Well, as they say: "you can't have everything at the same time" 🤨

while I've managed to resolve issue with the in-call microphone quality by simply fitting OEM mic I was slapped by the head unit with 'Component Protection.

 

so, I'm looking for a Competent person or a workshop in a Basingstoke are who would be able to help me out or it will be a costly trip to local dealer 😕

 

Edited 13 November, 20223 yr by P3P5I
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Component Protection (CP) appears to be a some sort of 'taboo' among VAG specialists with access to ODIS?!

 

It was mentioned here, or maybe on the sister Up! forum, that a lot of owners where told that Swing radio WILL NOT WORK in pre-FL models. I need to ask than, what is the definitions of WILL NOT WORK?!

 

Unit was working fine. Radio, Bluetooth (full support for making and answering calls even via MSFW), SD Card, USB (was coded for charging only at the time).

 

It worked until CP kicked in. So, I went to few garages to make enquiries to deactivate CP. 3 of them said NO - straight away. 2 of them could not find the way to have it disabled?! So my question is - is this realy happening? It was doable in Czech and Slovakia but it is not doable in UK?!

Did you try a main dealer?  I've read before on other head units they can code it to your VIN.  

@maxychat and this is where it gets even more interesting. I went to local VW dealer - Ive received a very dirty look and a straight - NO. Today  I visited my local Skoda dealer and they refered me to the independent VAG specialist with whom they worked before!?

 

I was under the impression, that this is what will happen that unit will be coded to my VIN rather than donor's.

 

Also, I was told at Skoda, that all the procedures are being dealt via ODIS on-line and therefore, all the queueries are being dealt by a massive VAG database somwhere in the world. Basically, if this database will say this unit cant be used in this car - it will not happen. So, Im puzzled BIG time?!

2 hours ago, P3P5I said:

@maxychat and this is where it gets even more interesting. I went to local VW dealer - Ive received a very dirty look and a straight - NO. Today  I visited my local Skoda dealer and they refered me to the independent VAG specialist with whom they worked before!?

 

I was under the impression, that this is what will happen that unit will be coded to my VIN rather than donor's.

 

Also, I was told at Skoda, that all the procedures are being dealt via ODIS on-line and therefore, all the queueries are being dealt by a massive VAG database somwhere in the world. Basically, if this database will say this unit cant be used in this car - it will not happen. So, Im puzzled BIG time?!

The reason behind CP (Component Protection) is to secure the item against theft, and this is probably why the main dealers won't touch the part.

An independant garage will have ability if they have passed security checks be able to use the same software as a dealer and be more willing to try.

 

There is Service42 for coding database, and this has a VIN list and all the coding for all modules for each VIN stored, this is able to be updated via SVM coding so if someone flashes a module and the coding needs changing, it can both code the new module with different new values, and then update the remote Service42 database for next time a comparison is made.

 

The next major one, and important for your situation is the FAZIT database, this holds VIN's of stolen cars and then marks all modules for that VIN as stolen.  This is checked before any coding/changes to modules can be made, fail this and no CP removal or new coding.  The garage that performed the task, if they do this too many times will be blocked forever, which is another reason main dealers will often not do this.

 

 

Bottom line, if the part passes through the FAZIT database without a hit, then it can then have CP removed/unlocked to allow it to adopt the new VIN and coding for the radio and all your car modules be adjusted.

@varooom Your reply explains very much about how things works.

 

I have no guarantee that the part (in this case Head Unit) did not come from the vehicle marked as stolen, despite it was purchased trough the official source and I have invoice to prove that it was aquired legally. How it ended up and the reasons behind why this vehicle ended up at the breakers yard it is indeed different story. Hopefully everything will be OK.

 

Any tips, that I could gently suggest to whoever will be attempting to remove the protection? At the same time, I dont want to come across as a person who tells a technician what to do 😉

26 minutes ago, P3P5I said:

@varooom Your reply explains very much about how things works.

 

I have no guarantee that the part (in this case Head Unit) did not come from the vehicle marked as stolen, despite it was purchased trough the official source and I have invoice to prove that it was aquired legally. How it ended up and the reasons behind why this vehicle ended up at the breakers yard it is indeed different story. Hopefully everything will be OK.

 

Any tips, that I could gently suggest to whoever will be attempting to remove the protection? At the same time, I dont want to come across as a person who tells a technician what to do 😉

If it came from a breakers yard, odds are you should be fine, unless car was stolen/crashed.

 

With paper trail, you and garage should be ok.

 

 

Anyone with the capacity to do what you want shouldn't need directions, best hand over keys/radio and let them do their job 🤝

1 hour ago, varooom said:

If it came from a breakers yard, (...) With paper trail, you and garage should be ok.

I consider myself a meticulous person and I do keep every single invoice/delivery note for parts bought 🤭

 

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Anyone with the capacity to do what you want shouldn't need directions, best hand over keys/radio and let them do their job 🤝

well, Ive seen a technician fidling with ODIS for about 20mins and in the end he told me that IT CAN NOT BE DONE?! at least I was not charged for his time. Fair play.

 

@varooom and @maxychat I would like to thank You for Your kind words, and I will keep you posted on the matter.

I guess you won't be going back there in a hurry.

I have visited yet another indepentent VAG specialist and - sadly - no luck.

 

It's weird as accordingly to the technician, car does NOT communicate with the radio unit albeit everything worked for couple of days (prior the component protection kicked-in) as it should I.e. Time correctly displayed on the radio as well as outside temperature.

 

So I'm absolutely puzzled what's going on?😵

As mentioned in other threads, I managed to do this:

 

Pre-facelift (2013, stalks are old type) Citigo with facelift cluster and radio.  They are paired, so cluster and radio are OK with eachother.

 

Did you change your BCM too? I had to do that too because the newer BCM's got the "5F" (media) module in it.

2 hours ago, RickB said:

As mentioned in other threads, I managed to do this:

 

Pre-facelift (2013, stalks are old type) Citigo with facelift cluster and radio.  They are paired, so cluster and radio are OK with eachother.

 

Did you change your BCM too? I had to do that too because the newer BCM's got the "5F" (media) module in it.

 

I salute You @RickB ‼️‼️

 

Yes, Ive changed BCM at some point so the CCS and MFSW would work. Should I try to update BCM again? Or, should I revert to stock and try to pair with the radio and swap over again?

 

Radio is visible in VCDS under both 56 - Radio and 5F - info(something).  CAN Gateway installation list was manually updated. Saying that, one of so called specialist told me that there is no radio in the list and that 5F is not RADIO?! Cant post the scan here, sorry 😳 Same with OBD11 - radio can be seen under both adresses.

 

At this stage, I dont know what should I do 🧐 So far all so called independent VAG specialists I went to - told me"it will not work"

@maxychat a quick question for You in regards of Your mobile phone holder and integrated USB port.

 

Is that USB for:

A - charging only?

B - charning + data transfer?

 

Ive read somewhere, that on the charging side it is not the quickest one? 🤔

4 hours ago, P3P5I said:

I salute You @RickB ‼️‼️

 

Yes, Ive changed BCM at some point so the CCS and MFSW would work. Should I try to update BCM again? Or, should I revert to stock and try to pair with the radio and swap over again?

 

Radio is visible in VCDS under both 56 - Radio and 5F - info(something).  CAN Gateway installation list was manually updated. Saying that, one of so called specialist told me that there is no radio in the list and that 5F is not RADIO?! Cant post the scan here, sorry 😳 Same with OBD11 - radio can be seen under both adresses.

 

At this stage, I dont know what should I do 🧐 So far all so called independent VAG specialists I went to - told me"it will not work"

 

 

I went from 1S0937090B to 1S0937090F  BCM, also ran two wires from the BCM directly to the cluster, since I had no communication with the indicator stalk on the cluster.

 

I was told the radio is communicating with the cluster/speedometer. This has always been the case with VAG cars, but this is one step further -> CP.

The man I went to who helped changed the EEPROM and FLASH data for me in the used facelift cluster and also had the radio paired with it via someone at the Volkswagen/Skoda dealer.

 

I've heard MIB units can run a couple of hours without the CP handshake of the cluster though.

 

Here you can see it getting paired on the bench with the cluster itself: 

 

 

1 hour ago, P3P5I said:

@maxychat a quick question for You in regards of Your mobile phone holder and integrated USB port.

 

Is that USB for:

A - charging only?

B - charning + data transfer?

 

Ive read somewhere, that on the charging side it is not the quickest one? 🤔

 

It is B, it also transfers data, you can plug in a USB-stick with music on it aswel.

Charging is really not the fastest no, but it does what it supposed to do. 

 

Edited 24 November, 20223 yr by RickB

18 hours ago, P3P5I said:

@maxychat a quick question for You in regards of Your mobile phone holder and integrated USB port.

 

Is that USB for:

A - charging only?

B - charning + data transfer?

 

Ive read somewhere, that on the charging side it is not the quickest one? 🤔

 

Hey  @P3P5I yeah as mentioned above it's does data plus charging but slowly.  From an iPhone/iPad it's reads all the song names or audiobooks etc.

 

The charging is so slow if an iPad mini has a dead battery it's unable able to start it up annoyingly.  On a long journey the iPad mini would lose a few % battery but it's fine as long as it has a bit to start with. 

 

On my set up Apple Music and Google Maps come through the data cable from the iPad Mini but it's also connects at the same time to my iPhone via Bluetooth for calls.  ie it connects to both.  I tested this today by disconnecting the iPad mid call and it just lost the music and maps but didn't drop the call.  

Bit of an update.

 

Yet another VAG specialist visited, this time I had a chance to look over his shoulder. Sadly, no luck this time either... however... I know whats the fault altough I do not know what does it mean 🧐😕🤨

 

ODIS returned a following message:

No KS master (and something about gateway)

 

and was told by the tech: it will not work as Your car is NOT a MIB platform! and Your car clearly is not communicating with the radio!

 

my question is WTF?!

 

Which component is responsible for whether is a PQ or MIB platform? Is it BCM or Instrument Panel?

 

Ive already replaced my BCM to latest model 090J at the time of one of the previous retrofits. or is it simply due to incorrect VCDS coding (settings)?

I'm 100% certain the radio can work in your car, it was working before the CP kicked in.  Also my Citigo is pretty much a pre-facelift model with the new radio and headlights swapped in, it still has pre-facelift exterior and fog lights and pre-facelift instrument cluster too [i.e. the little screen illuminates green].

 

I suspect your speedometer along with the radio will need adapting for the radio to work 

@maxychat many thanks for Your kind words.

I just went crazy, and bought a maxi dot instrument panel from the very same car as the radio came from. Im aware, that speedometer will have to be coded to be used with my car. However, the "Wizard of VAG" wont be able to say its not going to work as BCM, Instrument panel and radio will be from the same car. thats theoreticaly, as practicaly I already have 1S0937090J BCM and the car ive got the bits from has exactly the same BCM, therfore I dont see a point of replacing it 😏

 

When it comes to pairing individual units, Im wondering if it would be easier to perform certain tasks with units "out-of-the-car" 🤔

 

On 24/11/2022 at 19:23, RickB said:

Here you can see it getting paired on the bench with the cluster itself: 

 

 

 

It is B, it also transfers data, you can plug in a USB-stick with music on it aswel.

Charging is really not the fastest no, but it does what it supposed to do. 

 

On the linked video it looks so easy...

 

I have read Your thread on the radio retrofit, I have ordered the required USB cable as the one I have (also from Ali) seem to not work at all. Thats the problem with Ali, sometimes You wait for the order fro weeks and when it arrives its either completely different to what You  have ordered or simply dont work. But, the price relfects the quality.

Thanks to @maxychat and @RickB who has provided me with contact details to VAG Wizard up in Netherlands! I have exchanged couple of emails with this guys and his knowledge is absolutely amazing!

 

ODIS error 'no-KS Master' was caused by lack of facelift instrument cluster as this, in a way, controls the radio unit (sorry if Im using wrong terms).

 

So, dear reader, if You want to benefit from the facelift radio in Your car - You will also need a FL speedo!  Having both parts from the same donor car may simplify Component Protection removal process.

Bit of an update, replacement Instrument Cluster arrived yesterday

 

it is NOT a maxidot but still will look better than a OEM green backlight

 

will keep You posted on the progress.

Yeah I was wondering which speedometer you got since I don't think Citigo ever came with a Maxidot, only the VW UP, and I think it's just reused from a VW Beetle too.   The black screen ones are really nice, I'm still don't understand why my facelift car doesn't have it!

 

 

@maxychat I have to admit, that I was bit disapointed when it turned out NOT to be maxi dot display 🧐 however, it will still look better that original from the pre-FL.

 

One of the main reasons, why I went with THIS speedometer in particular, is that it comes from the same vehicle as the radio. Therefore, the whole retrofit process should be slightly easier.

 

10 hours ago, maxychat said:

don't understand why my facelift car doesn't have it!

That it realy strange? Maybe because it is an early FL model? well, You can always change it 🤪thats if You havent done it yet

@maxychat I had a quick look on eBay and Autotrader, and it appears that early FL lift models had new shape HeadLight altough retaining round front fog lamps, received new radio but at the same time - retained old instrument clocks. Accordingly to the ads, the were sold/marketed as 2017 🤔

Yeah that's exactly what I have, probably early production FL model and definitely pre-facelift cluster inside!  It's actually really nice looking - I really do prefer it to full FL exterior.  If you get the radio and cluster working then you'll only need FL headlights and your car would be indistinguishable from my early FL model

9 minutes ago, maxychat said:

Yeah that's exactly what I have, probably early production FL model and definitely pre-facelift cluster inside!

I hate when Companies do that, it is new but not so new 🤨

 

9 minutes ago, maxychat said:

 you'll only need FL headlights and your car would be indistinguishable from my early FL model

My Dad own FL citigo, and I have to admit that I absolutely love the new FL front wih the new shape headlights and aggresive fogs. If and when I would decide to change headlight, most likely I would also go with FL Monte Carlo front bumper 😏

 

 

Edited 30 November, 20223 yr by P3P5I