sounds like bull**** to me.

If the national grid is only 40% renewable then 60% of what physically comes in to your property  is non renewable  regardless of what  certificates your supplier has.

1 minute ago, Winston_Woof said:

sounds like bull**** to me.

If the national grid is only 40% renewable then 60% of what physically comes in to your property  is non renewable  regardless of what  certificates your supplier has.

You are totally right. That's when grid carbon intensity is high.

 

But consider my lengthy post, how charging batteries are not time critical.

  

3 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

As you said, it all goes into a mixing pot. So we work by percentages, how much % of electricity is fossil fuel powered. From that we get carbon intensity.

 

On individual basis, think voting with one's wallet. If everyone use green electricity suppliers. Only more green supply will be added to the grid. Someone (probably built into standing charge or time of use tariff) would fund the fossil fuel peaker plants. We could get rid of the constant gas production we currently use. Remembering EV's and house with batteries are not time critical and can soak up excess renewable or not charge when fossil fuel peaker plants are being used. So end result is most EV (and home with battery) smartly charged (Intelligent Octopus Go or Agile) would have lower carbon intensity than typical household.

 

(Peaker plant explanation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaking_power_plant, no doubt we need those around for many years. I think batteries and time-of-use tariff are the answer)

 

Yesterday during Octopus free electricity for example:  https://www.energydashboard.co.uk/live

 

People with EV's and home battery filled their boot at vastly lower carbon intensity than people using electricity from the grid at will. Charging EV and home battery being time constrained is the key here. Ability to time-shift charging to lowest carbon intensity period.

 

With ever lowering grid carbon intensity, my 2014 Leaf now have much lower per mile carbon emission than 2014 when it was new:  https://dashboard.nationalgrideso.com/

 

Can ICE vehicle claim similar feat?

 

 

Also batteries can charge from self production.

 

My example: over last 2 very sunny days, I have drawn almost 0 electricity from the grid apart 1.1 kWh during the Octopus free event. Leaf V2H home battery SoC is the line plot. Leaf was getting drained slowly before and after Octopus free event as I was charging MY with solar. Netted 30 miles of range yesterday from self consumption + low carbon free electricity.

 

Could have got more free electricity by set higher charge rate. But I haven't received Octopus credit for first event, so I decided to take it easy in case their calculation isn't right.

 

 

TLDR: key takeaway is remember that with batteries, every charging can be controlled whilst daily use is unaffected by price changes or renewable unpredictability. This means batteries are typically charged with lower carbon intensity than grid average.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, Winston_Woof said:

sounds like bull**** to me.

If the national grid is only 40% renewable then 60% of what physically comes in to your property  is non renewable  regardless of what  certificates your supplier has.

 

A lot of energy is used by commercial business. Some big users  may not be allowed the tariffs?

 

It's not bull**** i suppose it's more like "spin", If the supplier has to use the naughty stuff to keep your lights on there will be times when there is enough "green" being sold to people not on the tariff to compensate later.

"spin" is just a synonym for "bull****" 🤪

1 hour ago, Winston_Woof said:

I've often wondered how you can tell exactly where the wiggly amps coming in to your home originated as everything goes into a great big mixing pot.

Simple answer, you can't. The electrons go where they want to not where any money tells them to!

 

Any organisation that says they use only electricity from renewable sources is lying if they get their electricity from a connection to the National Grid.

 

What they should claim is that they pay only for electricity from renewable sources to be placed onto the National Grid - but that's NOT the same as using only electricity from renewable sources!

Just as well I am 90 minutes early since a hire car is locked into the 1 of 3 rapids at Aberdeen airport park and ride.  1 charger broken and someone waiting on a taxi coming off the other one.  There is a 2 hour charging then a £60 overstay which does not apply since the Mokka is not charging.  I am on the 11 kW AC for an hour now instead of away for lunch.  Such is real life EVing. 

Edited 19 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

@OotohereSuck it up, you chose to go down the EV route 😉

 

Edited 19 August, 20241 yr by Graham Butcher

I love it.  I chose to travel by EV, but I could have come by diesel or petrol.  Going into Aberdeen so horses for courses.    Wee car, and sometimes lack of size is a good thing. 

Edited 19 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

I love it.  I chose to travel by EV, but I could have come by diesel or petrol.  Going into Aberdeen so horses for courses.    Wee car, and sometimes lack of size is a good thing. 

 

I know you do not like the Zoe seats, be interested to see what you think of the Scenic if you get a chance, but would not be having such issues in a Renault ie 22 Kw AC charging (hope my Scenic is getting 22 kWs like the Zoe) plus the 275 miles summer range of the Zoe/Scenic 60 kWh you would have halved your need to charge and time to charge, just saying.

 

Renault very emboldened, cocky really, saying, quoting Autoexpress,  better range and value than a Y. 

Of course new TESLA Juniper model Y is out next year and quite likely to take Car of the Year next year 2025, as the Scenic did this year (2024) ............       

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

I love it.  I chose to travel by EV, but I could have come by diesel or petrol.  Going into Aberdeen so horses for courses.    Wee car, and sometimes lack of size is a good thing. 

Yes I can believe that and also the sheer lack of noise can also be considered at times a touch of luxury no doubt.

30 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Yes I can believe that and also the sheer lack of noise can also be considered at times a touch of luxury no doubt.

 

Also the fact ones money is not burning up at something like 12p a mile on fuel but rather 2p a mile.

Also the fact that an expense service is not coming up quickly also  !!! 

12 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Also the fact ones money is not burning up at something like 12p a mile on fuel but rather 2p a mile.

Also the fact that an expense service is not coming up quickly also  !!! 

But equally to get something approaching the same as my Superb, would also cost me a considerably greater wedge of savings 🤣

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

But equally to get something approaching the same as my Superb, would also cost me a considerably greater wedge of savings 🤣

 

EV production has not really focused on limo type cars.  The battery packs have tended to make the SUV/MPV or tallish city cars the way to go in their design.

Chinese have probably more EV models, something like the BYD Han, which is probably slightly above the Superb in size etc ie E segment in car parlance.

 

I would rather stick with French cars the go Chinese. Polestar 4 perhaps.  This cars are about complete another level or several levels above even the 280 hp 4 wheel drive Superb. 

Did they now stop producing that one and now it is just this 200 hp versions and less ?

 

Hopefully EVs and cars in general will have executive saloons available as these are the cars to munch the miles but then that is going to be harder and harder, accept in Germany, where we have spies in the cars like a nagging mother in law telling you are doing over 70 mph.

 

I will just stick the Scenic in eco mode, which only allows 71 mph, and just chillout look at the starship enterprise dash. Maybe use kickdown once in a while perhaps.

 

meh, who needs a full fat EV especially when there are so few good sized estate EVs on the market (and also I'm not in the market for "new" vehicles).

Chances are when I come to replace my current Superb estate in  around 2-3 years time I will likely be looking at a 5-6 year old (so presuming I'm talking 2026/27 then a 21/22 plate)  PHEV Superb Estate. 

EV like low costs for the short journeys but with the engine for longer journeys.

Of course in a couple of years time the market may be different, ho hum

110 miles @ 22 pence a kWh.  32 kWh so £7.04.

then 11 kWh at 47 pence.  £5.18.  40 miles.         150 miles for £12.22

 

Home with 10% and showing 8 miles.

Back charging to 100% @ 22 pence a kWh.      No back pain which is worth any amount of money. 

 

EDIT.

10% - 100% took 31 kWh £6.90

and 13 hours 24 minutes from the 3 pin socket.

Edited 20 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

56 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I would rather stick with French cars the go Chinese. Polestar 4 perhaps. 

 

where's the Polestar 4 built?

China.

Polestar 3 are built in the USA for the USA & Europe.     I read.

5 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

where's the Polestar 4 built?

China and South Korea?

Edited 19 August, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

2 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

China and South Korea?

Just China in Geeleys factory. 

7 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

Just China in Geeleys factory. 

 

From next year Renault will assemble them in South Korea

 

Polestar 4 is produced in Hangzhou Bay, China, with additional production planned to begin in Busan, South Korea, in 2025.

 

https://media.renaultgroup.com/renault-korea-busan-plant-will-produce-and-export-pure-electric-vehicles-starting-2025/

Edited 19 August, 20241 yr by Stonekeeper

13 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

From next year Renault will assemble them in South Korea

 

Polestar 4 is produced in Hangzhou Bay, China, with additional production planned to begin in Busan, South Korea, in 2025.

 

https://media.renaultgroup.com/renault-korea-busan-plant-will-produce-and-export-pure-electric-vehicles-starting-2025/

 

My Renault Arkana was built in South Korea. 

The Scenic, sister car to the Nissan Ariya has the LG battery packs.

 

I see Nissan shares have gone to junk status so wonder if they will survive.

 

Japan just did not get BEVs like China and South Korea and it may cost them their auto industry.

 

Manufacturing in Siuth Korea should circumvent the massive EU and US trade tariffs. (Ibcluding cars supplied to Ireland North and South.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Japan just did not get BEVs like China and South Korea and it may cost them their auto industry.

 

 

 

 

Only if more Governments like the UKs narrow mindly  insist on Zero Emissions at the tailpipe rather than the more realistic emissions reduction targets the EU is currently setting and where PHEVs etc come more into play.

(Also hydrogen fuel cells, which would meet Zero Emissions but admittedly currently suffer bigger infrastructure challenges than EVs)

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

I will just stick the Scenic in eco mode, which only allows 71 mph, and just chillout look at the starship enterprise dash. Maybe use kickdown once in a while perhaps.

 

That tends to be ideal for the roads in the UK what with our max speed limit of 70mph and more chilled relaxed acceleration figures also help the economy performance without any sacrifice really. I have said it before, and I'll say it again, about 150HP is more than enough to keep up with modern traffic in the UK. As to the limo type cars you talk about, most cars less than that sort of size would require me and my family to have major surgery in to lop at 2" off our legs and maybe around our waistlines and still be able to carry 5 people and all the shopping. So it looks like I'm going to stuck with ICE for some time to come then.

 

Now here's a radical thought as well, just maybe if the makers were to limit their electric cars to around 150HP, they would be able to squeeze much more range out of them and people would find that their tyres lasted longer and also maybe a large reduction in the number of accidents, and as an added bonus, insurance costs might actually come down as well.

47 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

My Renault Arkana was built in South Korea. 

The Scenic, sister car to the Nissan Ariya has the LG battery packs.

 

I see Nissan shares have gone to junk status so wonder if they will survive.

 

Japan just did not get BEVs like China and South Korea and it may cost them their auto industry.

 

Manufacturing in Siuth Korea should circumvent the massive EU and US trade tariffs. (Ibcluding cars supplied to Ireland North and South.

 

 

 

Don't hold your breath on that score if any part of them or their software comes from China, then will suffer the same fate.

4 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

My Renault Arkana was built in South Korea. 

The Scenic, sister car to the Nissan Ariya has the LG battery packs.

 

I see Nissan shares have gone to junk status so wonder if they will survive.

 

Japan just did not get BEVs like China and South Korea and it may cost them their auto industry.

 

Manufacturing in Siuth Korea should circumvent the massive EU and US trade tariffs. (Ibcluding cars supplied to Ireland North and South.

 

 

 

 

Is it as bad as Stellantis. Merging and collaborations of brands seems to be coming unstuck?