It's ok Noah , it was just climate change

@Graham Butcher I post about a programme about mental health and children and pollution & studies.

You then talk about gas, in the home and the various pollution.

Pure and utter scare mongering is it not.  Or is it just reality.   Something to be dismissed as nonsense maybe.   Well there is lots of scare mongering going on in this thread on the subject of EV,s.

Pot, kettle, black.  Carbon Black. 

Which would you rather be, medieval king or modern day average Joe?

 

Living condition have been constantly improving over the years. Modern day average person lives in far far better condition than even the wealthiest kingdom's king from half millennium ago. Even compared to a century ago, we live in hugely improved comfort.

 

Where did all this improvement come from? Scientific developments.

Certainly not by saying "it's all much improved now, we can stop improving things" or "no new things, they are scary, stop with new things".

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

Which would you rather be, medieval king or modern day average Joe?

 

Living condition have been constantly improving over the years. Modern day average person lives in far far better condition than even the wealthiest kingdom's king from half millennium ago. Even compared to a century ago, we live in hugely improved comfort.

 

Where did all this improvement come from? Scientific developments.

Certainly not by saying "it's all much improved now, we can stop improving things" or "no new things, they are scary, stop with new things".

Correct and things are improving all the time, there is zero argument from me on that front. But as you like to say, pointing out the bleeding obvious. 

 

Time and history will tell if we are embarking on the right course or not with the right solution. The history books are full of blunders that the world has made by adopting emerging technologies too early before we fully learned about their advantages and pitfalls, and it seems that most people have already forgotten about them. 🤔

 

47 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Time and history will tell if we are embarking on the right course or not with the right solution. The history books are full of blunders that the world has made by adopting emerging technologies too early before we fully learned about their advantages and pitfalls, and it seems that most people have already forgotten about them. 🤔

Such as?

15 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Such as?

Best if you search for it yourself, then you can't deny it. 

Vulcan Naval Reactor Test Establishment.

& Chapelcross & Dounreay in Scotland that many got cheap electricity because of and there will be generations to come paying for the clean up.

Just like the mines & opencast mines. 

19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Best if you search for it yourself, then you can't deny it. 

You made the claim, it would be good to say where that claim came from.

This isn't about what I say, this is your claim, you supply the evidence to back up your claim. Otherwise it's an empty claim.

 

Previously you've referenced "diesel is cleaner" in early 2000's. But we all know how much lobbying had been done by the auto and oil industry to delay electrification. It was not a question of right course or right solution, it was purely a money motivated solution to continue those industry's business model. The pitfalls were well known by stakeholders before it was pushed by the government.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41985715

29 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Best if you search for it yourself, then you can't deny it. 

 

I for one would quite like you to give some interesting examples.

 

31 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Vulcan Naval Reactor Test Establishment.

 

A test establishment is proof that the authorities of the time were not rushing headlong into an emerging technology.

 

Will Ozempic become the new Thalidomide?

@J.R. A test establishment is best placed as far on the mainland as you can get from London.

Or when some tests need doing on an Scottish island far from London. 

 

(Subs / Reactors dumped at Rosyth instead, and other waste from the north flown out of Wick to the USA.)

 

2016

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-south-scotland-36745287

 

 

2014.

 

Edited 27 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I wonder if there's a way for defunct nuclear subs to be converted to produce energy for feeding back into the National Grid??

Park them on the Thames and power London. 

2 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

I wonder if there's a way for defunct nuclear subs to be converted to produce energy for feeding back into the National Grid??

The reactors in them are the same design as the ones that Rolls-Royce are trying to get permission to create local nucelar power stations with.

& for some reason the Secretary of State for Scotland and others in the last Westminster Government thought a Small Modular Nuclear could be at Chappelcross.

 

Seemingly destined now as a Green Energy Hub focusing on hydrogen production and storage.

Loads and loads of public money seemingly going to be spent, just needs a developer and loads and loads more money. 

On 27/08/2024 at 07:05, Graham Butcher said:

Aaannndddd so am I, and my family, we use gas for everything 😅 and my poor mum with her use of 2 log burners, gas heating and cooking only survived to the young age of 92, and her 2 sisters who had similar devices, 1 passed at 100 and the other is still with us and almost 100. And when they were children only had pond water for washing, cooking and drinking. Compared to them, we have never had it so good. 😆

 

It shows the degree of scare mongering and hype going on today. I'm learning some history about my city and there was in 1888 a massive flood that wiped out many buildings. Climate change would be the excuse given today for it. 

 

On the West side of England, plus it affected the Welsh side of the Severn/Bristol Channel, the event of 1607.  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1607_Bristol_Channel_floods

Hinkley point would be knocked out of action probably.  thousands dead, 200 square miles of land devastated.  Keeping the lights, and EVs going, on could be a problem if this repeated. 

57 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Keeping the lights

😛 

https://www.spiritenergy.co.uk/tesla-power-wall-3#:~:text=Tesla Powerwall 3 is rated,a laser-welded lower half.

Quote

Tesla Powerwall 3 is rated to IP67 water-resistance, with flood-resistance to 2ft, or 60cm. This is achieved through a laser-welded lower half.

I'm getting it wall mounted about 20cm off the ground. Only need to worry about ground floor sockets, they can be isolated via consumer unit. 

 

1 minute ago, wyx087 said:

😛 

https://www.spiritenergy.co.uk/tesla-power-wall-3#:~:text=Tesla Powerwall 3 is rated,a laser-welded lower half.

I'm getting it wall mounted about 20cm off the ground. Only need to worry about ground floor sockets, they can be isolated via consumer unit. 

 

 

Despite living in Worcester I am well above the flood plain, it would need something biblical for us to get mildly moist.  The Severn floods of 2007 taught Worcestestshire and Gloucestestershire a great deal. Farmers know get their land flooded instead of the city. The lesson of the thousand or so properties on the flood plain at Tewkesbury is still in the memories of people in this area.

 

I have National Grid coming to do a cut out check before the fitting of my second car charger, this is due to be a 7.4 rather than the 3.7 kw podpoint I already have.  Indra charger being fitted, tethered it looks like which will save time.  Made in Malvern so even the delivery is low or zero carbon. Indra just partnered with Scottish power so hopefully will improve matters up north.

 

 

 

I've got all Indra chargers (Smart pro regular AC charge point and DC Chademo V2H). Hardware are great and solid. It's been almost a year and their white casing are still snow white. 

 

Software leaves a lot to be desired. The app for smart pro looks nice but doesn't sync with boost status if boost were pressed on the unit. There is also no Home Assistant integration for smart pro. Intelligent Octopus integration has been "coming soon" for more than a year before my install. The V2H software is very basic, and for an in-development kit, rarely gets any update. Still waiting for a scheduling system and SoC limiter. Thankfully someone made a Home Assistant integration for the V2H so I can schedule and limit SoC in there. 

 

Worth consider Zappi or Ohme for Intelligent Octopus integration. I only gone Indra because the regular charger install were super cheap addon when I installed the subsidised V2H trial unit. 

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

I've got all Indra chargers (Smart pro regular AC charge point and DC Chademo V2H). Hardware are great and solid. It's been almost a year and their white casing are still snow white. 

Software leaves a lot to be desired. The app for smart pro looks nice but doesn't sync with boost status if boost were pressed on the unit. There is also no Home Assistant integration for smart pro. Intelligent Octopus integration has been "coming soon" for more than a year before my install. The V2H software is very basic, and for an in-development kit, rarely gets any update. Still waiting for a scheduling system and SoC limiter. Thankfully someone made a Home Assistant integration for the V2H so I can schedule and limit SoC in there. 

Worth consider Zappi or Ohme for Intelligent Octopus integration. I only gone Indra because the regular charger install were super cheap addon when I installed the subsidised V2H trial unit. 

 

I am an old fashion and straight forward kind of guy and the simplicity and regularity of Octopus go suits me down to the ground.  5 hours of silly cheap lecky, always between 0030 and 0530.  know exactly where I am with it.     Decided not to even try and go to Intelligent Octopus, I want the total control, sometime leave the house at 0500/0530 and I can work out to the percent almost how much charge I will have, at what precise time the car will hit 80% or 100% charged.

 

Guys from the Grid have just done their and left which seems like it was basically to say " ah no, you should not have a 100 Amp fuse, we will check that for a 80 A, another little test on a in house 3 pin and then my question " thought you might be uprating the fuse or putting in a form of trip rather than down rating my main fuse when I am adding another 7.2kw ie adding a new 30A device to my home equipment.

 

Have to make sure I am not charing both cars, having a shower whilst using the electric immersion heater and boiling the kettle, 30+15+30+13+10 = 98 Amps.

If I go in to total darkness then I can call 103 to get the grid to change the fuse, waiting in the dark, thankfully I have my solar generator batteries to keep going.

Have heard it said that it actually takes 160A for over 200 seconds to blow a 80A fuse so should be OK !

 

Interesting the guy from the grid downgraded your fuse. What was the reason? Is it some sort of up stream limitation? Too many EV chargers in the neighbourhood? 

 

When I fitted 2 chargers (7.4 kW smart pro and 6 kW V2H) just a simple DNO notify was needed, nothing else. In my 9 house close, there's currently 4 house with EV charge points. I've not heard of house fuse getting downgraded around here. 

 

The Indra smart pro charge point (and all charge points that can be sold+installed today as per government smart charger regulation) will have a CT clamp at incoming location to sense how much you are currently drawing from the grid. If it is close to your fuse capacity (set by installer during commission), it will reduce available power to the car. When it senses house load going away, it will resume max power to the car. So you can safely use whatever you wish, just a hair longer charge times. 

 

Remember normal solar and battery system installed without gateway device will not work when grid goes away. They are called grid-tied inverter and syncs to the grid 50 Hz. Only inverter with EPS (emergency power supply) function + gateway device installed can continue to power the house if disconnected from the grid for whatever reason. 

The UK house that I finally sold a couple of years ago was a close of 12 houses built in 1958, I don't think there were any EV's there at the time, I got planning permission for a new detached house on the land and sold half the garden to developers, I kept my house during the build as it would have been difficult to sell before the new property was finished. The properties were at the end of the cul de sac.

 

They applied for a new electricity connection which had to have an EV point as part of the planning requirements, they were quoted the normal cost, one or two grand I think, later on they were told the cabling needed to be upgraded, that half the street would need to be dug up and they would have to stump up an additional £12k

 

They challenged it, the work was done, half the street was dug up, they eventually agreed on a lower figure, I dont know by how much.

Edited 28 August, 20241 yr by J.R.

7 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Interesting the guy from the grid downgraded your fuse. What was the reason? Is it some sort of up stream limitation? Too many EV chargers in the neighbourhood? 

 

When I fitted 2 chargers (7.4 kW smart pro and 6 kW V2H) just a simple DNO notify was needed, nothing else. In my 9 house close, there's currently 4 house with EV charge points. I've not heard of house fuse getting downgraded around here. 

 

The Indra smart pro charge point (and all charge points that can be sold+installed today as per government smart charger regulation) will have a CT clamp at incoming location to sense how much you are currently drawing from the grid. If it is close to your fuse capacity (set by installer during commission), it will reduce available power to the car. When it senses house load going away, it will resume max power to the car. So you can safely use whatever you wish, just a hair longer charge times. 

 

Remember normal solar and battery system installed without gateway device will not work when grid goes away. They are called grid-tied inverter and syncs to the grid 50 Hz. Only inverter with EPS (emergency power supply) function + gateway device installed can continue to power the house if disconnected from the grid for whatever reason. 

 

The National grid guy seem to be saying that this was the right size of fuse for the building.  I probably never have drawn over 80 Amps, even when the fully family was living at home, ladies with hairdryers and multiple other electrical devices for doing all manner of strange things. 

 

Sounds like a policy to make sure the right fuses are in the buildings.  Perhaps move away from the 100 Amp fuse in the defacto size for a residential dwelling unless a mansion.

 

Just worried me that it would blow and as it is a mechanical fuse, old school, blown bit of wire due to too much current, then it will be a right pain in the ass. 

Ring 105 if you fuse goes and the 24/7 Grid man will sort you out.  If it blows a few time it sounds like they may put one up to a 100 A !!

  

Cost about £3 

 

   

Edited 28 August, 20241 yr by lol-lol

7 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

Ring 103 if you fuse goes

Never knew that, useful number to know!

36 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

Never knew that, useful number to know!

 

Actually looks like it is 105, might have misremembered.