14 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Doh.    Are people in the Country that voted for Brexit just thick?

 

The UK left the EU.  It was not removed / towed away from Europe.

 

 

 

 

 

Nope , I fully understand that geographically we remain as part of Northern Europe (although not on the European mainland) but when it comes to Trade & Commerce (which I believe is the context when talking about someone like Porsches commercial activities ) then we are  no longer in Kansas Europe

It is a Continent. Places in Europe are not in the EU.  If you want to say you can not leave the UK with it then that is quite clear.     If really you have not 40 minutes for a tyre fitting centre visit then so be it.  Do not go to Ireland in a borrowed Porsche.  But Northern Ireland's fine. 

 

Regarding Porsche & Not the Original buyer of a Porsche Taycan which is in Warranty not being covered for the fan replacements.

 

If that was / is what they say.

Will be ripped to shreds.   All Demonstrators, Pre Reg cars with a Registered Keeper showing , Media cars etc are Used Cars and the 2nd named Registered Keeper never bought it new,

 

If there is a Safety Critical issue and a fundamental design, manufacturing or material fault then a Voluntary Recall or a DVSA / DVLA Recall would be required.

Just like the 3 recalls that were on the 2019 models, then 6 covering 2020 and 7 on 2021.

Not all need all doing obviously, but they are RECALLS. 

 

 

Edited 21 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

39 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

A massive act of self harm.

 

Boris just left the minus sign out when he told the British public it would mean 150m a week or whatever it was.

 

Thats what the extra bill for moving goods is, quarter of a billion customs entries at about £50 a time and still rising with the new CDS system and health check introduced a few weeks ago.

 

Epic.

 

Really you would not expect such a well known maker of prestige cars to have anywhere that level of recalls, I'd have thought that it would have been in their best interest to have thoroughly tested and debugged and new model, especially costing that much, prior to launching the model.

Hmm, if the US only has 7 heavy-duty charger locations for heavy trucks, how many does the UK have, none I suspect is the answer?

 

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Re Porsche.

Especially as the platform was shared and is with Audi and engine development was straightforward and carried out by different people from their usual.

Getting braking, suspension and control of H2o should be simple,  VW have a century of failures to have learned from.

Vorsprung Durch Technik.  Should have let the Chinese built the Porsche.

 

 

No PUBLIC HGV EV Charging stations is different from having HGV Chargers at Distribution centers.

 

& there are EV Bus Chargers.  Not for the Public use.

 

Early days for the HGV EV,s in the UK but the video the other day posted on here showed the new Fleet that is going to be out delivering. 

 

2 Logging / Timber hauling EV HGV,s are operating just now in Scotland on trials and running loads to the port in Inverness from forest sites.

Scania have EV HGV Logging trucks in operation in cold climates.

 

 

 

 

The chargers can run on Hydrogen in the Forests, or Solar or Wind Turbine to Battery Storage.

The Forestry Commission and others, Hydro and Water Board are generating electricity and running vehicles and not alowed to export / sell the electricity or let the public use the chargers.

Hydrogen at the Free Ports in Scotland as well. 

As used for the Ships in Aberdeen. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 21 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohereyes I all that and that is fine for trucks that keep within their range and return to base each day. There are many that go out on a Sunday and only get back to base on a Friday. I used to do that in Ford Truck a few years ago, sleeping in the cab with my trusty dog for company, driving all over England, Wales, Scotland and both parts of Ireland on a regular basis. On the trip I would fill up the massive diesel tanks many times. 

I used to know International Truckers, my wifes first husband was. they traveled for weeks and months across the Continents.

To the Arab States,  & with Lorries too big to come across the channel to the UK.

 

Well you start someplace with EV,s, and see what works. 

Head for thinking, feet for dancing. 

 

Drive Time Directive.  In UK,  in the EU.      Maximum of 3 15 hour days a week.  Must take at least 11 hours not working a day .  Max 56 hours week,   90 hours in 2 weeks.

No more than 6 hours without a 15 minute break.

 

6 hours if you were doing 50 mph is 300 miles.   It is the UK, unless you are doing the 300 miles you are at a depot / customer starting or ending.

Depots are going to have chargers.  Maybe a part charge is what is required once or twice in a working day of 15 hours. 

Maybe a vehicle has 3 different drivers in a day, or 2, there is charging time can be scheduled.

 

Do not work in that break. Like plugging in and unplugging.  So charge starts with working time and stops.  Or a Depot person has the Unit charging while the Trailer is loaded or unloaded.

The Driver drives in one unit and leaves it and continues the trip in another.  Day Drivers, Night drivers.  Fleets.

 

 If the Depots and Distribution / drop offs have Green Electricity they can have chargers.

 

So the Service Stops on Routes need to have 'Wellfare' facilities now or soon. 

Toilets, Food, a proper break.  Not in a lay-by.

 

 

 

Edited 21 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

People and business,s do think, and plan. 

 

 

 

 

 

Again I know all of that and that is fine for large companies with a few depots dotted around the UK, I was working for a small company, based in Haverhill, Suffolk who made table and standard lamps and sold them to mail order catalogue companies like Freemans, Janet Ward etc, and shops like House of Frazer, British Home Stores, Marks and Spencer etc and I was the only truck driver they had doing all the deliveries on the out bound journey, and on the return trip to Haverhill I would be picking up all the raw materials for the production of said lamps, drums of cables, barrels of resin, sacks of moulding powder, threaded metal tubing, class bulbs etc. So if there were still in existence, without charging support along the way, they would have no option but to continues down the diesel path. 

 

To achieve the full electric goal, they will need to get suitable chargers installed for trucks to also make use of as there are many such companies around who only have the one depot etc.    

The thing is as with cars of not for you just do not do it.  There is years yet for the transition and stuff happens.   The point is stuff is happening now with people and millions had been thrown to some people by this government in the UK already..   There will be new transport hubs, low carbon transport hubs.  Hydrogen filling stations for trucks and 350 kW chargers for ultra rapid and chargers for off peak charging.     BHS no more and House of Frasers owned by the man who can with a Son in Law running the Business that owns so many household names that were in trouble and snapped up cheaply.       People do know the transportation business and importation and household deliveries.      The days of the clubbie were great and now there is home deliveries for anything any time anywhere.  Qué sera Sera.    The futures bright the futures not owned by Britain. 

 

 

 

Edited 22 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

there are 3 things that immediately strike me about the Tesla "semi"

1) It looks very American (no surprises)
2) there doesn't appear to be any cab accomodation for sleepovers

3) they've stuck with traditional wing mirrors (I believe many Euro trucks are switching to cameras for higher aerodynamic efficiency)

I do like the central driving position though and that's something that would probably be more useful over this side of the pond.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xf7irdXn7xA&t=743s

2 hours ago, Winston_Woof said:

3) they've stuck with traditional wing mirrors

ISTR that the design of USian "truck" mirrors is mandated by law, to the extent that you can't even have convex rather than flat glasses.

3 hours ago, Paws4Thot said:

ISTR that the design of USian "truck" mirrors is mandated by law, to the extent that you can't even have convex rather than flat glasses.

 

 

The KIA EV3 might just be the mid size car to suit many and with enough range for those needing or wanting that. 

On 21/05/2024 at 22:27, Ootohere said:

People and business,s do think, and plan. 

 

Will Shires actually made my point for me, it one thing to have the truck, but it is useless without adequate charging infrastructure for trucks as most of the trucks go out for a week or longer at times before returning to base. This is especially true for owner operators who pick up loads and deliver them and then pick other loads etc all the time, they will need that infrastructure. He also said that even in Norway and Sweden, there are not enough truck friendly public chargers and that infrastructure will be critical in transferring trucks over to electric. Currently electric is fine for the last mile type of delivery and firms like Amazon and some other ones are already using them as they return to base every night and can get charged overnight. 

Edited 23 May, 20242 yr by Graham Butcher

You just do not get it do you.  Changing world.   Small operators issues, fuel costs, electricity, wages, overheads, legislation.     So if people can not go to electric then they will not.   But as for fleets, tankers, and those that can they might.   If the customer needs the supply chain to be green and the transport contractors to be green then green some might require to be.    @Graham Butcher when did you last work driving HGV,s.    PS.  Parking up in Town car parks and motors running all night. Refrigeration units , peeing against a wheel and being a tramped is still being done but working conditions need to change.   Not returning to a depot does not mean that you need to be at a roadside and stopped.  Still in a cab. But many will be, but maybe just near facilities but just a chip shop. 

Edited 23 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Will Shiers.  Knows commercials. As does Will Shires. So which are we talking about ? 

4 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Will Shiers.  Knows commercials. As does Will Shires. So which are we talking about ? 

Will Shiers is clearly who I meant, I thought that his name might have been Shires judging by the way he said his name.

 

It was a long time ago when I did a bit of truck driving, but nothing has changed in the meantime apart from there are now many more smaller hauliers out there and fewer of the Eddie Stobart's and I have friends who are doing just that right now, started with a van doing express couriering, grew to a few vans and now moved on to bigger curtain sided trucks, living in the cabs during the week and trying to get back home at weekends.

Are you saying that the electrification is not going to happen and can not happen?  Or what is it you are saying?    It looks impossible, looks crazy to me.  But actually more difficult because the UK government is useless and not really trying. 

The Culina Group will have done what needs doing as far as Eddie Sobart goes.   Muller group know about deliveries.  International transportation.  Goods travelling long distances in Europe. 

Edited 23 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

Just now, Ootohere said:

Are you saying that the electrification is not going to happen and can not happen?  Or what is it you are saying?    It looks impossible, looks crazy to me.  But actually more difficult because the UK government is useless and not really trying. 

What I'm say, clearly I thought, was that it is fine having the electric trucks but to get anyone switching over to them, apart from those who actually know that they can get back to either their own base or another depot each night to charge, than there needs to be some serious effort put in to develop a national charging infrastructure for trucks.

5 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The Culina Group will have done what needs doing as far as Eddie Sobart goes.   Muller group know about deliveries.  International transportation.  Goods travelling long distances in Europe. 

There is also the Turners of Soham who now have depots all across the UK, Home (turners-distribution.com)

Euro central Scotland and other places are the mid point for lots.  Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda, Safeway, Morrisons etc etc should all be working from rail heads as they move stuff north, south, east and west.   The Perth to Inverness train line does move goods but not as much as the plans were to have off the A9 and on tails.  Safeway did it.  I see the hgv,s going through Scotland and sometimes in England.  The difference on the A9 or A90.  Fish, timbers and general haulage. High value loads, unmarked vehicles.  Asda, M&S etc.   My Uncles was Walker Transport Macduff which is different from Walkers of Turriff.  I see who regularly are on the roads, Lairds of Forfar fleet delivering concrete products far and wide.   But just now at the side of the A77 I can watch totally different fleets moving stuff too and from Ireland.  McBurneys, Carantyne, French and others.   What does not pass here so much is the international truckers who sometimes could be days stopped because the Police pulled them. They got across the Continent, into England or the Irish Republic and then into the North and across to Scotland only to get stopped for tyres or some infringement and were waiting for the owner to get tyres fitted or whatever done to allow them to continue.   But not only are they not passing this way, neither are many that used to use this route.   Here or in Northern Ireland the charging hubs will need to be near the ports.   But then during COVID those sites were purchased or had planning for parking up, so job half done.  And no shortage of electricity around. 

Edited 23 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

@Graham Butcher  for over an hour now the road outside has had the traffic coming from Cairnryan passing.

HGV,s, tankers, transporters, Busses, Vans, Motorhomes, Cars, Cars and Caravans and many many motorbikes. Harley Owners Club and others.

 

It is very very hard to believe that eventually all those type of vehicle on a ferry with be EV,s.