Can anyone tell me if its normal to get around 260 from a full tank in town driving on my 1.4tsi 150ps dsg? Seems to be very poor economy.. I'm not a heavy driver 

It sounds appalling to me but without more information it is impossible to say whether it is unreasonable.

 

1) Not all fuel gauges are accurate, and some prompt for a relatively early fill. So when you refuel how many litres usually go in  for the 260 (miles or kilometres)?

2) What town in which country, just to get an idea of likely traffic conditions. Big difference between Aberdeen and Mumbai  

3) What is your long term average speed? What is your average journey distance?

 

I have an 2014 1.4tsi Octavia and an open road run I expect to get 55+mpg

A cold start short run ( < 5km) from home and I will be lucky to get better than 40mpg.

My worst ever consumption was about 20mpg. It was across our city centre which has traffic lights every 100/150 metres and I caught everyone of them. I had five people in the car, the aircon on full blast due to the 45+ deg C temperatures. Funnily enough there was very little traffic but in the circumstances I consider the consumption was pretty good.

8 hours ago, Josc said:

Can anyone tell me if its normal to get around 260 from a full tank in town driving on my 1.4tsi 150ps dsg? Seems to be very poor economy.. I'm not a heavy driver 

Very poor

 

I'll explain more later

Mine (Manual not dsg) is averaging 41mpg, with a pretty much 50/50 city centre and dual carriageway A roads.

That equates to 350 to 400 miles from a tank, so I think you may have a problem.

I don’t thrash it, but I don’t try to eek out mpg either, it’s in normal mode and just gets driven. In fact I always turn off the stop start and make sure it gets a decent regular dose of heavy right foot as I believe this is good for the turbo operation.

I don’t know how anyone gets 60,70, 80 mpg, out of these without some serious effort.

 

We've averaged 45mpg in the 4 years we've owned our 1.4TSI Elegance estate, which equates to around 450 miles before I feel the need to find a petrol station.

Edited 25 August, 20205 yr by PetrolDave

10 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

It sounds appalling to me but without more information it is impossible to say whether it is unreasonable.

 

1) Not all fuel gauges are accurate, and some prompt for a relatively early fill. So when you refuel how many litres usually go in  for the 260 (miles or kilometres)?

2) What town in which country, just to get an idea of likely traffic conditions. Big difference between Aberdeen and Mumbai  

3) What is your long term average speed? What is your average journey distance?

 

I have an 2014 1.4tsi Octavia and an open road run I expect to get 55+mpg

A cold start short run ( < 5km) from home and I will be lucky to get better than 40mpg.

My worst ever consumption was about 20mpg. It was across our city centre which has traffic lights every 100/150 metres and I caught everyone of them. I had five people in the car, the aircon on full blast due to the 45+ deg C temperatures. Funnily enough there was very little traffic but in the circumstances I consider the consumption was pretty good.

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm driving around Manchester, most driving is short journeys a lot of stop start, usually I fill up when orange light comes on and then reset the odometer and by next time light comes on it's only around 260 miles, I notice quite often the gears dont change till slightly over 2000rpm dont know if that's normal or not but engine sometimes sounds like it's over revving. 

Most of the times I'm alone in the car and hardly use the AC so cant really understand the poor consumption. 

Thanks 

2 hours ago, Josc said:

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm driving around Manchester, most driving is short journeys a lot of stop start, usually I fill up when orange light comes on and then reset the odometer and by next time light comes on it's only around 260 miles, I notice quite often the gears dont change till slightly over 2000rpm dont know if that's normal or not but engine sometimes sounds like it's over revving. 

Most of the times I'm alone in the car and hardly use the AC so cant really understand the poor consumption. 

Thanks 

I have never driven around Manchester so don't know how compares with say London which I am more familiar with, but short journeys in a major city are never going to be good.

 

I know you say you refill when the orange light comes on but that can vary from car to car, so for mine it comes on about the 45 litre remaining mark while some have commented/complained theirs (mostly diesel) prompts after 40 litres used or less.  It would help us to know how much fuel you put in the tank for your 260 miles. The official tank size is 50 litres but its actual capacity is closer to 55 litres although I would not recommend testing that without a jerrycan.

 

I have a manual but 2000 revs is a reasonable change up point for a DSG, others can offer more informed advice on that point.

 

How does your Octavia's consumption compare with other petrol cars you have driven in the same environment? 

Edited 25 August, 20205 yr by Gerrycan

@Josc

It would mean more if you said the age of the car.

The miles it has done?

What servicing has been done, like have the spark plugs had a change, has the air filter been looked at and changed if needed.

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How many litres do you put in for each 260 miles travelled.

 

If your car was build between 2013-2015 there might be a Service Campaign' outstanding on the DSG.

'34H5' a software update.

THat would have no affect on the Fuel Consumption though as your car is being driven and not in for repair.

I would have thought that the DSG consumption should be pretty similar to the manual - possibly a little better. My 1.4 TSI SE L M6 combi regularly gets more than 400 miles to a tank - the most I have ever managed to put is 48 litres (with remaining range showing as less than 10 miles) Most of my mileage is done on an 18 mile round trip commute to work, averaging 22MPH over the past 1500 miles. I tend to shift up at around 2000 RPM - and don't exactly trickle away from the lights!   

4 hours ago, e-Roottoot said:

@Josc

It would mean more if you said the age of the car.

The miles it has done?

What servicing has been done, like have the spark plugs had a change, has the air filter been looked at and changed if needed.

?

How many litres do you put in for each 260 miles travelled.

 

If your car was build between 2013-2015 there might be a Service Campaign' outstanding on the DSG.

'34H5' a software update.

THat would have no affect on the Fuel Consumption though as your car is being driven and not in for repair.

It's a 2016 model, supposedly been well maintained, I fill up full from the light coming on is around 48 litres

@Josc Pretty poor then.

 

Look in the Air Box and see the condition of the Air Filter to get an idea of maintenance and how recent there was any.

 

Are you sitting with the engine off in the stop start traffic or is the engine on all the journey?

Under 25mpg might be expected in the coldest of winter with short journeys, or in a taxi sitting idling for a long time between the wheels turning.

Time sitting going nowhere uses fuel that really does not work out the same as MPG. No miles covered while sitting around.

Edited 25 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

10 hours ago, Josc said:

Thanks for the reply.

 

I'm driving around Manchester, most driving is short journeys a lot of stop start, usually I fill up when orange light comes on and then reset the odometer and by next time light comes on it's only around 260 miles, I notice quite often the gears dont change till slightly over 2000rpm dont know if that's normal or not but engine sometimes sounds like it's over revving. 

Most of the times I'm alone in the car and hardly use the AC so cant really understand the poor consumption. 

Thanks 

Just filled up today full (45 litres) said on screen my average has been 35mpg since last full tank which gave me 350 miles but that was half motorway/ A roads and half in town surely it should be higher then that☹

1 hour ago, Josc said:

Just filled up today full (45 litres) said on screen my average has been 35mpg since last full tank which gave me 350 miles but that was half motorway/ A roads and half in town surely it should be higher then that☹

 

I would be disappointed if I got that consumption from my 1.4tsi which is the most economical petrol car I have owned, although a loan 1.0tsi Fabia I had for a week was remarkably good.

The thing is you have still not provided enough information for us to work out whether the real cause is you, your driving environment or the car.

Do you turn stop/start off? If you don't turn it off then does it actually work at all? If not then you may require a new battery.

 

Driving technique is important, my wife and I get comparable consumption on the open road, but I will usually get up around 30% better consumption than she does when driving around Adelaide outer suburbs. That is purely down to driving technique as we achieve similar average speeds.

 

The only way you can really assess if the car is performing reasonably is when you are next on a reasonably flat highway (motorway or A road), set the cruise control to around 60 mph and look at the actual consumption display. If you are not getting around 50mpg or better then your car may have some technical issue to be addressed.

 

As you can tell I am a bit obsessive on the subject and even though I have always driven economically I have had cars that had really bad consumption, although they did have either big engines or were AWD.

 

Should be around 38 40 mpg for town work , that's what i get in my manual, and have had 65 on a long run , set the driving to normal 

 

Edited 26 August, 20205 yr by skippy41

9 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

 

I would be disappointed if I got that consumption from my 1.4tsi which is the most economical petrol car I have owned, although a loan 1.0tsi Fabia I had for a week was remarkably good.

The thing is you have still not provided enough information for us to work out whether the real cause is you, your driving environment or the car.

Do you turn stop/start off? If you don't turn it off then does it actually work at all? If not then you may require a new battery.

 

Driving technique is important, my wife and I get comparable consumption on the open road, but I will usually get up around 30% better consumption than she does when driving around Adelaide outer suburbs. That is purely down to driving technique as we achieve similar average speeds.

 

The only way you can really assess if the car is performing reasonably is when you are next on a reasonably flat highway (motorway or A road), set the cruise control to around 60 mph and look at the actual consumption display. If you are not getting around 50mpg or better then your car may have some technical issue to be addressed.

 

As you can tell I am a bit obsessive on the subject and even though I have always driven economically I have had cars that had really bad consumption, although they did have either big engines or were AWD.

 

I always turn off stop/ start as soon as but seems to work ok when I leave it on, I will try do a run on an A road and see what happens. Thanks for that

2 hours ago, skippy41 said:

Should be around 38 40 mpg for town work , that's what i get in my manual, and have had 65 on a long run , set the driving to normal 

 

Wow that's incredible,  I notice it says average speed 30mph so what type of journey did you get this mpg?

17 minutes ago, Josc said:

Wow that's incredible,  I notice it says average speed 30mph so what type of journey did you get this mpg?

79 mile run A roads average 50 mph, It has never gone over 35mph average for some reason, even on a 480 mile trip from Scotland to Plymouth, still had 200 miles left in the tank

 

Edited 26 August, 20205 yr by skippy41

2 hours ago, Josc said:

I always turn off stop/ start as soon as but seems to work ok when I leave it on, I will try do a run on an A road and see what happens. Thanks for that

I know quite a few members dislike the engine auto-stop, although M6 owners do have rather more control over when the engine stops. Depending on the length of stops I think that you will increase your economy by an indicated 2 - 4 mpg if you leave it enabled - at least that is what I find. Not a real lot, but even a couple of miles is pretty tiresome lugging a jerrycan!

It should be noted that the fuel computer may be a little optimistic compared to actually working out miles to litres used, also remember that your odo is probably reading a little high (along with the speedo) when compared with GPS.

Thats fairly terrible.  The only antidote I can offer is my husband drove that exact spec car as a curtosy car from our dealer in Edinburgh back home.  The car DSG gearbox was up down the range like a yoyo and would cause the vehicle to wildly rev before changing up....very un-nerving and really bad MPG from his experience....1/2 a tank of fuel for the 100 mile round trip!!!! (and he is a super careful driver).

 

Things that might need to be looked at:

 

1) Make sure that air filters and oil are all good and clean

2) Make sure you don't have sticking brake calipers

3) Tyres pressures are all good.

 

Failing that; its back to the dealer to see if there is revised firmware for the ECU / DSG gearbox.  If it is a DQ250 or a DQ200 then I would also want to look at performing a service on it as well.

@e-Roottoot will also want to tell you about a firmware recall.  We have differing opinions here, but the general concenus is check to make sure there are no recalls and I would state that DQ200 box will need a service.

 

@varaderoguy

What 'Firmware' recall is there on a 2016 1.4 TSI with DQ200 DSG in the UK or Europe?

http://skoda-auto.com/services/recall-actions

 

There is a RECALL in Australia on up to 2016 DQ200's but not on ones fitted by Skoda to Skoda's. Started late 2019.

 

@varaderoguy

Maybe look at DQ200's and DQ250's.  There really is no common issues.

The DQ200 can have Oil changes of both oils, but there is no Service Schedule or Guidelines.

 

A DQ250 does require Oil Changes and there is just one oil needed. & a filter.

 

Edited 26 August, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

On 25/08/2020 at 14:35, Gerrycan said:

I have never driven around Manchester so don't know how compares with say London which I am more familiar with, but short journeys in a major city are never going to be good.

 

I know you say you refill when the orange light comes on but that can vary from car to car, so for mine it comes on about the 45 litre remaining mark while some have commented/complained theirs (mostly diesel) prompts after 40 litres used or less.  It would help us to know how much fuel you put in the tank for your 260 miles. The official tank size is 50 litres but its actual capacity is closer to 55 litres although I would not recommend testing that without a jerrycan.

 

I have a manual but 2000 revs is a reasonable change up point for a DSG, others can offer more informed advice on that point.

 

How does your Octavia's consumption compare with other petrol cars you have driven in the same environment? 

This is the strange thing..

I had before this an 06 reg 1.6fsi petrol Octavia 5 gear manual and used to get better mpg in town and motorway...

@Josc

You had a Euro 4 emissions car then and now with your Euro 6 emissions vehicle it is supposed to emit less pollution which is kidology really if it drinks more unleaded.