Anyone want a job?

[S00perb]

broccoli pickers required

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/12/one-workers-experience-at-coronavirus-hit-herefordshire-farm

 

[shyVRS245]

1 minute ago, S00perb said:

broccoli pickers required

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/12/one-workers-experience-at-coronavirus-hit-herefordshire-farm

 

They were probably specially flown from Romania.

[Ootohere]

So some newspaper article was written, what is the point, it is hard work and things are different this year and in future years for 2 reasons.

 

The tens of thousands of seasonal agriculture and horticulture workers have to come from someplace to work in the UK as well as those that travel within the UK to work on farms and in facilities.

So nothing new there then, the only difference is that many that usually come are not because the UK voted for Brexit and then this year there is Covid 19.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YqhK-VZGHwM

 

 

 

 

 

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[S00perb]

Somehow we need to get the fruit and veg picked

https://theconversation.com/the-real-reasons-why-british-workers-wont-pick-fruit-80152

Maybe we need to enforce 1 year of picking in exchange for free education - the gap year pick

[shyVRS245]

9 minutes ago, S00perb said:

Somehow we need to get the fruit and veg picked

https://theconversation.com/the-real-reasons-why-british-workers-wont-pick-fruit-80152

Maybe we need to enforce 1 year of picking in exchange for free education - the gap year pick

This is a very common problem since those born since 1990 in the UK seem to be generally lazy in their attitude to work. One of my work colleagues who is 59 this year is married to a woman who refuses to get a job and they have 2 adults in their 20's who also make zero effort to find a job. He is soft and allows the 3 of them to claim benefits while he is the only earner and payer of taxes in a family of 4 white UK born adults. How common do you think this is? No wonder we have to fly help in from Europe where wages and hardwork are sometimes lower and their attitude is much better than someone of the same age.

[Breezy_Pete]

An interesting read, @S00perb, thanks for posting.

[Ootohere]

British People and people living in Britain do pick fruit though.

 

What puts many off is that they need to live 'at the place of work',  because the jobs are not local to them.

The days of Berry Busses leaving the Towns and Cities are over in the Main.

(The ones run in Tayside by the family that started Stagecoach are still on the road in some cases.)

 

So many might want to do Gap Years and rough it around the world, or have a nice time in hostels etc, but not live in Mobile Homes / Caravans in the UK.

 

PS

Education is not free, tax payers are paying for it.

 

Maybe those that are not in Employment but have outstanding Student Loans should be conscripted into 'Land Work'. 

But the there is the issue that you can lead a horse to water but not make them drink, or maybe they want to drink but not do any work.

Edited 13 July, 2020 by Roottoot

[Ootohere]

@S00perb

Are you currently a UK resident or an economic migrant someplace other than in the UK?

Just wondering where you are since you posted that "Somehow we need to get the fruit and veg picked." which applies in every country around the world.

 

The Home Secretary and the Minister for Justice and other Senior and Junior Ministers and MP's, Councillors and Civil Servants can no longer ignore the Slave Trade in Factories producing clothes and other products that were common knowledge and not Open Secrets or any kind of Secret as the Covid 19 breakouts have revealed.

The 'grey economy' that the UK has allowed for decades now needs addressed, slum landlords and many dodgy councillors and council or government inspectors and agencies need looked at.

Time maybe to start looking at Party Donors first, and is their incomes legit.

 

Anyone can move on up in any business or industry with hard work and maybe luck.

 

 

Edited 13 July, 2020 by Roottoot

[@Lee]

I'm firmly of the belief that whoever creates a mess should be the one(s) that cleans it up. 

[Ootohere]

Very true, at protests, festivals, wild camping, parking places, fly tipping etc.

But no politician is going picking & packing fruit & vegetable crops, unless George Eustice MP helps out in the family business.

 

Every country has people coming in from other countries to do menial hardworking jobs that need doing, even the countries with the poorest of economies find people from a poorer economy.

 

Just today the Conservative & Unionists are standing up in the commons saying that there are so many in the UK looking for work or that are going to have to get jobs and that the highly skilled can come in from around the world.

The invitation is there for 3 million to come to the UK from Hong Kong.

 

So there are going to be plenty in the UK to do front line Health & Social Care, low skilled, semi skilled and highly skilled work.

 

How can the UK go wrong now with the leadership Boris and cabal are providing.

[S00perb]

2 hours ago, Roottoot said:

@S00perb

Are you currently a UK resident or an economic migrant someplace other than in the UK?

Just wondering where you are since you posted that "Somehow we need to get the fruit and veg picked." which applies in every country around the world.

 

The Home Secretary and the Minister for Justice and other Senior and Junior Ministers and MP's, Councillors and Civil Servants can no longer ignore the Slave Trade in Factories producing clothes and other products that were common knowledge and not Open Secrets or any kind of Secret as the Covid 19 breakouts have revealed.

The 'grey economy' that the UK has allowed for decades now needs addressed, slum landlords and many dodgy councillors and council or government inspectors and agencies need looked at.

Time maybe to start looking at Party Donors first, and is their incomes legit.

 

Anyone can move on up in any business or industry with hard work and maybe luck.

 

 

 

Currently locked down in Wales (have an apiary here) but I have clients all over the world in many different industries, so work in many places - not fond of the term economic migrant - can have very misleading connotations. The UK may stick foreign workers in appalling accommodation but working abroad has changed since the days of Auf Wiedersehen Pet

Every country need pickers, yes. The UK is making changes that will make it very hard to get them though.

That Vid shows how we could be doing it, they seem a good company - make that the norm and we may have a chance of getting the workers we need. As good as they are, that place still imports many people that will become harder soon.

Ask a rich person if it was luck or hard work - they will usually say hard work. But luck is massively underrated IMHO.

 

 

[Ootohere]

@S00perb  Do you grow and produce your own food and get rid of your own waste where ever you are laying your hat at any perticular time by using it to fertilise and improve the ground you use to feed yourself, and that same question needs asking of @Lee01.  Do you clean away your own sewage or are you happy to pay others to take that responsibility?

 

Expat is a misleading term used in the UK and which those living and spending elsewhere use.

Migrants or immigrants is more like it, even if temporary. 

Edited 13 July, 2020 by Roottoot

[S00perb]

8 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

@S00perb  Do you grow and produce your own food and get rid of your own waste where ever you are laying your hat at any perticular time by using it to fertilise and improve the ground you use to feed yourself, and that same question needs asking of @Lee01.  Do you clean away your own sewage or are you happy to pay others to take that responsibility?

 

Expat is a misleading term used in the UK and which those living and spending elsewhere use.

Migrants or immigrants is more like it, even if temporary. 

Not quite sure where you are going with that. In Wales I produce quite a bit of food for myself and others, have my own water supply and waste system, same in Germany. Not an easy thing to do while travelling. Why?

Borders are a man made construct, as is nationalism - like many man made constructs, you believe in them or you don't. If you believe in them you only restrict yourself, not others.

[Ootohere]

@S00perb i was just interested in where you might stand on buying produce and how and where it comes from.

You will be one that pays those that work for them more than minimum wages to do the upkeep and work when you are not doing it.

 

Actually there are no Internal Borders within the UK which is one country, (or actually 4 countries and nations or there would not be nationalists)

physical or metaphorically according to Jacob Rees-Mogg, and only areas and districts.

They are going to speak next month about the Northern Ireland / EU Border or maybe not,

and more about the travel restrictions and border controls and checks and new employees and facilities required now.

 

Micheal Gove MP was having a wee laugh today in Westminster at Pete Wishart MP and getting home across the Border from England that obviously does not exist physically or metaphorically if he needed to quarantine. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 13 July, 2020 by Roottoot

[mrgf]

I was gonna get a job as a veggie picker but the wife wouldn't lettuce! (Thank you, mr Tim Vine)!

Edited 13 July, 2020 by mrgf

[S00perb]

13 minutes ago, Roottoot said:

@S00perb i was just interested in where you might stand on buying produce and how and where it comes from.

You will be one that pays those that work for them more than minimum wages to do the upkeep and work when you are not doing it.

 

Actually there are no Borders within the UK physical or metaphorically according to Jacob Rees-Mogg, and only areas and districts.

They are going to speak next month about the Northern Ireland Border or maybe not, and about the travel restrictions and border controls and checks and new employees and facilities required now.

 

Micheal Gove MP was having a wee laugh today at Pete Wishart MP and getting home across the Border from England if he needed to quarantine. 

 

 

 

" i was just interested in where you might stand on buying produce and how and where it comes from." - that's easy - best place to buy is a farmers market - French village markets being the best on the mainland.

JRM obviously didn't try to get to Wales over the last few months

JRM"a border is where one may get stopped" - he would have done by the police on the Welsh border, passport or not.

 

 

 

[gadgetman]

6 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

This is a very common problem since those born since 1990 in the UK seem to be generally lazy in their attitude to work. One of my work colleagues who is 59 this year is married to a woman who refuses to get a job and they have 2 adults in their 20's who also make zero effort to find a job. He is soft and allows the 3 of them to claim benefits while he is the only earner and payer of taxes in a family of 4 white UK born adults. How common do you think this is? No wonder we have to fly help in from Europe where wages and hardwork are sometimes lower and their attitude is much better than someone of the same age.

I'm pretty sure the majority or people won't go picking fruit and veg for minimum wage regardless of when they were born. 

 

I'd also bet a lot of the boomers moaning at millennials not getting out there and picking wouldn't themselves either. 

 

Same with other minimum wage jobs like hospitality or cleaning toilets. 

 

So let's not chastise those who are willing to do the things we won't just because of where they come from. 

[shyVRS245]

Well talking about the desire to do a job for well below minimum wage it has been known for at least 40 years in Leicester and exposed by SKY NEWS yesterday that in Keith Vaz's old Leicester East area of the City that their are as many as 10,000 slaves working in sweat shops making cheap clothes for companies from Primark to M & S and paying workers as little as £3 per hour. Why don't they complain about this, because they are here illegally or claiming unemployment benefits whilst working either of which will get them in trouble while they are exploited by the millionaire businessmen. Keith Vaz knew about this and ignored it probably because the same businessmen were supplying him with free other services.

[@Lee]

IIRC it's the Home Offices job to enforce minimum wage and UK Border Forces job to deal with illegal migrant workers.
Did Keith Vaz even know about it and if so, did he report it? 

[Ootohere]

They all know about those being paid under the minimum wage, and illegal immigrants, be that Tory, Plastic Socialist, Libdem fence sitters.

Cameron, Osborne, May, Hammond, Sharma, Pitel, Johnson, Gove and on and on, as did Blair, Brown, Darling.

Even Nigel Farage knew.

 

The UK Governments stopped bothering about the numbers not allowed to remain in the UK or work in the UK a long time back.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53075318

 

I mentioned the Grenfell disaster previously on here and how that gave an idea of how many illegal immigrants were living there.

That got a thumbs down from those that can hear,see and say no evil.

Same with Covid 19 showing again just how many might be illegally in the UK by some ending up in hospital or sadly dead.

The Governments like the Grey Economy just as it is.

 

Edited 14 July, 2020 by Roottoot

[@Lee]

I'd be checking the local con clubs to see which local business owners pop in for a G&T and see who'd shoulders they rub. 

[Ootohere]

HMRC and the IT really are not fit for purpose.

Nor the Treasury.  These businesses are there making profits, should be paying taxes, and might well do banking.

But, then many do not 'Bank' in the traditional way of banking, loans are done within the community, on a shake of a hand, the piece of paper that shows the gold that covers the amount borrowed and the whole thing is about honour.

 

There are those that are 'bankers' / money lenders' but do not work in or for banks, just for those lending and those borrowing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaudhry_Mohammad_Sarwar

 

http://p2pfinancenews.co.uk/2020/07/13/islamic-p2p-lending-platform-launches-in-the-uk

https://theconversation.com/explainer-how-does-islamic-finance-work-19670

 

She was the co-chairperson of the Conservative & Unionist party and at the heart of Government.

Actually she was the Chairman of the C&UP.

Selectively blind, deaf and dumb about many issues in the UK. But a lawyer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayeeda_Warsi,_Baroness_Warsi

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12237958

 

 

'All in this together.'

http://bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-18225881/baroness-warsi-in-expenses-disput

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 14 July, 2020 by Roottoot

[Lady Elanore]

It's an interesting article in the first post. I'm about to resume a job that will last 18 days. I'm having the C-19 test later this week and assuming I pass will enter a bubble of people allowed to work in the building. Each section has it's own toilet and sanitisation station and we will be retested for C-19 as time goes on. The various crews have to stay in the approved hotel and a couple of floors have been isolated for us to stay in. Breakfast can be either a take away bag or you can sit in a ringfenced section of the building. Our other colleagues are in their own bubble, working just outside the building, but we are not allowed to go into their area or physically meet them. Usual PPE stuff applies with distancing and masks etc apply as well as regular temp taking, enforced hand cleansing and medical declarations forms of various natures will be mandatory and it will be a slightly unpleasant job in that sense. But it's fantastic to have some work and a little discomfort physically and socially, is a damn sight better than having a ventilator tube shoved down your throat. 

[john999boy]

55 minutes ago, Lady Elanore said:

It's an interesting article in the first post. I'm about to resume a job that will last 18 days.

It'll be nice for you to actually get some money (in whatever time period they pay) after so long being sidelined.

At a guess, are you liable to be working in the centre of a large conurbation not too far from me?

[shyVRS245]

Crucible Theatre, Sheffield, World Snooker Championship would be my guess.