P zero's.

My current winter alloys on my previous car from 2016.

245- Completely new is a turbocharger, pistons, oil pump, exhaust, another is suction ...

31 minutes ago, Hurikan said:

245- Completely new is a turbocharger, pistons, oil pump, exhaust, another is suction ...

Yes I remember reading about all of the modifications on the pre release information. I would think the  mods were emissions related mainly.

yes, bud VAG self-locking differentials on the front axle has not been installed since year 2019

41 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Yes I remember reading about all of the modifications on the pre release information. I would think the  mods were emissions related mainly.

Hope some were reliability related as well with the earlier turbo and related failures.

On 02/03/2019 at 19:22, shyVRS245 said:

Hope some were reliability related as well with the earlier turbo and related failures.

Hopefully, seems to be becoming a more frequent issue. It,s that plastic covered integral actuator that seems to be the problem. Is yours the same? You can see it if you look over the back of engine.

16 hours ago, teescom09 said:

 It's that plastic covered integral actuator that seems to be the problem...

 

Are there 'hardened' / more robust alternatives to the OEM actuator, do you know?

 

Mine's got stuck once in its lifetime thus far, but I don't much like the idea of it happening again + limp mode + lack of (experience in) VCDS 'prodding'.

6 hours ago, Ads230 said:

 

Are there 'hardened' / more robust alternatives to the OEM actuator, do you know?

 

Mine's got stuck once in its lifetime thus far, but I don't much like the idea of it happening again + limp mode + lack of (experience in) VCDS 'prodding'.

I doubt it, its an integral electrically operated part not an external standard old type vacuum operated device

Update on this thread APR stage 1 gave 330PS and 492NM but now the APR stage 2 with HJS downpipe gives 362PS and 530NM all with the standard 245 turbo.62-124mph time drops from 10.8 to 10.3 seconds (100-200kph).

DigiTec Germany

 

162kW / 220PS 350Nm increases to 197kW / 268PS 440Nm at 1,900rpm after remap

https://www.dtintecno.de/cars/2-0-tsi-162-kw-220-ps:10220

 

169kW / 230PS 350Nm increases to 197kW / 268PS 440Nm at 1,900rpm after remap

https://www.dtintecno.de/cars/2-0-tsi-rs-169-kw-230-ps:14431

 

180kW / 245PS 370Nm increases to  222kW / 302PS 450Nm at 1,750rpm after remap

https://www.dtintecno.de/cars/2-0-tsi-rs-180-kw-245-ps:14432

 

This is not a recommendation for this company as I have never used them.