Cold morning today and leaving the house I had to do a classic turn right and accelerate into the traffic. Needless to say I got the front wheels tramping.  None of my previous cars (Yeti tdi, Passat tdi estate, Passat 1.8 petrol estate) did this.  The car is fitted with Bridgestone Turanzas, that I do not like, a noisy tyre. 

 

Is this a peculiarity of the car (1.5 Tsi DSG, FWD) or the tyres.

 

Does it do this with other makes of tyres? 

 

tom

 

 

Edited 17 December, 20205 yr by Sanqhar
Added "FWD"

I'm guessing this is a FWD model.  Tall car, weight transfer, cold tyres, cold road and the way that the 1.5 TSI / DSG combo delivers power = wheelspin, I'm afraid.  

 

I've lost count of the times I've read people complaining about how prone this car is to spinning up the front wheels.  

My first two 2wd Yetis also did this, as did previous Superb, common in a front wheel drive car.

Yes it is common, your car has summer tyres, but the tyres and road were cold.   The tsi engines are fairly light (compared to great chunk of cast iron in a diesel), so not a lot of deadweight to improve friction.

 

The only solution is to use all season tyres (or winter tyres).   What you have discovered is that since all season tyres have been introduced in last few years, summer tyres have become more summer like, and are hard and not grippy in cold weather.   The Bridgestone Turanza T005 summer touring tyre came out in 2018 (after Bridgestone had introduced the weather control A005 all season)

 

As a rough guide, since the introduction of all season tyres, all seasons are for -5c to +25c (will work outside this range, but not as good), latest summer tyres are best +7c to +40c (starts nearer +11c in wet).   Obviously latest summer tyres are not designed for all year use in UK climate.

 

It is annoying that can’t specify all season tyres from new, but you can choose 4wd with summer tyres, a combination which is less effective in cold rain / slush / snow / frost than 2wd and 3PMSF (3 peak mountain snowflake rated) tyres.

 

If you want a recommendation I would suggest Goodyear Vector 4 season Generation 3, or Continental all season contact tyres.  But whatever you choose it is frustrating to have to sell at give away prices your existing nearly new tyres.

 

 

Edited 17 December, 20205 yr by SurreyJohn

Never been happy with these tyres.....

 

 

@Sanqhar try the TC off and see if that stops the brakes being nipped at because the rather poor tyres are spinning.

My 1.0tsi does it as well on the same tyres. I put it down to the lighter engine but its probably 50% tyres too

They've fitted those tyres to a lot of Skoda's for years now.

 

Had them on my previous 2008 Octavia 1.9 TDI DSG.

 

They were awful. Grip was terrible and they were really noisy.

Hmm,

 

On my way home now stuck behind a guy dawdling for England.

 

Opportunity to overtake coming out of a slow corner, floored it in second and got wild wheelspin. ( 2WD & Wet roads up here).  But no axle tramp at all, and I'm on Turanza's. I'd forgotten how torquey the 2.0 TDi is........

What is being called axle tramp here happens because the wheels do spin, the TC / ASR nips the brakes and the tyres are also getting grip.

Being on the wet you will be getting the wheel spin and not getting the grip to cause the bang.

Edited 17 December, 20205 yr by e-Roottoot

That's definitely a possibility. While having the wheels turned then outer wheel is more likely to spin freely due to the open diff.

 

They have then a fake limited slip diff where the brake is applied to the spinning wheel to force more torque to the other wheel.

 

This combined with the spin and the traction control could have felt like tramping.

The front tyres on my SEL 1.5 manual,  Bridgestone Turanzas on 18" rims have been very noisy especially on some motorway surfaces have also worn quite quickly (14,000 miles) and in this wet weather have poor grip although the tread is now fairly low.

 

What would owners advise as a replacement?

I'd honestly recommend some all seasons of some sort.

 

As long as you're not expecting track day performance in the summer they are the best all round tyre. And especially good for the wet winter months.

 

You'll also appreciate them should you have any snow or ice.

1 hour ago, Karock said:

The front tyres on my SEL 1.5 manual,  Bridgestone Turanzas on 18" rims have been very noisy especially on some motorway surfaces have also worn quite quickly (14,000 miles) and in this wet weather have poor grip although the tread is now fairly low.

 

What would owners advise as a replacement?

Firstly you really ought to get the tyres swapped front-back to even out the wear, ideally when about 4mm of tread on front, but maybe bit late if tread is already low.

 

I am sticking with my suggestion of Goodyear vector 4season Generation 3, or Continental all season contact.  Both very good for all year use in UK climate.

 

 

Michelin CrossClimate+ were my choice a few years ago, but from recent tyre testing reports they've now fallen behind the Goodyear and Continentals mentioned above. But there's apparently a 3rd generation Michelin on the way, so that may take the crown again. 

 

You have to watch the test conditions being used by the magazines, as the German ones in particular place a lot of weight on their performance in snow, which is less of a problem for me in the Midlands and so I place a greater priority on their performance in rain.

 

Chris

12 minutes ago, CJJE said:

Michelin CrossClimate+ were my choice a few years ago, but from recent tyre testing reports they've now fallen behind the Goodyear and Continentals mentioned above. But there's apparently a 3rd generation Michelin on the way, so that may take the crown again. 

 

I've had CrossClimate+ on my Yeti since early this year.  I've not driven on snow and ice with them yet but in all other conditions, they've been brilliant and I like to make good progress.  

12 minutes ago, Schtum said:

 

I've had CrossClimate+ on my Yeti since early this year.  I've not driven on snow and ice with them yet but in all other conditions, they've been brilliant and I like to make good progress.  

As I did on my previous Golf SV. But my new Karoq is wearing Bridgestone Duelers and I'm still waiting to find out just how much I'll miss them this winter!

 

Chris 

Thanks for all the advice, I never bother to swap tyres front to back as I prefer to change tyres 2 at a time rather than fork out for 4 in one go.

I just prefer to have more tread on the front, I think it is safer if the steering wheels have more grip than the rear ones in very wet conditions?

Then I can change all 4 in one go so all the same type and make, rather than a mixture.

9 minutes ago, kenfowler3966 said:

I just prefer to have more tread on the front, I think it is safer if the steering wheels have more grip than the rear ones in very wet conditions?

Then I can change all 4 in one go so all the same type and make, rather than a mixture.

I agree with you, but I think the official advice from tyre experts is to have the best tyres on the back! 

I would rather steer into a skid and recover stability, which I would do instinctively having been in that situation before and doing the right action without time to think, than slide straight on when I want to turn. Oversteer is probably safer for an inexperienced driver though?

Plus with a 4x4 the rear wheels may have more grip and push the car straight forward instead of turning as required when manouvering?