19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Don't we all wish we lived in a £2m house, it was just a reflection of the price disparity between your neck of the woods and mine, which is not strictly correct as there are some houses that can accommodate 2 cars around the £850,000 mark.

Well, if I can get a house with double length driveway cheaper than £850k in tube zone 4 Greater London, I'm sure there are more affordable houses with driveway elsewhere in UK. One only have to look. Rightmove have a helpful "driveway" filter, even back in ~2014.

 

Not experienced condensation dripping from glass roof thus far. It may well do as the car ages and as the glass roof becomes contaminated with finger prints and other stuff. I've resisted touching it, it may be coated to prevent such thing.

17 minutes ago, @Lee said:

I'm not interested in side arguments via PM Graham. You can ask me here or not at all.

Ok, fair enough but you have taken it the wrong way.

 

I was just interested in learning what your ICE car is that your comparing it to an EV, after all @wyx087has declared what his car is.

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

17 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

It may well do as the car ages and as the glass roof becomes contaminated with finger prints and other stuff. I've resisted touching it, it may be coated to prevent such thing.

Oh, so the car is pretty new to you, 1st Telsa or what and how old? I've somehow or other formed an opinion that you have had this car for some time.

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

Condensation dripping from a glass roof was my problem.

But only because i was taking a dog out 4 or 5 times in a day and no further than 1.5 miles each time and heating on and back in to a cold car with a wet dog and the windows cracked open when i go into the shop and eventually condensation and me not wiping and then ice and next time melting.

 

So the circumstances likely to have icing up inside of any small car or maybe even an ICE Mini used the same way, or a bigger car with a dog or 3 or people.

Location location location.

All my previous cars with a sun roof had a solid sliding cover and not just a net sliding black out screen.

My Shogun did get a bit of mould starting on the headliner because it sat lots but the wind deflectors meant i could leave the windows down a little.

My Jimnys were the same as in i had them many years and they were always aired or a heater in them when parked, only one was a bit damp because not used for 3 years. 

 

@Leeasked about me putting insulation between the glass and a screen and i had already done that with pieces of closed cell camping mat.

I will see how that has done because not used the car since.

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

26 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Ok, fair enough but you have taken it the wrong way.

 

I was just interested in learning what your ICE car is that your comparing it to an EV, after all @wyx087has declared what his car is.

I don't know why you think I'm comparing my car to an EV. We have a Rapid 1.6TDi 115PS, a MkII Fabia Scout 1.6TDi 105PS and a MkI Yeti 2.0TDi 140PS and I'm not comparing any of them to an EV.

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by @Lee

8 minutes ago, @Lee said:

I don't know why you think I'm comparing my car to an EV. We have a Rapid 1.6TDi 115PS, a MkII Fabia Scout 1.6TDi 105PS and a MkI Yeti 2.0TDi 140PS and I'm not comparing any of them to an EV.

 

1 hour ago, @Lee said:

Is this where we are now?
My ICE car warms up quicker than your EV so ner ner na na nerr hur hur.
As a reader more than a contributor in this topic it's all looking rather pathetic IMO.

So maybe the above post made by you this morning might jog your memory??

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

 

So maybe the above post made by you this morning might jog your memory??

You didn't understand the context of that at all did you?

I wasn't saying MY car warms up quicker. I was asking if this is how bad this topic has become. Do I really need to have to put it in quotation marks for you to understand it?
Fine. I shall do so.

@RootedI was asking because I used to have a Ford Transit van and the roof in the back was just bare metal and on a cold day that would condense and drip everywhere, except the section above the seats which had a lining over them.

7 minutes ago, @Lee said:

You didn't understand the context of that at all did you?

I wasn't saying MY car warms up quicker. I was asking if this is how bad this topic has become. Do I really need to have to put it in quotation marks for you to understand it?
Fine. I shall do so.

Ok, now I understand, I thought you was making a unfounded comment against a Tesla that was all.

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

Just now, @Lee said:

..... and I'm not comparing any of them to an EV.

 

Awww, g'wan Lee - you know you want to..... 😇😁

I had a Transit Medium Roof / MWB Transit converted to a Metal Tent / Camper.   Non lined roof so that i could wipe it out, i had a dog vent on the roof.

Walls lined and floor, blacked out windows and a bunk bed fitted in with storage under. 

(The disabled lady that i bought it from had dog crates in it for her husky sledge dogs for going to race events.  The Wheeled Sledge was carried on the rear.

She slept on top of the dog crates and the food was stored above the cab.)

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by Rooted

7 minutes ago, Gaz said:

 

Awww, g'wan Lee - you know you want to..... 😇😁

Not sure if this is the highest public EV charger in Scotland or the UK.

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

Oh, so the car is pretty new to you, 1st Telsa or what and how old? I've somehow or other formed an opinion that you have had this car for some time.

The blue Model Y was registered Sep 2022 at 3 miles, I'm the first and only owner. Lifetime trip stat was 271 Wh/mi in Sep 2023, only ~4 miles of odometer not counted.

The red Leaf was registered in Dec 2014, my wife is the second owner, bought Oct 2017 at 18k. Now 9+ years old at ~60k.

 

Not a single time in my ownership I've experienced any sort of problem with Tesla's glass roof. But I agree it may become problematic as the car ages, we'll see.

Although similarly, with humidity under control via dehumidifier, the glass roof on my conservatory doesn't have condensation or any mould problem.

@RootedI see that your van was different from mine, which was also in the same colour white, although I did end up painting it by hand using proper old school coach paint with which all brush strokes just disappear if you apply the paint correctly, something I had plenty of experience of seeing as when I was doing my apprenticeship, in order to bolster my wages to close the gap between my wages and that of my friends who weren't doing an apprenticeship, I did overtime painting wheels and wings on buses to keep them looking fresh.

 

This Smart #1 looks to be a quite good little EV car but a tad pricey at £36k but it does come with some very nice touches though to offset the price. 

 

 

Quote

The Tesla Model Y officially took the crown as Europe’s best-selling car overall for 2023, making it the first electric vehicle ever to do so. While the Model Y had taken the spot for a few months last year, year-end results were a close call with a very different vehicle: the ubiquitous ICE hatchback Dacia Sandero, tightly priced at $13,051 (€12,000).

https://electrek.co/2024/01/19/tesla-model-y-was-europes-best-selling-car-in-2023-the-first-ev-to-take-top-spot/

10 hours ago, @Lee said:

Is this where we are now?
"My ICE car warms up quicker than your EV so ner ner na na nerr hur hur."
As a reader more than a contributor in this topic it's all looking rather pathetic IMO.

Edited as @Graham Butcherdidn't understand it.

 

I understand your point but think you have got it backwards, the gloating you perceived was that the heaters on EV's start working instantly whereas an ICE has to drive a few miles.

 

Today was very cold but I had heat coming from the heater within one mile, quicker than usual but I had left the engine idling while I coupled the trailer.

 

The later generation TDi's with the achilles heel sliding sleeve water pumps really are good for fast heating on cold starts when they are behaving as the should, in my MK1 Octavia I sometimes had to travel 8 miles before feeling any appreciable heat unless there was a hill that I could thrash it up.

Well this is getting interesting @J.R.as there was nobody gloating about their ICE warming up quicker than an EV, I mistook the post made by @@Lee to be gloating that his car was warming up quicker, which was bogus as he was trying to say that it was getting out of hand and that we should knock it on the head.😉, I think?

Edited 19 January, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

https://electrek.co/2024/01/19/tesla-model-y-was-europes-best-selling-car-in-2023-the-first-ev-to-take-top-spot/

 

Dacia Spring now the cheapest of any cars in Europe so EVs not just the best selling model but also the cheapest car of any propulsion type.

Dacia spring now 13k Euros in Germany and that is without any government subsidies.

 

That should help the move to electric, they do seem to be basic no nonsense cars that offer value for money. 

40 minutes ago, J.R. said:

 

I understand your point but think you have got it backwards, the gloating you perceived was that the heaters on EV's start working instantly whereas an ICE has to drive a few miles.

 

Today was very cold but I had heat coming from the heater within one mile, quicker than usual but I had left the engine idling while I coupled the trailer.

 

The later generation TDi's with the achilles heel sliding sleeve water pumps really are good for fast heating on cold starts when they are behaving as the should, in my MK1 Octavia I sometimes had to travel 8 miles before feeling any appreciable heat unless there was a hill that I could thrash it up.

 

As Graham says below. Sometimes this thread gets hysterically OT.

 

My MkI Fabia TDi would take a similar distance to warm up and that was even on a short 70mph motorway run from Eastleigh M3 to the M27 then onto the M271. By comparison my 2015 Rapid heats up far more quickly.

However, the Rapid only has three heated seat settings, hot, warm and off and no low screen wash warning. If I could have that old MkI Fabia 1.9TDi Elegance back I'd do it. A car I still regret selling. 

 

12 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Well this is getting interesting @J.R.as there was nobody gloating about their ICE warming up quicker than an EV, I mistook the post made by @@Lee to be gloating that his car was warming up quicker, which was bogus as he was trying to say that it was getting out of hand and that we should knock it on the head.😉, I think?

 

Yes, some things are getting a bit bizarre.

However I think Google are tracking me as they've thrown this in one of my feeds.

Tesla chargers in Chicago not working in the cold. 

 

https://abc7news.com/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-freezing-cold-weather-teslas-not-batteries/14330309/

9 minutes ago, @Lee said:

 

As Graham says below. Sometimes this thread gets hysterically OT.

 

My MkI Fabia TDi would take a similar distance to warm up and that was even on a short 70mph motorway run from Eastleigh M3 to the M27 then onto the M271. By comparison my 2015 Rapid heats up far more quickly.

However, the Rapid only has three heated seat settings, hot, warm and off and no low screen wash warning. If I could have that old MkI Fabia 1.9TDi Elegance back I'd do it. A car I still regret selling. 

 

 

Yes, some things are getting a bit bizarre.

However I think Google are tracking me as they've thrown this in one of my feeds.

Tesla chargers in Chicago not working in the cold. 

 

https://abc7news.com/chicago-area-tesla-charging-stations-freezing-cold-weather-teslas-not-batteries/14330309/

Well I certainly didn't expect the weather to knock out electric cars in such a fashion, however, do we know if the ICE pumps have been similarly affected or not? It is another reason against making EV mandatory for new cars in 2035. I think we should leave things as they are for a bit longer to allow more time to fully explore any problems with electric that we might be overlooking in our haste to achieve zero emissions. We had thought that diesel was to be our saviour, only to discover that would have made things worse.

7 hours ago, wyx087 said:

https://electrek.co/2024/01/19/tesla-model-y-was-europes-best-selling-car-in-2023-the-first-ev-to-take-top-spot/

 

Repeated post.

(Paradigm change, especially in Europe's largest car market as the Dacia Spring reduced from about 20K Euros to 13K Euros, wow, so EVs not only the most popular car of any power train but also now the cheapest car !! )

 

Edited 20 January, 20242 yr by lol-lol

Any thoughts on this??