The 2019 Election - Done and Overwhelmingly Dusted!!

[gadgetman]

2 hours ago, CWARD said:

 

Pointless having a Veto if it’s not used to prevent a treaty hence why we joined the EEC, which most of us wouldn’t have problem with, but now are part of the EU that we do have a problem with. 

We don’t have mechanism of the public voting to accept a treaty that will affect our lives like Ireland does. If we are signed up to a treaty that doesn’t benefit us we can’t get out if it either. 

Our MPs create most of our laws and we don't get to vote on them either. 

 

Not sure your point and its no different with the EU. 

 

Not pointless having a veto. As I say, it's not be used so therefore our elected MEPs and commissioner who represents us at the EU must, with authority of the government (commissioner), agree to the treaties thus far. 

[CWARD]

1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

Our MPs create most of our laws and we don't get to vote on them either. 

 

Not sure your point and its no different with the EU. 

 

Not pointless having a veto. As I say, it's not be used so therefore our elected MEPs and commissioner who represents us at the EU must, with authority of the government (commissioner), agree to the treaties thus far. 

I'm glad you’re happy then. Personally it doesn’t sit comfortable with me that Josep Borrell could ask the EU to send E12, which operates outside of PESCO, into conflict using our troops as a show of strength with a QMV. 
After all he’s already stated

 

Quote

“I am convinced that if we don’t act together, Europe will become irrelevant,” Borrell told the European Parliament in a confirmation hearing, calling for more EU joint spending on defence and a greater willingness to deploy EU battlegroups.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-eu-commission-borrell/mission-impossible-next-eu-foreign-policy-chief-warns-of-eu-irrelevance-idUKKBN1WM1QK

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/10/07/incoming-eu-foreign-affairs-chief-declares-brussels-needs-troops/

 

No veto will prevent this as it is part of the Treaty of Lisburn (28e TEU). The elected MEP's and Commissioners failed to represent us. At least the Irish had the good sense to ensure their armed forces would remain neutral out of PESCO and the E12. Gordon Brown went ahead and signed the treaty, albeit late to the event, with the backing of the Labour Party with the notable exception of the 29 who didn’t vote for it. 

Edited 27 October, 2019 by CWARD

[Dr Zoidberg]

4 hours ago, Lee_Esq said:

You have evidence that previously students have voted twice? Perhaps you'd like to enlighten us and the Electoral Commission.
I'll wait.

It’s not unheard of. I know two people that voted twice while at university, and students are more likely to be left rather than right leaning. 
 

[Ootohere]

Many in the Conservative and Unionist Government will have been students, interesting to hear that they were likely to be left rather than right.

Same with those Young Conservatives that are all over the place, going to party conferences.

[Dr Zoidberg]

9 hours ago, Roottootemoot said:

Many in the Conservative and Unionist Government will have been students, interesting to hear that they were likely to be left rather than right.

Same with those Young Conservatives that are all over the place, going to party conferences.

Why are you pretending you don’t understand what more likely means?

If a substantial majority of that age group voted labour (as they did) then a random selection of students would be more likely to be on the left than right. It doesn’t mean that there won’t be any Young Conservatives. 
 

There is also a well documented pattern of people moving to the right as they get older and their views change as you can see from the results of elections. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/datablog/ng-interactive/2017/jun/20/young-voters-class-and-turnout-how-britain-voted-in-2017

 

[Ootohere]

I understand what more likely means, it is not for ceratin that more are to the left, just likely they are,

and i understand more voters voted leave in a referendum, and in the last General Election not enough voted for Labour candidates.

Labour seemingly stand for remain, well that is debatable as well.

So If these left leaning students bothered registering, and botheted to vote then voted Labour this time it might be likely Labour still do not form the next government of the UK.

So that is a lot of 'ifs'.

http://researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/SN05125

 

PS

re

Young people 18-24 voting labour. 

 How many of the 60% are Students? ie in studies, and how many are in gainful employment & not students anyplace or are unemployed.

'Is it likely that they are in the main students?'

 

Of 'Young people' 18-24 that voted Conservative what percentage will be students?

 

 

Edited 28 October, 2019 by Roottootemoot

[shyVRS245]

Labour MP on BBC News this morning suggests Corbyn wants a General Election in 2022.

[VRS_White_Hatch]

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Labour MP on BBC News this morning suggests Corbyn wants a General Election in 2022.

 

Corbyn has been asking for a general election for the last 2 years. He knows that he will loose a lot of his core support in the north over Brexit, he knows Scotland is out of the picture pretty much for Labour. He may even be smart enough to realise that a lot of core labour supporters hate what Momentum have done to the grass roots and see the weakest opposition front bench in living memory. The ideals of labour have changed and many of its former supporters would actually dread to see the chaos a Corbyn, Abbott, MacDonnell trio of incompetence could blunder into. 

 

Labour party senior staff looking at the latest polls where they are hitting about 24% will be trying desperately to do everything they can to stop an election.

[shyVRS245]

If the Governments choice is defeated tonight for a 12th Dec election date, they have promised to bring a new bill on Tuesday very similar to the Lib Dem proposal for an election on Mon 9th Dec which seems to have support from the SNP and Lib Dem which will override Labour's wishes not to have an election this year.

[gadgetman]

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

If the Governments choice is defeated tonight for a 12th Dec election date, they have promised to bring a new bill on Tuesday very similar to the Lib Dem proposal for an election on Mon 9th Dec which seems to have support from the SNP and Lib Dem which will override Labour's wishes not to have an election this year.

But it can be amended, so unlikely to pass too. 

[shyVRS245]

Labour East MP Keith Vaz should be suspended from Parliament for 6 months following his implication to purchase cocaine for a friend a Commons Committee has announced. He has been the MP in that part of the City for 32 years and locally has a very poor reputation.

[VRS_White_Hatch]

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

Labour East MP Keith Vaz should be suspended from Parliament for 6 months following his implication to purchase cocaine for a friend a Commons Committee has announced. He has been the MP in that part of the City for 32 years and locally has a very poor reputation.

 

If you think about it he's employing rent boys on what is effectively a zero hours contract, they don't know from day to day when he needs them to work. He should offer them proper workers rights with a regulated qty of coke supplied while he bums them. 

[gadgetman]

So Boris only managed 299 in favour of an election. 

 

His one line bill isn't looking too promising. 

 

Farage is also set to reignite BXP to fight both Tory and Labour seats. 

 

Remind me again how this election will resolve any stalemate instead of being yet another excuse when the inevitable hung parliament happens? 

[@Lee]

7 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

So Boris only managed 299 in favour of an election. 

I think this is eleven Parliamentary defeats so far. So much for all the 'man up' tough talk and 'die in a ditch' bravado.
If there's anyone who can't see him for what he is by now there's no helping them.
Edit: This just popped up on the Twitters
 

[CWARD]

11 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

So Boris only managed 299 in favour of an election. 

 

His one line bill isn't looking too promising. 

 

Farage is also set to reignite BXP to fight both Tory and Labour seats. 

 

Remind me again how this election will resolve any stalemate instead of being yet another excuse when the inevitable hung parliament happens? 

What a shock Labour MP's and others who defected to another party didn’t vote for an election knowing it will result in their P45's

Edited 28 October, 2019 by CWARD

[gadgetman]

3 minutes ago, CWARD said:

What a shock Labour MP's and others who defected to another party didn’t vote for an election knowing it will result in their P45's

An election won't solve the impass. 

 

It's Boris out to get out of his bravado predicament that he cannot deliver what he's selling. 

 

So when it delivers a hung parliament again, then what? 

 

Strange how no one demanding Labour back an election can answer that. 

 

An election is yet another Boris plan which will make brexit even less likely 

[lol-lol]

14 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

So Boris only managed 299 in favour of an election. 

 

His one line bill isn't looking too promising. 

 

Farage is also set to reignite BXP to fight both Tory and Labour seats. 

 

Remind me again how this election will resolve any stalemate instead of being yet another excuse when the inevitable hung parliament happens? 

 

Not even 300, not close to half never mind tsi thirds.

 

Vote on trusting BoJo with anything more than being watef monitor and he would even be unfair on that ie two for me, none for you...

[lol-lol]

2 minutes ago, gadgetman said:

An election won't solve the impass. 

 

It's Boris out to get out of his bravado predicament that he cannot deliver what he's selling. 

 

So when it delivers a hung parliament again, then what? 

 

Strange how no one demanding Labour back an election can answer that. 

 

An election is yet another Boris plan which will make brexit even less likely 

 

Hope to have the ditch ready by Friday.

 

Think he wants a Christian ceremony or something more pagan, Driud as he so keen on blue.

 

[CWARD]

No confidence in the government but they won’t back a GE either but they would except a caretaker government if Corbyn was made PM but Lib Dem’s say no chance. All it’s proving is parliament isn’t fit for purpose. 
You could have another referendum but how you going to get the options agreed on so it can be passed by Parliament. 

What is your great plan without getting new blood in Parliament as the current lot have gone around in circles for over 3 years? How about another 3 years or 30 of nothing but stalemate. 

[CWARD]

9 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Not even 300, not close to half never mind tsi thirds.

 

Vote on trusting BoJo with anything more than being watef monitor and he would even be unfair on that ie two for me, none for you...

you don’t trust him but want to keep him power 

[Eddie-NL]

For two years Corbyn wants an election, now he doesn't.

When Boris was elected to be Conservative leader by the very small percentage of UK voters, all of the critics said it was not democratic. (which it wasn't by the majority of UK voters)

Now no one wants an election

 

What an absolute shower

[shyVRS245]

11 minutes ago, Eddie-NL said:

For two years Corbyn wants an election, now he doesn't.

When Boris was elected to be Conservative leader by the very small percentage of UK voters, all of the critics said it was not democratic. (which it wasn't by the majority of UK voters)

Now no one wants an election

 

What an absolute shower

What is the purpose of having an official opposition when the opposition don't want to govern. If you don't want to have an election then how can you hope to convince the electorate to vote for you. Conclusion is that you are scared of losing your third General Election in 4 years which will end Corbyn's ambition to become PM.

Edited 28 October, 2019 by shyVRS245
WRONG WORD

[gadgetman]

11 minutes ago, CWARD said:

you don’t trust him but want to keep him power 

No its quite nice seeing Boris backed in a corner. 

 

The longer he is left failing to deliver anything the sooner the Tories will implode. 

 

Why is he so keen to have an election over delivering his brexit promises which now have the backing of the house? 

[lol-lol]

13 minutes ago, CWARD said:

you don’t trust him but want to keep him power 

 

Bojo is not in power Parliament is, keep up.

[gadgetman]

2 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Bojo is not in power Parliament is, keep up.

A sovereign parliament. 

 

This is what they all wanted isn't it? 

 

Anyway back to the unanswered/unanswerable question. 

 

We have a general election, it delivers another hung parliament and minority Tory government. 

 

Then what?