PS. Also Koni dampers ( think it was FSDs? ) would provide similar results, some have tried them on stock springs and were really praising them afterwards as having sorted all of the stock suspension's issues

Thanks @newbie69

 

Your suggestion to look at dampers chimes with what my tuning guys are saying, except they’re nudging me towards coilovers.

 

Do you have links to the other people talking about the Bilsteins? Are they on a Superb?

 

Cheers. 

11 hours ago, Bejam said:

Thanks @newbie69

 

Your suggestion to look at dampers chimes with what my tuning guys are saying, except they’re nudging me towards coilovers.

 

Do you have links to the other people talking about the Bilsteins? Are they on a Superb?

 

Cheers. 

No links of reviews on the Superb but I have read several reviews about the B6 series over the years and they all boil down to the same conclusion: Firmer ride but not crashy, noticeably more controllable car and a more enjoyable drive overall. Haven't come across someone who wasn't happy with them really.

They are tuned for that one step further of improvement, hence why they can be used with stock springs too, but they are not track-oriented to be overly punishing.

Coilovers for me have two drawbacks for daily cars: a) They come with at least 30-40mm of lowering which is not something everybody is ok to sacrifice and b) You don't want to go cheap on them. I would only consider stuff like KW V2 and above which start from around 1000EUR as far as I remember. What most people are after though can be achieved by simply upgrading shocks at half that price with the milder series of Bilstein and Koni so why bother with something more complicated?

Currently on b6 with prokit springs (octavia) and as newbie says they offer support and control but without being overly crashy/firm.  Used the B6 on stock springs for a while too and definitely something I will be doing to future cars when shocks die.

 

The way I see coilovers is you get loads of adjustment which is good for the tinkerer but not so good for a daily.

1 hour ago, MarkyG82 said:

Currently on b6 with prokit springs (octavia) and as newbie says they offer support and control but without being overly crashy/firm.  Used the B6 on stock springs for a while too and definitely something I will be doing to future cars when shocks die.

 

The way I see coilovers is you get loads of adjustment which is good for the tinkerer but not so good for a daily.

Another good review about them   

Coil-over adjustment is great all-right but it makes sense to pay for it only if you need it. 99% would just need one good setting and to forget about them which is why I suggest shocks over coilovers for most occasions.

On 2/11/2020 at 23:42, newbie69 said:

Por lo que he leído, creo que los resortes no son la mejor opción para abordar lo que busca en un automóvil que no es DCC . La suspensión DCC en Sport se reafirma muy bien y puede controlar el automóvil incluso con el recorrido de suspensión más corto proporcionado por un conjunto de resortes de descenso en la mayoría de las ocasiones, pero el que no es DCC es más suave probablemente tendrá problemas. Otra razón es que el Eibach Pro-Kit es apenas más rígido que el original, están diseñados principalmente para reducir la altura de manejo, así que no espere el efecto de una suspensión mejorada en absoluto. 

Si yo fuera usted y no me preocupara por la apariencia, consideraría un juego de amortiguadores Bilstein B6 en los resortes originales. Sin compromiso de usabilidad, pero con un control corporal mucho mejor. De lo contrario, si también está buscando eliminar parte del espacio del arco original, los B6 + Eibachs deberían funcionar bien juntos.

A B6 with the original springs can be too high.  B6 and Eibach pro kit may be more recommended.

14 minutes ago, Gabrielem said:

A B6 with the original springs can be too high.  B6 and Eibach pro kit may be more recommended.

Not according to Bilstein. B6 work fine with lowering springs but they are designed to be used with OEM springs also. Besides, for people that tow or carry heavy cargo, lowering is not an option.

"...For shock absorbers heavy loads or trailering are a big challenge. Built to OE quality standards, the BILSTEIN B6 delivers increased performance when demands are high. Even without lowering you will get better vehicle dynamics for a comfortable street performance in town and on the highway..."

https://www.bilstein.com/int/en/product/bilstein-b6/

46 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

for people that tow or carry heavy cargo, lowering is not an option.

solution for hatchs -

on the rear axle can be installed springs from wagons

Eibach Pro rear springs

F11-15-007-04-HA (-45mm on AWD)
F11-79-008-01-HA (-30mm on AWD; 0mm on FWD)

 

rear looks perfect then, front definitely too low for me

any suggestions?

 

 

another interesting pictures from Russian board

https://www.drive2.ru/l/573382395697299820/?m=573499218807751143&page=0#a573499218807751143

springs diff front:

 

rear:

 

 

3 hours ago, newbie69 said:

No según Bilstein. B6 funciona bien con resortes de descenso, pero también están diseñados para usarse con resortes OEM. Además, para las personas que remolcan o transportan carga pesada, bajar no es una opción.

"... Para los amortiguadores, las cargas pesadas o el remolque son un gran desafío. Construido según los estándares de calidad OE, el BILSTEIN B6 ofrece un mayor rendimiento cuando las demandas son altas. Incluso sin bajar , obtendrá una mejor dinámica del vehículo para un rendimiento cómodo en la calle en la ciudad y en la autopista ... "

https://www.bilstein.com/int/en/product/bilstein-b6/

I had to put some Eibach pro kit springs after the workshop recommendation not to put B8 and put B6.  I had to talk to Eibach Europe and ask them if they can fit B6 and Pro kit and they said yes.  This happened to me in a 2007 Focus XR mk2, and the car was on rails and was not uncomfortable.

2 hours ago, MartiniB said:

solución para escotillas -

en el eje trasero se pueden instalar resortes de vagones

Muelles traseros Eibach Pro

F11-15-007-04-HA (-45 mm en AWD)
F11-79-008-01-HA (-30 mm en AWD; 0 mm en FWD)

 

la parte trasera se ve perfecta entonces, la parte delantera definitivamente demasiado baja para mí

¿alguna sugerencia?

 

 

otras fotos interesantes del tablero ruso

https://www.drive2.ru/l/573382395697299820/?m=573499218807751143&page=0#a573499218807751143

resortes diff frontal:

 

posterior:

 

This is how Bilstein B12 looks?  on a 4x4 and 18 "rim? Or just pro kit springs and OEM shocks? I see it well, the rear as soon as there is some low weight and the shock absorbers and springs do not have as much travel as the standard ones ..  .

 

 

¿Así es como se ve Bilstein B12? ¿En una llanta 4x4 y 18 "? ¿O simplemente resortes pro kit y amortiguadores OEM? Lo veo bien, la parte trasera apenas hay algo de poco peso y los amortiguadores y resortes no tienen tanto recorrido como los estándar .. .

Thanks. I suspect my tuning shop guys are only recommending coilovers because they have no experience with the Superb. 
 

Their concern was that they could put new shocks in and I’d not be happy - whereas the coilover option allows them to fiddle with height and rebound etc. 
 

From my perspective, I definitely don’t want to fiddle after fitting - just want a slightly firmer suspension to cope with dips on A roads without hitting the bump stops. 

On 05/11/2020 at 13:24, MarkyG82 said:

Currently on b6 with prokit springs (octavia) and as newbie says they offer support and control but without being overly crashy/firm.  Used the B6 on stock springs for a while too and definitely something I will be doing to future cars when shocks die.

 

The way I see coilovers is you get loads of adjustment which is good for the tinkerer but not so good for a daily.

Very useful - thanks @MarkyG82

8 hours ago, Gabrielem said:

 

Is this what the Bilstein B12 looks like?  On an 18 "4x4 rim? Or just pro kit springs and OEM shocks? I see it well, the rear is hardly light weight and the shocks and springs don't have as much travel as the standard ones ...

open attached link to Drive2.ru

only springs replace, original Rough Road to Eibach Pro -30mm

full set code: E10-79-012-04-22

front: F11-85-042-03-FA

rear:  F11-79-008-01-HA

just note, this set is for 2.0 T*I AWD, but he installed on FWD - in that case rear has't dropped at all

still searching the same recipe for front axle 

 

2 hours ago, MartiniB said:

just note, this set is for 2.0 T*I AWD, but he installed on FWD - in that case rear has't dropped at all

still searching the same recipe for front axle 

 

Sorry this looks like it has definitely dropped at the rear too, sure not as much as it would drop if using the springs meant for this car, but this not how the rear sits even on a stock Sportline (it should be higher).

This was my stock Sportline before any mods, you can clearly see the rear arch gap being double than the one in your photo of the FWD car using AWD rear springs:




What would be the point in keeping it fully at stock height then? Not that it is even possible to do this with AWD springs anyway but just wondering.

Edited 7 November, 20205 yr by newbie69

@newbie69

Sportline doesn't always mean there are some differences in suspension,
look to this nonsense, guessing with rough road package

looks like i have to order your previous springs

at least front looks exact what i'm searching for, but for rear solution is found - Eibachs for AWD on FWD

keep in mind where i'm currently with stock DCC

 

Eibach Pro on the front looks too low for me,
rear acceptable, but i would prefer to have small reserve

This is my Tdi 190cv 4x4 with suspension for bad roads.  For me, it is excessively high, I notice too much inertia and aesthetically I just don't like it.  I don't know if the B12 kit will be too low.

 

Parte trasera...

54 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

@newbie69

Sportline doesn't always mean there are some differences in suspension,
look to this nonsense, guessing with rough road package

looks like i have to order your previous springs

at least front looks exact what i'm searching for, but for rear solution is found - Eibachs for AWD on FWD

keep in mind where i'm currently with stock DCC

 

Eibach Pro on the front looks too low for me,
rear acceptable, but i would prefer to have small reserve

As you can see in the 1st picture (stock), the rear is sitting 5-10mm higher than the front, probably for loading and carrying people without getting lower than front. This is true on many cars also.

Now in the 3rd picture where I used the Eiback Pro-Kit (the correct one for my car) but I also added the thicker Audi pads on top (at the rear), the rear is again a bit higher than the front, similar to the stock proportions.

If putting just the Eibachs on, you end up with the front and rear at exactly the same height. Looking good on photos but I didn't like how much lower it went when loaded so I brought it back to the stock relative position.


If you want my front stock springs send me a PM! I could sell them for a rather small price, not interested in keeping them anyway.

 

29 minutes ago, Gabrielem said:

This is my Tdi 190cv 4x4 with suspension for bad roads.  For me, it is excessively high, I notice too much inertia and aesthetically I just don't like it.  I don't know if the B12 kit will be too low.

 

Parte trasera...

My car in this picture is lowered by ~30mm:




 B12 lowers by 25-40mm so at the highest setting, (25mm) it should be even a little be higher than mine which I think is fine. This depends where you live of-course but mine which is almost 30mm is still fine for most daily situations, speed curbs, ramps etc. Haven't had an issue so far.

Yours does not have DCC, correct? Otherwise B12 would not fit without a DCC cancellation kit.
 

49 minutes ago, newbie69 said:

Mi automóvil en esta imagen se reduce en ~ 30 mm:  B12 se reduce en 25-40 mm, por lo que en el ajuste más alto (25 mm) debería ser incluso un poco más alto que el mío, lo que creo que está bien. Esto depende de dónde vivas, por supuesto, pero el mío, que mide casi 30 mm, está bien para la mayoría de las situaciones diarias, bordillos de velocidad, rampas, etc. Hasta ahora no he tenido ningún problema. El tuyo no tiene DCC , ¿correcto? De lo contrario, B12 no encajaría sin un kit de cancelación DCC .







 

Currently, the rear is 73 milimeters from the ground with a 7-centimeter gap between the rubber and the body.  In the front  I have a gap of 6 centimeters.  If I have not measured wrong.  If with the B12 it goes down 3 centimeters, it seems perfect.  I had b6 and prokit in another car for years, but now I am expecting a baby and I don't know if it will be too tough for trans-European trips of 7000 km.  Is there a better option?

1 hour ago, newbie69 said:

Mi automóvil en esta imagen se reduce en ~ 30 mm:  B12 se reduce en 25-40 mm, por lo que en el ajuste más alto (25 mm) debería ser incluso un poco más alto que el mío, lo que creo que está bien. Esto depende de dónde vivas, por supuesto, pero el mío, que mide casi 30 mm, está bien para la mayoría de las situaciones diarias, bordillos de velocidad, rampas, etc. Hasta ahora no he tenido ningún problema. El tuyo no tiene DCC , ¿correcto? De lo contrario, B12 no encajaría sin un kit de cancelación DCC .







 

I don't have DCC ...

51 minutes ago, Gabrielem said:

Currently, the rear is 73 milimeters from the ground with a 7-centimeter gap between the rubber and the body.  In the front  I have a gap of 6 centimeters.  If I have not measured wrong.  If with the B12 it goes down 3 centimeters, it seems perfect.  I had b6 and prokit in another car for years, but now I am expecting a baby and I don't know if it will be too tough for trans-European trips of 7000 km.  Is there a better option?

It won't go down 30mm from your 70mm... These measurements are usually taken from the standard car (not the Rough Road springs or Sportline) so you need to add the extra height of the Rough Road pack, if it is 15mm it would go down 30mm + 15mm = 45mm from your current height.

If you worry about lowering you could combine B6 with the Sportline springs.  Much better control but still a height which leaves quite some clearance in the arches. Height would be same as my stock Sportline probably, more than enough:

2 hours ago, Gabrielem said:

I had b6 and prokit in another car for years, but now I am expecting a baby and I don't know if it will be too tough for trans-European trips of 7000 km.  Is there a better option?

 

B6 fitted when No1 had just turned 1. Profit fitted a year later (ish) then had no2 during lockdown and not had an issue. Just need to watch the mounds they like to use as speed bumps round here. My boy (No1) loves it and says "zoom zoom" when I do the nursery pickup 😁

On 01/08/2019 at 09:54, TWW said:

Bad or rough road package is 15mm higher than standard and then there are some better underbody covers. I don't have DCC or Sportline.

 

What I'm trying to figure out is that is there same shock absorbers in standard and rough road version. 

 

Some discussion for example here: 

 

Hi TWW, I have rough road protection installed on my Superb mk3 2021 as well and wondering if I can lower it by just changing the springs or need to change the shock absorbers too. 
 

I am considering fitting Eibach Pro Kit. 
 

Thank you. 

On 01/08/2019 at 09:54, TWW said:

Bad or rough road package is 15mm higher than standard and then there are some better underbody covers. I don't have DCC or Sportline.

 

What I'm trying to figure out is that is there same shock absorbers in standard and rough road version. 

 

Some discussion for example here: 

 

Hi TWW, I have rough road protection installed on my Superb mk3 2021 as well and wondering if I can lower it by just changing the springs or need to change the shock absorbers too. 
 

I am considering fitting Eibach Pro Kit. 
 

Thank you. 

On 01/08/2019 at 09:54, TWW said:

Bad or rough road package is 15mm higher than standard and then there are some better underbody covers. I don't have DCC or Sportline.

 

What I'm trying to figure out is that is there same shock absorbers in standard and rough road version. 

 

Some discussion for example here: 

 

Hi TWW, I have rough road protection installed on my Superb mk3 2021 as well and wondering if I can lower it by just changing the springs or need to change the shock absorbers too. 
 

I am considering fitting Eibach Pro Kit. 
 

Thank you. 

On 01/08/2019 at 09:54, TWW said:

Bad or rough road package is 15mm higher than standard and then there are some better underbody covers. I don't have DCC or Sportline.

 

What I'm trying to figure out is that is there same shock absorbers in standard and rough road version. 

 

Some discussion for example here: 

 

Hi TWW, I have rough road protection installed on my Superb mk3 2021 as well and wondering if I can lower it by just changing the springs or need to change the shock absorbers too. 
 

I am considering fitting Eibach Pro Kit. 
 

Thank you. 

Now that the dust has settled on this topic a little, please may I ask your advice?

I'd like to lower my Superb 1.4TSI (2017) Hatchback by 20mm (max 25mm) all round, what are my most cost effective options, if any?

4 hours ago, netman82 said:

Now that the dust has settled on this topic a little, please may I ask your advice?

I'd like to lower my Superb 1.4TSI (2017) Hatchback by 20mm (max 25mm) all round, what are my most cost effective options, if any?

for the Superb 3V3 Hatchback 1.4 TSi, the Eibach Springs will lower it approx. 30-35mm.

Part Number is E10-85-042-01-22

alternative is H&R springs.

Part Number is 28784-1 for Superb 3V3 Hatchback 1.4 TSi.

if u have DCC shocks, it will lower by 20-25mm.

Edited 20 May, 20251 yr by JR RS