MY17 Superb Retrofitted with Direct TPMS

[JR RS]

I can see Gandalf's Pressure now!! 

woOot 😁

After months n months of planning, I finally retrofitted the Direct TPMS (Tire Pressure Monitoring System).

It all went well and everything is working as expected.

 

Turns out the module (5Q0 907 273 B ) was already parameterized (the VCP bit), so once I did the VCDS coding bits, it was all running.

I will however need to update (via VCP) the TPMS module's parameter file so it has the right tire profiles, but it's all good now 👍

Very happy I am 😊.

 

I'll put a write-up together, but essentially it involves:-

Part 1 - TPMS Installation. Mount module under rear bumper and tap (into the blind spot radar) CANBUS Extended.

Part 2 - TPMS Power.  Run power source through interior trim to fuse panel up front, for constant power supply..

Part 3 - VCDS Coding of CAN Gateway, Instruments and ABS modules.

Part 4 - VCP to load parameter file for TPMS module.

Part 5 - Install Tire internal sensor inside tire.   

 

some pics below......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

the unit is accessible from underneath the bumper - no need to remove the bumper to access it.  just incase.

Edited 5 January, 2021 by JR RS

[MartiniB]

Congratulations!
Crazy Man, in this word best meaning

 

I'm fully satisfied with lot cheaper alternative -
3.61€    2020 Direct TPMS Set
53€    2017 Direct TPMS Set
 

[boydeee]

Excellent work! Did you need to code each sensor to its position so it knows how to display the relevant pressure? 

[JR RS]

6 hours ago, boydeee said:

Excellent work! Did you need to code each sensor to its position so it knows how to display the relevant pressure? 

 

Nope, no coding of the sensors.  e

Each tire sensor had already been paired with the receiver.

Plug n play.

 

So when fitted, it knows which sensor is where based on the distance of the sensors relative to it.

Hence why the receiver must b mounted right at the back.

[boydeee]

Just now, JR RS said:

 

Nope, no coding of the sensors.  e

Each tire sensor had already been paired with the receiver.

Plug n play.

 

So when fitted, it knows which sensor is where based on the distance of the sensors relative to it.

Hence why the receiver must b mounted right at the back.

Ah I see thank you! My wife's car has TPMS as standard and I wanted to fit steel wheels for winter and I would need to source new sensors. I wondered if they'd need coded to the car somehow. It's a non VAG car so I was just curious as to how it worked. Thank you 👍

[JR RS]

32 minutes ago, boydeee said:

Ah I see thank you! My wife's car has TPMS as standard and I wanted to fit steel wheels for winter and I would need to source new sensors. I wondered if they'd need coded to the car somehow. It's a non VAG car so I was just curious as to how it worked. Thank you 👍

 

Ah, I c ur scenario with winter wheels.

Thankfully we don't have a need like that here in Oz.

 

I'm not sure how, or if, the TPMS module is able to pair with two different sets of sensors.

 

With regards to programming the sensors, I know that it is done via some specialist tools. 

Nothing ordinary.

The usual suspects such as ODIS, VCP or VCDS doesn't cut it.

[JR RS]

10 hours ago, MartiniB said:

Congratulations!
Crazy Man, in this word best meaning

 

I'm fully satisfied with lot cheaper alternative -
3.61€    2020 Direct TPMS Set
53€    2017 Direct TPMS Set
 

 

The alternatives r good, n do the job, but it doesn't beat OEM integration.

 

Initially, after seeing the difficultly level on this direct tpms version, I was going to with plan b - the alternatives.

But I decided to stick to my guns n go the whole hog.

Happy I did.

[Guest]

Can you come to NZ and do mine?

 

[langers2k]

11 hours ago, boydeee said:

Ah I see thank you! My wife's car has TPMS as standard and I wanted to fit steel wheels for winter and I would need to source new sensors.

 

It depends what system your wife's car has. Indirect systems don't have physical pressure sensors, instead they rely on rotational differences between the wheels (via the ABS sensors) so would just need resetting. Direct systems like the OP has fitted need physical sensors so either new sensors or moving them from the other rims.

 

12 hours ago, boydeee said:

I wondered if they'd need coded to the car somehow. It's a non VAG car so I was just curious as to how it worked. Thank you 👍

 

That'll just depend.

 

The style the OP has fitted are pretty clever, it uses a combination of signal strength and rotation direction to figure out which wheel they are fitted on. They can be moved around the car or even fitted to other cars and the TPMS module figures it out pretty quickly. There is no pairing so after a short drive it should pick up after a summer/winter tyre/sensor swap. When I did fitted a similar TPMS system to my old Octavia, I bought sensors from 3 different suppliers and the module found them without any user intervention 

 

However, other systems (for instance the VAG orange sensors) need coding using a TPMS tool and then fitting to a specific wheel. The Chinese systems are also typically designed for a specific sensor in each wheel.

 

Other manufactures probably have their own (similar) systems so without knowing your Wife's car, it's hard to give specific advice

[MartiniB]

23 minutes ago, langers2k said:

the module found them without any user intervention 

perfect!

 

  

16 minutes ago, langers2k said:

The Chinese systems are also typically designed for a specific sensor in each wheel.

dTPMS from Ali can be paired to another winter/summer sensors set,

but they must be from the same producer, even when display device looks exactly same :(

 

order can be changed manually

 

[boydeee]

39 minutes ago, langers2k said:

 

It depends what system your wife's car has. Indirect systems don't have physical pressure sensors, instead they rely on rotational differences between the wheels (via the ABS sensors) so would just need resetting. Direct systems like the OP has fitted need physical sensors so either new sensors or moving them from the other rims.

 

 

That'll just depend.

 

The style the OP has fitted are pretty clever, it uses a combination of signal strength and rotation direction to figure out which wheel they are fitted on. They can be moved around the car or even fitted to other cars and the TPMS module figures it out pretty quickly. There is no pairing so after a short drive it should pick up after a summer/winter tyre/sensor swap. When I did fitted a similar TPMS system to my old Octavia, I bought sensors from 3 different suppliers and the module found them without any user intervention 

 

However, other systems (for instance the VAG orange sensors) need coding using a TPMS tool and then fitting to a specific wheel. The Chinese systems are also typically designed for a specific sensor in each wheel.

 

Other manufactures probably have their own (similar) systems so without knowing your Wife's car, it's hard to give specific advice

Thanks @langers2k. They are indeed direct sensors. My local garage offered to swap them between wheels for me. However, there would be the hassle of balancing both sets of wheels after swapping between wheels and the risk of damage on the diamond cut alloys 😳

 

I think I'll look into it properly for next winter when life is perhaps a bit more normal! Fortunately the standard Skoda system is simple and wheel swapping is not an issue! 

 

 

[whitevx]

On 06/01/2021 at 20:12, defiant said:

Can you come to NZ and do mine?

 

We can now, thank feck

[whitevx]

@JR RS another excellent mod mate and as always you're full of information and knowledge.

 

Thank you mate.

[JR RS]

1 hour ago, whitevx said:

@JR RS another excellent mod mate and as always you're full of information and knowledge.

 

 

they say "sharing is caring" 

Edited 13 May, 2021 by JR RS

[Haystack1]

On 05/01/2021 at 19:38, JR RS said:

Part 2 - TPMS Power.  Run power source through interior trim to fuse panel up front, for constant power supply..

Hi JR,

 

why the need for constant power?

[JR RS]

1 hour ago, Haystack1 said:

why the need for constant power?

 

that is because of how the TPMS module is designed.

if u use switched power, it will cause CANBUS errors.

 

its the same for other models (Kodiaq) and in various VW and Audi models, where direct TPMS is used.

 

if u don't want to run the power wire to the fuse box up front, u can tap into the 12v boot power supply, in the boot, as it has constant power. 

 

this was my initial plan, but i decided i to do it properly and leave my 12v boot power supply intact, and run the wire to a fuse tap up front.

[AlVal]

The bracket part number I got from etka doesn't look like yours. Have you got a part number for yours by any chance? Yours looks correct, I don't think mine is good.. 

[JR RS]

Part number of the bracket I got is 3G0907538.

 

AU $25.95 6%OFF | For VW Passat B8 TPMS Sensors Holders Support Bracket 3G0907538 3G0 907 538

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mOSKJQn

[bubib5]

Sorry to bump an old thread, but i was meaning to do this, and then had other things to do, so would you @JR RS mind listing all the parts you used, as in their respective part numbers?

I do have the blind spot monitoring, so i guess i will tap into there as you did, not sure if the rear bumper needs removing, i guess it does to tap into the can network.

Thank you in advance!

[ApertureS]

3 hours ago, bubib5 said:

Sorry to bump an old thread, but i was meaning to do this, and then had other things to do, so would you @JR RS mind listing all the parts you used, as in their respective part numbers?

I do have the blind spot monitoring, so i guess i will tap into there as you did, not sure if the rear bumper needs removing, i guess it does to tap into the can network.

Thank you in advance!

4x wheel sensors

1x antenna receiver 

1x bracket 

1x wiring loom/plug/terminals 

 

then you need odis or vcp to parametrise it

[JR RS]

9 hours ago, bubib5 said:

Sorry to bump an old thread, but i was meaning to do this, and then had other things to do, so would you @JR RS mind listing all the parts you used, as in their respective part numbers?

I do have the blind spot monitoring, so i guess i will tap into there as you did, not sure if the rear bumper needs removing, i guess it does to tap into the can network.

Thank you in advance!

 

U can find the part numbers in the 1st page of my build thread.

Link in my signature.

 

Yes, u definitely need to have the rear bumper off.

Plus u need to run a power wire to a permanent 12v power source in the fuse box under the glovebox, hence u'll need sill panels off, boot trim panels off, so u can route the wire to the front.

Edited 26 January, 2022 by JR RS

[RT_SGP]

@JR RS - Thank you for sharing this with the community. I am Roy from Singapore and I current drive a Skoda Superb L&K manufactured in year 2020. 

Inspired by your post, I too bought the VW TPMS module, sensors and mount. My car tyre shop installed the internal sensors in my car 2 days back and I will need to progress forward with the installation of TPMS module and wiring. 

 

I am not sure how to proceed with step 3 and 4 (VCDS & VCP) so will need to google more and figure out how this can be done.  

 

 

[MartiniB]

with alternative, independent, dTMPS kit these positions not required

16 hours ago, ApertureS said:

4x wheel sensors

1x independent receiver with state display

1x antenna receiver 

1x bracket 

1x wiring loom/plug/terminals 

 

then you need odis or vcp to parametrise it

 

10 hours ago, JR RS said:

Yes, u definitely need to have the rear bumper off.

Plus u need to run a power wire to a permanent 12v power source in the fuse box under the glovebox,

hence u'll need sill panels off, boot trim panels off, so u can route the wire to the front.

 

additionally it will show temperature too

53€       2017 Direct TPMS Set works well since 2017. jun

3.61€    2020 Direct TPMS Set not tested yet
 

[JR RS]

1 hour ago, MartiniB said:

with alternative, independent, dTMPS kit these positions not required

 

additionally it will show temperature too

53€       2017 Direct TPMS Set works well since 2017. jun

3.61€    2020 Direct TPMS Set not tested yet
 

 

True, but it's not integrated into the car, like OEM 😉

[JR RS]

9 hours ago, RT_SGP said:

@JR RS - 

I am not sure how to proceed with step 3 and 4 (VCDS & VCP) so will need to google more and figure out how this can be done.  

 

 

 

I'll post up the exact VCDS/OBDEleven coding steps shortly.

I'll also post up the link that allows u to create the RDX parameter file, to b loaded via VCP/ODIS.