2 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

 

The Five keeps getting the journalist thumbs up and all models gets heat pump when others makes don't.

 

Hope to get mine next month but only if get good deal. Green 💚 as Plymouth Argyle fan.

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

The Five keeps getting the journalist thumbs up and all models gets heat pump when others makes don't.

 

Hope to get mine next month but only if get good deal. Green 💚 as Plymouth Argyle fan.

 

 

I think retro styling is in at the moment. Looks like a proper hot hatch.

17 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

I think retro styling is in at the moment. Looks like a proper hot hatch.

 

The A290 Alpine has the track gizmos, starts at 32k and goes up to £38k which sounds a lot for a B segment car.

 

As long as less than £40k and not getting the Expensive Car tax of an extra £2k i syppose is OK if power and toys are worth it. 

 

Even Retro cars should be aero efficient as possible. My Scenic at 0.295 I think it is is not great meaning motorway blasting not great on efficiency.

 

 

 

Bargains at MG

53 minutes ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

Bargains at MG

 

Worse reliability figure of any brand I read somewhere. 

 

4 new chargers in car park at Trump Turnberry.  

 

 

ki

 

Edited 11 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

^^^ If a Palestinian or a member of Hamas or maybe any enemy of Israel it might net be an idea to use these chargers & the payment system. 

Maybe not likely to be charging there but you never know, but it could be chargers anyplace using their Payment system. 

(The Emir of Kuwait was staying there with a very large entourage just a few weeks back.)

Edited 11 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

On 28/01/2025 at 19:10, Stonekeeper said:

 

I am relying on @domhnall 's info on youtube and other bloggers at the moment because we hibernate from Sept to April, never seen a 100% figure but at 80% it has said 180mile but currently 170.

 

The number of times a year I travel more than 90 mile from my base place is less  than twenty.

 

I am pretty confident though with a 58kw usable battery and up to120kw charging possible. I will never need more than 1hr to recharge the battery when i do.

 

I will not be crying over the faster charger prices. I was aware of what they were before i started.

 

At this point i would not advocate an ev as suitable for all but for some people's needs they are perfect.

the range of course is just a guess, what really matters is the efficiency and then multiply that by 58 to get what your range will really be

 

10 minutes ago, domhnall said:

the range of course is just a guess, what really matters is the efficiency and then multiply that by 58 to get what your range will really be

 

 

I thought that which was why it was squeaky bum time when my Scenic 60 kwh hit zero % and no range showing. 11 miles, that about 18 km i reckon, car suddenly says performance will be limited. Drive another mile and get to Rugby charging super hub.

 

So is range 261 miles or 273 or more I wonder ?

 

On 27/01/2025 at 18:15, Ootohere said:

So English. 

Trains lines do not cover all of the UK as some might think, or motorways, or even buses. 

 

@skomaz  Guff. There are reps / area managers etc with 'Samples' or a tablet and mobile in the car up and down the country all the time.

M&S, Tesco, Asda, just any of the stores, retail groups. I meet Surveyors, Techs etc regularly charging at say Stirling and on the way to Inverness, Aberdeen etc.

I meet ones desperate to change a car back to an ICE.

@domhnall might tell you how many miles he covers for work. Going to work & back. 

 

 

 

I do 375 miles to Milton Keynes with ease. The last decent run I did was Kidderminster to Livingston, 297 miles without the need to charge. I stopped 3 times but that was to pee / eat dinner. 

Next month I need to drive Livingston to Stafford, then on to Farnham, then back to Stafford and back to Livingston.  The car reckons it needs a 5 minute stop to reach stafford but I know that if we leave at 5pm then by the time we get to Carlisle around 7pm I will be ready for some food. If my bladder can stretch to Tebay I will because the food is better. To be honest the breaks I take are the same in a diesel as in an EV. The diesel needs extra stops though as we need to refill and it doesn't do that while we're eating. 

 

 

Ignore the title, the content is about a cheap EV.

 

 

 

He generalises lots.   James that is.  But also the Presenter who actually knows enough about EV,s. He has presented programmes with him driving EV,s.

If nobody actually buys the cheapest most basic cars then you will never find a Used example.

But DACIA will own ones and have in the UK the Dealers will own them and then people can buy as used. 

There will be ones sold to some people.

 

Those just driving local & charging slow at home, work, or public might just want cheap, new Practical for their use. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

He generalises lots.   James that is.  But also the Presenter who actually knows enough about EV,s. He has presented programmes with him driving EV,s.

If nobody actually buys the cheapest most basic cars then you will never find a Used example.

But DACIA will own ones and have in the UK the Dealers will own them and then people can buy as used. 

There will be ones sold to some people.

 

Those just driving local & charging slow at home, work, or public might just want cheap, new Practical for their use. 

 

 

 

 

 

Dacia such good value cars.  A Logan, the estate version of the Sandero, was my divorce car, when left with little money I went for a £10K mid spec Logan, about ten years ago.

A car one could claim mileage on the UK HM Treasury mileage rates and actually make a bit of money as well as cover ones costs.

Then selling it 3 years later it was due to be worth about £3k, quite high mileage per year ie 20k, it was still worth £4k so got an extra £k doing that.

 

Of course doing what the EU is all about, bring Eastern low earnings countries within the EU market, giving them relatively well paid jobs for the country ie Romania, now Dacia are in winners circle of one of the best 7 cars in the European Car of the Year.

 

VAG did this with Skoda back in the 90s but this century VAG just seem to have lost their war sadly.

 

I think it is worth noting just how profitable running an electric car can be.

 

My lad has had to transfer from the Worcester to the Gloucester depot for a few months.   Firm is paying him just under £20 a day for his extra mileage.

 

He has his hybrid Clio and that is doing about 54 mpg this time of the year.  Would have to fill it up once a week as only has a 39 litre tank.

So put him back on the Zoe EV insurance, less than a pound a day to do that, so he sometimes use the Zoe down to Gloucester.

About 75 mile round trip so instead of £9 fuel a day it is less than £2 to use the Zoe, £7 saving ( plus servicing etc cheaper of course) 

 

Win, win for us and the planet !!

 

16 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

I think it is worth noting just how profitable running an electric car can be.

 

My lad has had to transfer from the Worcester to the Gloucester depot for a few months.   Firm is paying him just under £20 a day for his extra mileage.

 

He has his hybrid Clio and that is doing about 54 mpg this time of the year.  Would have to fill it up once a week as only has a 39 litre tank.

So put him back on the Zoe EV insurance, less than a pound a day to do that, so he sometimes use the Zoe down to Gloucester.

About 75 mile round trip so instead of £9 fuel a day it is less than £2 to use the Zoe, £7 saving ( plus servicing etc cheaper of course) 

 

Win, win for us and the planet !!

 

If it works out for him, then its a no brainer, but for others there could well be other factors, not just financial gain at play. 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

If it works out for him, then its a no brainer, but for others there could well be other factors, not just financial gain at play. 

 

Of course.

It is just chopping over to sometimes using the EV rather than the hybrid.

 

The Zoe EV might have gone back to Renault when I got the Scenic EV but Renault only wanted the Arkana mild hybrid back and not the Zoe as their residuals were so low ie much lower than the balloon payment coming up so insisted I keep full pcp term.

 

The will be wanting to get me another EV this year so will be super keen to get me in a Renault 5 I am reckoning.

 

Deal has to be right though !

 

 

 

Cheap and i expect will be getting even cheaper if they are sitting going unsold as more and more get registered new and maybe just to Dacia / Renault UK and Dealerships. 

24 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Cheap and i expect will be getting even cheaper if they are sitting going unsold as more and more get registered new and maybe just to Dacia / Renault UK and Dealerships. 

 

Had a look at the Spring when popping in. It looked well cheaper inside than the Sandero !

 

@lol-lol If that is what is required to sell for much cheapness then that is what you get.  Batteries / Calls are still not cheap.

 

It hardly matters how cheap the inside is if just going to be a fleet car / hire / car club car etc. 

Cheap replacement interior and exterior parts available to make used / hard used cars look new again would be 'Simply Clever'.

 

Unbelievable that VW Group can not get out the long ago teased £17,000 EV,s.   But then they could have kept going with building UP!MiiCitigo Electrics.  But batteries are not cheap...

If the twosome just stuck to facts and actualities and stopped the misinformation that gets posted.

 

It is the Payment of the Higher level of the mobility component of PIP that means you can qualify to LEASE a car from MOTABILITY. Using the money you get paid and can use for anything else and not getting a car.

 

Where is it just about old ladies, it is old or young men or women, and not only DISABLED, it can be a designated driver driving and the DISABLED person maybe can not drive. 

Old ladies probably never started driving just when old, they might well have driven long before, decades before.

They will have had to qualify for DLA or PIP Mobility component before they reached 65 years old to be getting a car from MOTABILITY now. .

 

Rs FAULTY CARS,

Motability  (The RAC arrange) to get a car for you while the Lease Car is being repaired or pay for taxi,s or refund your payments.

 

Someone feeds the idea that Car Dealers are fined £20,000....

 

 

 

Only Volvo currently available.

£3,999 Advance payment and £75/75 a week, going to £29.20 a week in April. 

Twin motor not available on the scheme.  Not being given, being leased. 

 

Edited 12 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol If that is what is required to sell for much cheapness then that is what you get.  Batteries / Calls are still not cheap.

 

It hardly matters how cheap the inside is if just going to be a fleet car / hire / car club car etc. 

Cheap replacement interior and exterior parts available to make used / hard used cars look new again would be 'Simply Clever'.

 

Unbelievable that VW Group can not get out the long ago teased £17,000 EV,s.   But then they could have kept going with building UP!MiiCitigo Electrics.  But batteries are not cheap...

 

Batteries, both lithium nmc and LFP have been falling about 20% YoY, or about 25% YoY in real terms which is why the EVs are falling in price so quickly though increase in volume production as well as batteries falling in price.

 

Wonder if prices fro. LG CHEM are falling ad quickly as CATL and BYD but probably are falling as lithium becomes cheaper. Just a worry than China has such a strangle hold on materials and such mass production setup everyone else is lagging behind in cost and even other factors ie energy density certainly at scale.

 

@lol-lol    Just a small point.

France bigging up AI and the Conference held this week.    Energy Rich, Energy Cheap & they say they can produce as much as is needed.. 

 Their Manufacturers can power factories cheaper from Nuclear.

 

If batteries are cheaper and manufacturing of cars is cheaper and they can operate with smaller profit margins or no profit to meet mandates then you might get 'Much Cheapness BEV,s available from French Manufacturers. 

Maybe Stallantis can do very well because of France.  The energy for factories are bound to be cheaper in France compared to in the UK.

Even with EFD generating / producing electricity in the UK. 

4 hours ago, Ootohere said:

If the twosome just stuck to facts and actualities and stopped the misinformation that gets posted.

 

It is the Payment of the Higher level of the mobility component of PIP that means you can qualify to LEASE a car from MOTABILITY. Using the money you get paid and can use for anything else and not getting a car.

 

Where is it just about old ladies, it is old or young men or women, and not only DISABLED, it can be a designated driver driving and the DISABLED person maybe can not drive. 

Old ladies probably never started driving just when old, they might well have driven long before, decades before.

They will have had to qualify for DLA or PIP Mobility component before they reached 65 years old to be getting a car from MOTABILITY now. .

 

Rs FAULTY CARS,

Motability  (The RAC arrange) to get a car for you while the Lease Car is being repaired or pay for taxi,s or refund your payments.

 

Someone feeds the idea that Car Dealers are fined £20,000....

 

 

 

Only Volvo currently available.

£3,999 Advance payment and £75/75 a week, going to £29.20 a week in April. 

Twin motor not available on the scheme.  Not being given, being leased. 

 

Expect to see some corrections being made by Geoff if not Lee, that is one thing that Geoff is good at, he always strives to make sure that he presents is correct. He is asking for people on the Mobility scheme to contact him and let him know of their experiences, good or bad, so you are in a good position are you not to help set the record straight?

 

I do think that he is right about the high number of accidents is down to the cars being quicker to react than the drivers ability to respond to mistakes, the 0-62mph times are stupidly fast that in the past it would take professional drivers to handle that kind of power, even with ICE cars in the hands of far younger drivers at car meets all to often end in grief as their car skills are not as good as they thought they were.

 

Nobody on the average road, certainly in the UK, needs that much acceleration on tap, accidents just waiting to happen.

@Graham Butcher  Has there been an increase in Supermarket car parks or any car parks than has been common over the years and are these EV,s increasing the incidents?

Most reported in the past might or might not have been automatic cars and people more senior in years. 

Those i read of seemed to be. 

 

PS.

EV,s accelerators are really not like hair triggers or just need a light pressure to have them accelerating off into shop fronts or other vehicles. 

 

PPS

Motability will know the statistics. They own the cars.

It will be up to them to have a Corporate Responsibility and limit vehicles power or power to weight and performance.

They do as far as vehicles available to under 25 year olds. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 12 February, 20251 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

@lol-lol    Just a small point.

France bigging up AI and the Conference held this week.    Energy Rich, Energy Cheap & they say they can produce as much as is needed.. 

 Their Manufacturers can power factories cheaper from Nuclear.

 

If batteries are cheaper and manufacturing of cars is cheaper and they can operate with smaller profit margins or no profit to meet mandates then you might get 'Much Cheapness BEV,s available from French Manufacturers. 

Maybe Stallantis can do very well because of France.  The energy for factories are bound to be cheaper in France compared to in the UK.

Even with EFD generating / producing electricity in the UK. 

 

EDF caught quite a cold in the last year or two.

The rivers that cool the nuclear power stations went very low, due to climate change or/and some mis calculation on resilience of these plants in low water conditions plus EDF's labour relations with its staff was not great and EDF was in real problems keeping all those nuclear stations running and EDFs costs were so great to keep supplying its customers forced the company in to being partially renationalised.  

 

My sister was on one of those 3 year EDF deal paying so bargain price for energy which Electricity de France was certainly losing money over.

 

UK needs to get to that tipping point where those massive wind farms supply so much energy, I gather something like twice what the UK grid can use, so probably of the order of 100 GWs, and also has something of the order of 1 TWh of battery and hydro energy storage so electricity become less than half of what it is now, something less than 10p per kWh is required to help industry as well as homes have more money to spend on product development and disposable income.  It is coming and will gradually happen but it is going to be incremental but by 2029 we should be in very good shape.  Good enough to spend 5% of GDP on military budgets if some have their way.