Hi all,

I've been trawling though the web over the past few days but am coming up with surprisingly few answers.

The suspension on my 2011 1.6 greenline saloon has definitely seen better days, the back wheels are all but in the arches.

So I'm looking to replace, the easiest option would be to replace like for like, but I've no idea on cost/quality.

From what I can find online, most things seem more sports centred, to me, the car is a comfortable motorway muncher, not a hot hatch, so I'd give up a little cornering stability for more comfort on what's left of the British roads...

It does seem harsher than I might like allready (about on Par if not a touch harsher than the other halfs aygo)

That could be down to the tired suspension, but I have read that the greenline had harsher suspension anyway.

So would the standard superb suspension fit?

Would I gain from it? 

Or are there aftermarket sets out there that people would reccomend?

 

Any thoughts would be gratefully received,

Tony.

 

2 hours ago, Woosh said:

Hi all,

I've been trawling though the web over the past few days but am coming up with surprisingly few answers.

The suspension on my 2011 1.6 greenline saloon has definitely seen better days, the back wheels are all but in the arches.

So I'm looking to replace, the easiest option would be to replace like for like, but I've no idea on cost/quality.

From what I can find online, most things seem more sports centred, to me, the car is a comfortable motorway muncher, not a hot hatch, so I'd give up a little cornering stability for more comfort on what's left of the British roads...

It does seem harsher than I might like allready (about on Par if not a touch harsher than the other halfs aygo)

That could be down to the tired suspension, but I have read that the greenline had harsher suspension anyway.

So would the standard superb suspension fit?

Would I gain from it? 

Or are there aftermarket sets out there that people would reccomend?

 

Any thoughts would be gratefully received,

Tony.

 

 

The 1.6 greenline is different from the non-greenline. Greenline front springs are usually shorter to drop the front end of the car to improve the aerodynamics at the expensive of a harder ride. Just use standard 1.6TDI hatchback springs.

 

Skoda part number for a Superb MK2 hatchback 1.6TDI front spring is 3C0 411 105 B 

 

Skoda part number for a Superb MK2 hatchback 1.6TDI rear spring is 1K0 511 115 BH

 

You can find this information in the gknautomotive.com online catalogue. gknautomotive sell springs under the Spidan brand.

 

https://www.gknautomotive.com/en/AftermarketMotorsport/aftermarket/online-catalogue/

 

Spidan part number for a Superb MK2 hatchback 1.6TDI front spring is 86457

 

Spidan part number for a Superb MK2 hatchback 1.6TDI rear spring is 86455

 

Here a seller on ebay.de for these Spidan springs:

 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-SPIDAN-86457-Schraubenfeder-fur-VW/303387012449?epid=1241252003&hash=item46a3466d61:g:zAkAAOSwjONd5LwW

 

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Original-SPIDAN-86455-Schraubenfeder-fur-VW/303387480481?epid=1124857871&hash=item46a34d91a1:g:APUAAOSwU0Vd5S06

 

autodoc.co.uk is useful for finding part numbers of different makes of springs. I don't use autodoc except for information as they once sent me the wrong spring and that was the first and only time that I used them.

 

If you use ebay, you can get the seller to pay for the return postage including tracking if they send you the wrong part.

 

You can buy genuine Skoda springs, but they will probably be more than twice the price. Spidan/Suplex/Sachs are all OEM quality. There are other good makes too and plenty of bad makes.

 

A good way to search for aftermarket replacement springs is to use the Skoda part number as listings will often have the Skoda part number in them.

Edited 2 January, 20206 yr by Carlston

Great response above.

 

I have a greenline 3 and quite like the lowered suspension. I even use the recommended 38psi tyre pressures! 

 

You could try keeping the suspension and use a tyre with a more pliable sidewall or perhaps drop down the tyre pressures to 32 or so

12 hours ago, Carlston said:

The 1.6 greenline is different from the non-greenline. Greenline front springs are usually shorter to drop the front end of the car to improve the aerodynamics at the expensive of a harder ride. Just use standard 1.6TDI hatchback springs.

 

The Greenline is lowered both front and rear by 15 mm compared to the standard suspension. Stationary height is the ride height as measured between the centre of the wheel and the lip of the wheelarch. Greenline uses the sport chassis.

 

Changing to standard suspension from Greenline would require new springs and dampers all round, an expensive proposition if not needed.

 

 

Both the gknautomotive.com and optimal-germany.com online catalogues make no mention of the Greenline's rear springs being different to the standard 1.6TDI hatchback's rear springs, just the front springs being different.

 

Here's the optimal-germany.com online catalogue. Scroll down to page 422 for the Skoda Superb MK2:

 

https://www.optimal-germany.com/docs/default-source/catalogues-documents/wbm-3011.pdf?sfvrsn=ac821103_6

 

It would be useful if the OP could find out the Skoda part numbers for the front and rear springs and the front and rear shock absorbers from a Skoda parts department for the Greenline car.

Edited 3 January, 20206 yr by Carlston

10 minutes ago, Carlston said:

Both the gknautomotive.com and optimal-germany.com online catalogues make no mention of the Greenline's rear springs being different to the standard 1.6TDI hatchback's rear springs, just the front springs being different.

 

Here's the optimal-germany.com online catalogue. Scroll down to page 422 for the Skoda Superb MK2:

 

https://www.optimal-germany.com/docs/default-source/catalogues-documents/wbm-3011.pdf?sfvrsn=ac821103_6

 

It would be useful if the OP could find out the Skoda part numbers for the front and rear springs and the front and rear shock absorbers from a Skoda parts department.

The tables I posted above are from Skoda's service manual. If GKN is different, then they're wrong.

Both front and rear springs are different on the Greenline model.

 

Here are the Skoda part numbers for both the Greenline springs and the non-Greenline springs on the Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI:

 

Front spring for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI hatchback (non-Greenline) 

3C0411105B

Thickness: 12.75mm

Length: 338mm

 

Rear spring for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI hatchback (non-Greenline) 

1K0511115BH

Thickness: 12mm

Length: 364mm

 

Front spring for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI hatchback (Greenline)

3C0411105N

Thickness: 13mm

Length: 306mm

 

Rear spring for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI hatchback (Greenline)

1K0511115BT

Thickness: 12mm

Length: 329mm

 

As you can see from the above, the Greenline front springs are 32mm shorter than the non-Greenline front springs, and the Greenline rear springs are 35mm shorter than the non-Greenline rear springs. The Greenline appears to use sports springs. For example, the front Greenline front springs are used on many VW Passat models with sports suspension.

 

Don't take the above spring lengths as being precise lengths because I took the lengths from information provided by gknautomotive.com (Spidan) and Eibach. Other manufacturers may give slightly different lengths. The 32mm reduction in front spring length and the 35mm reduction in rear spring length is quite large. However, once fitted to the car the reduction in height of the Greenline model may not be quite as large as 32mm to 35mm because the shorter sports springs will be harder and therefore compress less.

Edited 4 January, 20206 yr by Carlston

That all aligns well with the tables I posted from the service manual. The spring length is probably the uncompressed length so under the weight of the car it'll be less, plus the damper adds a few mm to the ride height too.

Thank you for all your comments, I've just gone and measured roughly against the table provided by chimera,

It looks like I was correct in thinking its sagged, the fronts should sit at ~375.8mm

Both front are ~367 

The rears should sit at ~379.1

Rear Nearside is ~ 345

Rear Offside is ~348

Admittedly it's not entirely unladen, but theres not loads in the back.

I'll measure at home with it unladen just to confirm but, seems low to me.

If it is sitting on tired springs I can imagine that would explain why I'm getting a harsher ride than I expected? 

So I needn't worry about looking for different springs in an effort to improve comfort, just refitting standard parts would improve it to my mind?

Two front and two rear Bilstein B4 dampers suitable for non-Greenline springs cost about £180. Two front and two rear springs cost about £120, whether they are Greenline or non-Greenline.

 

Bilstein 22-151056

Bilstein B4 front dampers for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI (non-Greenline)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bilstein-B4-Suspension-Front-Shock-Absorber-Gas-Suspension-Damper-22-151056/141694467928?epid=248709236&hash=item20fda5ff58:g:zxYAAOSwxEldlHzq

 

Bilstein 19-151069

Bilstein B4 rear dampers for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI (non-Greenline)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0068MKPNG/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

Suplex 39311 front springs for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI (non-Greenline)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B07198B8SG/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

 

Suplex 39308 rear springs for Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI (non-Greenline)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/offer-listing/B0722V4JT8/ref=dp_olp_new_mbc?ie=UTF8&condition=new

Edited 5 January, 20206 yr by Carlston

Tyre pressure makes a big difference to ride comfort. It's easy to notice a 3psi difference in tyre pressure. It's worth checking to see if you can go to lower pressures by comparing with recommended pressures on the non-Greenline car.

 

If you have 7J rims, they will be stretching the sidewalls on your 205/55R16 tyres. This makes the ride harder. I am surprised Skoda fitted such wide rims to the Skoda Superb MK2 for this tyre size. Best to change to 6J rims.

 

Alcar 9535 6Jx16 ET50 5/112 57.1 Steel Rims

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel/alcar-kfz-9535

 

Alcar 9257 7Jx16 ET45 5/112 57.2 Steel Rims

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel/alcar-kfz-9257

 

Mytyres are usually cheaper for steel rims than Oponeo, although the mytyres website is more difficult to search for steel rims and doesn't show the Alcar model number.

Edited 5 January, 20206 yr by Carlston

7Jx16 ET45 is the type approved size for the Greenline.
 

 

Mytyres lists both the 7Jx16 ET45 and 6Jx16 ET50 for the Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI

 

Oponeo also shows that the 6Jx16 ET50 is suitable for the Skoda Superb MK2 1.6TDI

 

https://www.oponeo.co.uk/steel-wheel/alcar-kfz-9535#21072779

 

The owner's manual shows both 7Jx16 ET45 and 6Jx16 ET50 rims fitted with 205/55R16 tyres as being suitable for use with snow chains, as well as 6Jx17 ET45 rims fitted with 205/50R17 tyres. However, the 6Jx17 ET45 size might be an error as 7Jx17 ET45 rims are shown in the Skoda online parts catalogue but not 6Jx17 ET45. So maybe 7Jx17 ET45 is an approved size for snow chains and not 6Jx17 ET45. I doubt Skoda have ever made that size rim.

Edited 5 January, 20206 yr by Carlston

Thanks for the info there chaps, have only had a glance for now as works been a bit manic tonight, but it certainly looks like you know a few things about wheel and tyre sizes that I didnt!

As it goes I'm looking at some 17" rims to put on, which would come as a package with matched tyres.

See them here;

https://m.rimstyle.com/alloywheels/detail/?car_model_id=1149&year=2011&s=8AW3rvsM&tyres=Y

On 03/01/2020 at 10:03, chimaera said:

 

The Greenline is lowered both front and rear by 15 mm compared to the standard suspension. Stationary height is the ride height as measured between the centre of the wheel and the lip of the wheelarch. Greenline uses the sport chassis.

 

Changing to standard suspension from Greenline would require new springs and dampers all round, an expensive proposition if not needed.

 

 

 

 

Thank you for posting this. It's prompted a question regarding a Hunter alignment session on my Greenline II recently. I hope this isn't a thread de-rail but relevant to the overall topic of setting up the Greenline II suspension.

 

Anyhow, whilst fitting some new tyres I was offered a cheap price for a Hunter wheel alignment. Car was prepared and the Hunter's screen showed all the G chassis numbers - as per the table above. The screen also showed the chassis descriptions i.e.  'Basic' and 'Sport'. The operator chose 'Basic' and I queried this saying my Greenline II has the sport chassis. However, he was insistent that 'Standard' should be chosen. Eventually I yielded as I have no true knowledge on the subject.

 

Question is, was the Hunter operator correct to choose the Basic option rather than the Sport option when performing the wheel alignment? Looks like toe and camber settings are different between the two options.

2 minutes ago, Jules Tohpipi said:

 

 

Thank you for posting this. It's prompted a question regarding a Hunter alignment session on my Greenline II recently. I hope this isn't a thread de-rail but relevant to the overall topic of setting up the Greenline II suspension.

 

Anyhow, whilst fitting some new tyres I was offered a cheap price for a Hunter wheel alignment. Car was prepared and the Hunter's screen showed all the G chassis numbers - as per the table above. The screen also showed the chassis descriptions i.e.  'Basic' and 'Sport'. The operator chose 'Basic' and I queried this saying my Greenline II has the sport chassis. However, he was insistent that 'Standard' should be chosen. Eventually I yielded as I have no true knowledge on the subject.

 

Question is, was the Hunter operator correct to choose the Basic option rather than the Sport option when performing the wheel alignment? Looks like toe and camber settings are different between the two options.

He should have chosen the Sport chassis.

 

Camber, castor, etc. all vary as the suspension moves through its travel but they will do so around a nominal specification which is the set of alignment settings specified. These will set optimum values for the car's usual ride height but also optimise tyre contact with the road away from the static setting. One of the important parameters there is what's known as roll camber: this is the variation in wheel camber as the suspension is compressed during roll and is optimised to keep the tyre's contact patch as close to horizontal as possible to maximise grip in cornering. The suspension designer will have considered this in setting out the static specification.

 

Using the basic chassis settings on a car that's riding 15 mm lower will definitely have an impact on the car's behaviour on the road, and probably on tyre wear too. I'd be going back to the garage and getting them to do the job properly.

On 05/01/2020 at 13:52, chimaera said:

He should have chosen the Sport chassis.

 

Camber, castor, etc. all vary as the suspension moves through its travel but they will do so around a nominal specification which is the set of alignment settings specified. These will set optimum values for the car's usual ride height but also optimise tyre contact with the road away from the static setting. One of the important parameters there is what's known as roll camber: this is the variation in wheel camber as the suspension is compressed during roll and is optimised to keep the tyre's contact patch as close to horizontal as possible to maximise grip in cornering. The suspension designer will have considered this in setting out the static specification.

 

Using the basic chassis settings on a car that's riding 15 mm lower will definitely have an impact on the car's behaviour on the road, and probably on tyre wear too. I'd be going back to the garage and getting them to do the job properly.

 

Once again thank you very much for your advice and knowledge. I'm on good terms with the garage so will return this weekend to request a free second attempt at it.

 

Eibach also do an ERL (Eibach Replacement Line) in addition to their more well known lowering springs. The ERL are standard springs to match the Skoda part numbers.

 

Skoda part number for a Superb MK2 hatchback 1.6TDI front spring is 3C0411105B

Eibach R10322

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fahrwerksfeder-vorne-R10322-fur-SKODA-SUPERB-II-SUPERB-II-Kombi-3C0411105B-36/283709496160?epid=26033983406&hash=item420e675b60:g:socAAOSwbm9d9AnC

 

Skoda part number for a Superb MK2 hatchback 1.6TDI rear spring is 1K0511115BH

Eibach R10529

https://www.ebay.de/itm/Fahrwerksfeder-hinten-R10529-fur-SKODA-SUPERB-II-1K0-511-115BH-36-209712-428/392586609573?epid=21033979063&hash=item5b67fc43a5:g:MvEAAOSwgFpd9AnB#vi-ilComp

Edited 7 January, 20206 yr by Carlston