Octavia 1.2 tsi turbo problem

[OJOctavia]

Hi all,

 

Can anyone tell me if there are any recalls on the 1.2tsi engine in the uk and/or Ireland.

 

My fathers 14 reg turbo has just gave up. Local Skoda dealer wants €2,000 to fix it. Theres just 61,000 kms (36,000miles) on the clock. Dealer is refusing to help him in any way. 

 

Thinking of trying to source a 2nd hand 1 from a dismantler. Can anyone give me any pointers on part codes etc. that I might look for.

 

thanks for looking

[classic]

You need the engine code from the data sticker in the boot, or the registration document.

I think it’ll be something like CJZB for the 1.2

What has happened to the

turbo ? 

[OJOctavia]

Thank you for that.

 

It put on EPC and engine management lights last week and was down in power.

 

dealer rang my father after diagnostic this afternoon to say turbo had failed and needed to be replaced. They didnt give him the failure mode. Just said there was nothing they could do and did he want to go ahead with the replacement. They said something about him not changing the oil enough which was quite funny as he bought the car on pcp and brought it back every year while under warranty. Im going to call them tomorrow for the exact details of whats wrong. Will post up once i know more

[jbastos]

I remember reading there's can be a turbo actuator problem on 1.2TSI engines, not just Octavia, engines manufactured up to early 2014 need a new complete turbo, engines built after that date just need a new servo motor.

[jbastos]

Found the article:

 

https://www.autostyl.eu/files/files/f655-SM45-nahled.1.pdf

 

I don't speak Czech, so used google translator, in the middle of the 2nd page there's a box in the center with known issues, first one is (translated by google):

 

Quote

Turbocharger regulation disorders - crash into safe mode: Failure actuator of the bypass damper control turbochargers - charge regulation pressure. For cars manufactured before 28 May 2014 it is necessary to replace the entire turbocharger (1150£) from that date on the servomotor itself (157£).

 

 

 

Edited 27 August, 2019 by jbastos

[Rodge]

It's a bit worrying that two people have reported turbocharger failures on 1.2 TSI Octavias in the last week. The other is at https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/470938-5f-control-unit-failure-bolero-%C2%A31115#comment-5286193

I suppose I should take some comfort from the fact that my car was manufactured after 2014...

[bigjohn]

22 hours ago, OJOctavia said:

They said something about him not changing the oil enough which was quite funny as he bought the car on pcp and brought it back every year while under warranty. 

 

It's a 2014 car so the warranty ran out a couple of years ago - what has he done since re servicing?

 

Oil is the lifeblood of any engine - especially modern ones with direct injection and a turbo. The direct injection whilst efficient does seem to hammer the oil (well mine does!) and turbo can be oil sensitive.

 

[benterrier]

How many miles are these little whiz bang petrol engines doing. I know engine design has come on leaps and bounds over recent years but my opinion they are under that much strain to get the required hp out failures don't surprise me. 

 

[jbastos]

1 hour ago, benterrier said:

How many miles are these little whiz bang petrol engines doing. I know engine design has come on leaps and bounds over recent years but my opinion they are under that much strain to get the required hp out failures don't surprise me. 

 

 

In the above linked article they test a 1.2 tsi with 350.000 km,  still going strong,  in fact delivering a few more horsepower than anounced as new.

[benterrier]

There you go nothing to worry about, sounds like they will last forever. 

[bigjohn]

16 hours ago, benterrier said:

How many miles are these little whiz bang petrol engines doing. I know engine design has come on leaps and bounds over recent years but my opinion they are under that much strain to get the required hp out failures don't surprise me. 

 

 

I suppose my old timer 1.4tsi has a little less power (125ps) than the latest versions but thus far all seems OK at 77k miles. I bought at 14k miles and performance/economy still the same as when I bought it - both being rather good. There seems to be many for sale with well over 100k on the clock.

 

We shall see long term but as yet very little oil being burnt.

 

Presumably much of the engine has been designed to cope with the power - a suitably specified crank and bearings won't know that it's attached to small pistons/bore/turbo rather than bigger pistons/bore. Any turbo car (diesel/sports/petrol) has a weaker spot as the turbo is less likely to outlive the engine and if oil changes are skimped then they are likely to expire even sooner. 

 

 

Edited 28 August, 2019 by bigjohn

[Ootohere]

This is a different engine needing a turbo, a 1.4 TSI Twincharger with 180 ps.  £492. 

Obviously not from VW / Skoda with a 2 year warranty but then not everyone needs that.

 

1.2TSI's with actuator faults can just have an actuator with needing a complete Turbo & actuator, but many Dealerships will not tell a customer that.

[OJOctavia]

My fathers car did approx 7,000 kms since last oil and filter change. Oil that came out after dash lights was nice and clean. 

 

It was vw504 spec that went in per the book. 

 

Look you’ll always have something with them. His one needs both as its all the one unit. 

[bigjohn]

I'd find a local specialist to properly diagnose/fix.

 

When it put on and EPC light it would have put then engine into limp home mode - which would have reduced the power. As the car is low mileage and you mention it's had regular oil changes then it may be a simpler fault such as actuator as mentioned above. 

 

I presume it'll be the EA211 engine in it as it's a mkIII Octavia by 2014 - on the EA211 the oil filter is down at the bottom of the engine

 

The earlier EA111 was know for potential oil filter misfitting issues which could leave the engine low on oil pressure - with this older design engine the oil filter is at the top of the engine above the alternator 

 

Was double checking just in case it is a late registration MKII or had a different engine spec in Ireland?

 

Edited 29 August, 2019 by bigjohn

[logiclee]

I had the turbo actuator fail on our 1.2TSi

 

Skoda quoted £1600 to supply and fit a new turbo.

 

My local independent VAG specialist replaced the actuator and re-calibrated it for £240.  That was a couple of years ago and it's been OK since the repair.

 

Lee

[MarkyG82]

It's a running theme that dealers want to do a complete swap rather than repair.  What happens to the swapped out assemblies?  Who knows but I suspect they end up on someones 'scrappy' repaired car.

[OJOctavia]

On 29/08/2019 at 10:55, bigjohn said:

I'd find a local specialist to properly diagnose/fix.

 

When it put on and EPC light it would have put then engine into limp home mode - which would have reduced the power. As the car is low mileage and you mention it's had regular oil changes then it may be a simpler fault such as actuator as mentioned above. 

 

I presume it'll be the EA211 engine in it as it's a mkIII Octavia by 2014 - on the EA211 the oil filter is down at the bottom of the engine

 

The earlier EA111 was know for potential oil filter misfitting issues which could leave the engine low on oil pressure - with this older design engine the oil filter is at the top of the engine above the alternator 

 

Was double checking just in case it is a late registration MKII or had a different engine spec in Ireland?

 

 

Will check the engine tomorrow

[OJOctavia]

10 hours ago, MarkyG82 said:

It's a running theme that dealers want to do a complete swap rather than repair.  What happens to the swapped out assemblies?  Who knows but I suspect they end up on someones 'scrappy' repaired car.

 

Alot of those parts get sent back to manufacturers and the dealers get another chhnk of money from the parent company as they claim its a goodwill exchange or warranty

[glosrich]

Might want to see if you can get the turbo reconditioned.

Turbo technics do them and others, will cost less than a new one.