The Coronavirus (COVID-19) Topic.

[moley]

4 hours ago, Aspman said:

I think the problems with lockdowns in the UK (and France) are cultural. Basically there is a significant anti-authoritarian streak in the national makeup. Tell people they can't go out and 15% will make it their sole purpose to go out even if they wouldn't have previously.

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French police fine more than 4,000 people for violating coronavirus lockdown

https://www.france24.com/en/20200318-france-coronavirus-lockdown-violation-attestation-epidemic-christophe-castaner-public-health

[Sad555]

14 minutes ago, moley said:

https://www.france24.com/en/20200318-france-coronavirus-lockdown-violation-attestation-epidemic-christophe-castaner-public-health

And we q for toilet rolls

[Sad555]

3 hours ago, Tilt said:

 

I think it is past the time.................but usually better late than never..............if? anyone has any good ideas to try.

 

And I also think this is how government should be ran in general, period. Cross party, with the brightest and best for each position.

 

But then again different people want different things.

 

 

Careful what you wish for remember mr Corbin and ms abbot might get involved!

[@Lee]

4 hours ago, Wino said:

 

Doesn't really matter, cos none of us including him can possibly know. But if you don't try, you won't succeed?

I think - despite his past record of inspiring loathing and ridicule within me - he's acting a bit more like an adult than usual, and it's a welcome change.

 

Agree with the first part of that.
As for the second part I have to respectfully disagree. He may appear to be more adult like but there's no leadership. He's expecting people to just abide with the suggestions of keeping their distance and washing their hands. The pubs and restaurants are still open and those that are closing are doing it of their own volition. He needs to act like his hero Winston but I think history won't look kindly on his inaction.

[@Lee]

I'm hearing that if Boris doesn't 'get the virus done' in 12 weeks from today then he is just going to 'die in a ditch' and walk away from it with no cure.

Because the virus needs us more than we need a cure.  

[@Lee]

Chap on Newsnight arguing that Boris Johnson's idea that we must come to our own conclusions to do what's best.
Boris Johnson's father said Brits couldn't spell Pinocchio if they tried and the man himself said working class Brits are likely to be drunk, criminal, aimless, feckless and hopeless. 
Good luck. 

[Lady Elanore]

Boris's dad nailed it with his description of me then. Wonder if we have met?  

[@Lee]

25 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

Boris's dad nailed it with his description of me then. Wonder if we have met?  

You'd know if you had due to one shoe missing a heel  

[lol-lol]

Anybody any ideas why British pound lost so much in exchange rate to the Euro over the last month ?

 

I can understand the slip in the Pound against the US Dollar as the USD one of the currencies of safety in troubled times but why the Euro so strong relatively when there is such problems in France, Italy and Spain ??

 

Like the pound against the Dollar the pound Euro moved 10% plus in a month !! ..............................

Working for a company who reports in Euros, pays much of its outgoings in US Dollar ie International Air, Rail and Sea Freight, and facilitates imports and exports, these Rates of Exchange, as to our UK customers, is a key factor, but I am struggling to see why there is the relative strength in the Euro ?? 

 

Edited 20 March, 2020 by lol-lol

[moley]

8 hours ago, Lee01 said:

I'm hearing that if Boris doesn't 'get the virus done' in 12 weeks from today then he is just going to 'die in a ditch' and walk away from it with no cure. 

The report I read this morning quoted that Boris said 'we can turn the tide in 12 weeks' not that it will all be over in 12 weeks. 

[essexalan]

9 hours ago, Sad555 said:

And we q for toilet rolls

No sign of social distancing there then. Buying gold rather than bog rolls seems like a good idea but you can't eat either of them.

[Ootohere]

Boris Johnson & Nicola Sturgeon need to get a grip of things and with the likes of Britannia Hotels take action against them, even seizing their properties for the nations to secure accommodation if they are going to just evict workers they decide to sack.

http://dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-hotel-slammed-after-firing-21722233

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 20 March, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[Aspman]

1 hour ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

Boris Johnson & Nicola Sturgeon need to get a grip of things and with the likes of Britannia Hotels take action against them, even seizing their properties for the nations to secure accommodation if they are going to just evict workers they decide to sack.

http://dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scots-hotel-slammed-after-firing-21722233

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I wonder if the eviction would actually be illegal under the emergency powers granted the other day to stop evictions.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/complete-ban-on-evictions-and-additional-protection-for-renters

 

I'm not sure if that has passed yet or not.

[Ootohere]

A lady was on the radio this morning from some Farmers Organisation, possibly Farmers Union.

 

The 70,000 soft fruit pickers and packers are needed, then the other agricultural workers for food and non food growing etc.

So she reckons there are people in the UK getting in touch wanting work and some of these are in towns and cities and will need to travel to or move to stay in the countryside.

 

She said that many businesses had Mini-busses and transport and many have accommodation available and people that normally would rather be seen dead in a ditch (paraphrase)

might be able to take up these normally OK paid jobs.

 

Lets see what the Government do towards this simply clever plan. 

Get the fit and health and unemployed but collecting benefits out into the good country air or dark cool sheds and living in mobile homes and hotels and B&B's with no customers and supplying & feeding the UK population.

 

Only issue is Matt Hancock MP and others who's organisational  skills are basically zero, and all they can do is talk the good talk.

[lol-lol]

Quite a healthy bounce in the FTSE 100 this morning, perhaps inspired by Boris's 12 weeks message last night.

 

Guy on radio said his pension pot had gone down from over £150k to less than £125k and he is close to retirement.

 

Tough decisions to stick or twist.

 

  

[Ootohere]

You wash your hands and keep you fingers crossed and do not get financial advice from Jacob Rees Mogg MP or invest with him because they will rob you rotten.

People someplace must be making a fortune still and that will include Tesco, Walmart / Asda, Sainsbury, Waitrose etc.

 

Then all the past Secretary's of State for Health and Ministers or Leaders and buddies with directorships, consultancies & investments in the Health & Care Industry, Supplies etc.

So that is a lot of them, Nick Clegg, David Cameron, William Haig, Ian Duncan Smith, Jeremy Hunt, Andrew Lansley, John Redwood, Graham Brady, Damian Collins, David Davis, Michael Fallon, Liam Fox, George Freeman, Philip Hammond, Sajid Javid, Jo Johnson, Kwasrsi Kwateng, Peter Lilley, Maria Miller, Andrew Mitchell, Penny Mordaunt, Jesse Norman, George Osborne, Priti Patel, Jacob Rees Mogg, Amber Rudd, Sir Malcolm Rifkind, Nicholas Soames, David Willetts, Nadhim, Zahawi, Tim Yeo, Vince Cable & that is just some of the well known names.

Edited 20 March, 2020 by Roottootemblowinootsoot

[shyVRS245]

WHO say that it took 12 weeks for the first 100,000 cases worldwide. However it took only 12 days to double to 200,000 cases.

[Cakemonster]

16 hours ago, Lady Elanore said:

 

 

If only I could find some celery 😞

 

I've never seen so much..... sorry. 

 

[Grc]

Saw this on the BBC today. It's so very sad, I hope the Supermarkets do something about making sure our Doctors, Nurses, Paramedics, Emergency workers have a way of getting their basic home groceries and supplies. Surely there must be a way of doing something to ensure these people who put their lives at stake to take care of all the sick and ill can get their needed supplies. I doubt panic buying will reduce, but there has to be a better solution for this. Maybe some of the large supermarkets keep aside stock for these people? Maybe the huge stores like Tesco Superstores etc.?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-51966337/coronavirus-nurse-s-despair-as-panic-buyers-clear-shelves

[@Lee]

3 minutes ago, Grc said:

Saw this on the BBC today. It's so very sad, I hope the Supermarkets do something about making sure our Doctors, Nurses, Paramedics, Emergency workers have a way of getting their basic home groceries and supplies. Surely there must be a way of doing something to ensure these people who put their lives at stake to take care of all the sick and ill can get their needed supplies. I doubt panic buying will reduce, but there has to be a better solution for this. Maybe some of the large supermarkets keep aside stock for these people? Maybe the huge stores like Tesco Superstores etc.?

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-51966337/coronavirus-nurse-s-despair-as-panic-buyers-clear-shelves

This image says it all.
 

[Grc]

2 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

This image says it all.
 

 

 

Our large superstores have to do something about keeping stock aside for our healthcare workers. We are in for the long haul with this pandemic, and something must be done by the large supermarket chains to help those who are out there looking after us all. 

 

We need to start writing to our superstores about ensuring they put in processes and changes to ensure these people get their essential supplies. Maybe a best way is to reach them on their twitter channels? Let's all do it. 

[Grc]

I have put a message on the twitter channels for Aldi, Lidl, Morrisons, Iceland, Tesco. 

I request others on this forum to please do the same. We need to push our superstore chains to ensure our healthcare and emergency workers have access to stock and essentials at all times. 

[shyVRS245]

BP announced yesterday that all emergency service vehicles such as Ambulance, Paramedics, Police, Doctors, Fire Brigade can get FREE fuel from any BP garage to help during this crisis.

[Grc]

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

BP announced yesterday that all emergency service vehicles such as Ambulance, Paramedics, Police, Doctors, Fire Brigade can get FREE fuel from any BP garage to help during this crisis.

 

Henceforth I'm only going to top up my tank with BP fuel!! Thank you BP.

[lol-lol]

10 minutes ago, Grc said:

 

 

Our large superstores have to do something about keeping stock aside for our healthcare workers. We are in for the long haul with this pandemic, and something must be done by the large supermarket chains to help those who are out there looking after us all. 

 

We need to start writing to our superstores about ensuring they put in processes and changes to ensure these people get their essential supplies. Maybe a best way is to reach them on their twitter channels? Let's all do it. 

 

Too many businesses have adopted the "Just in Time" lean running profile and no it comes home to roost.  How marginal is their capacity that the cannot double up on deliveries though I suppose they have drivers, loaders etc so their capacity is actually impaired due to this so it is not just demand but crippling and crumbling supply chain in some cases due to the effect of the epidemic on their and other staff they rely on.   

No mention of Disney in the below list, very surprised. Slightly worrying the Government could not spell Distributor correctly. 

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-maintaining-educational-provision/guidance-for-schools-colleges-and-local-authorities-on-maintaining-educational-provision

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If your work is critical to the COVID-19 response, or you work in one of the critical sectors listed below, and you cannot keep your child safe at home then your children will be prioritised for education provision:

Health and social care

This includes but is not limited to doctors, nurses, midwives, paramedics, social workers, care workers, and other frontline health and social care staff including volunteers; the support and specialist staff required to maintain the UK’s health and social care sector; those working as part of the health and social care supply chain, including producers and distributers of medicines and medical and personal protective equipment.

Education and childcare

This includes childcare, support and teaching staff, social workers and those specialist education professionals who must remain active during the COVID-19 response to deliver this approach.

Key public services

This includes those essential to the running of the justice system, religious staff, charities and workers delivering key frontline services, those responsible for the management of the deceased, and journalists and broadcasters who are providing public service broadcasting.

Local and national government

This only includes those administrative occupations essential to the effective delivery of the COVID-19 response, or delivering essential public services, such as the payment of benefits, including in government agencies and arms length bodies.

Food and other necessary goods

This includes those involved in food production, processing, distribution, sale and delivery, as well as those essential to the provision of other key goods (for example hygienic and veterinary medicines).

Public safety and national security

This includes police and support staff, Ministry of Defence civilians, contractor and armed forces personnel (those critical to the delivery of key defence and national security outputs and essential to the response to the COVID-19 pandemic), fire and rescue service employees (including support staff), National Crime Agency staff, those maintaining border security, prison and probation staff and other national security roles, including those overseas.

Transport

This includes those who will keep the air, water, road and rail passenger and freight transport modes operating during the COVID-19 response, including those working on transport systems through which supply chains pass.

Utilities, communication and financial services

This includes staff needed for essential financial services provision (including but not limited to workers in banks, building societies and financial market infrastructure), the oil, gas, electricity and water sectors (including sewerage), information technology and data infrastructure sector and primary industry supplies to continue during the COVID-19 response, as well as key staff working in the civil nuclear, chemicals, telecommunications (including but not limited to network operations, field engineering, call centre staff, IT and data infrastructure, 999 and 111 critical services), postal services and delivery, payments providers and waste disposal sectors.

If workers think they fall within the critical categories above, they should confirm with their employer that, based on their business continuity arrangements, their specific role is necessary for the continuation of this essential public service.