^^^ What sort of ambient temp is that at?       Prep a car for winter, with the rubbers prepared on the car.

 

Idiots use Boiling water, warm water is fine, but then when it refreezes it can be down the doors, and in the rubber seals. 

 

The MINI Electric also has frameless doors and the window drops before the door opens.

less than 5 minutes heating the MINI interior even at -9*oC.. 

 

As shown. 

If the car is frozen you turn on pre-heating with your phone via the App.  (if you have a phone.)

Edited 4 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

11 hours ago, EnterName said:

No, and here's why.

CO2 is not a bad gas, it's a good gas that is essential for life on this planet. That is why there is a market for CO2 generators.

The whole "CO2 is bad!" campaign is dishonest and as you revealed earlier, more about "redistributing" wealth.

 

Good gas, bad gas. 

It's like that yogurt advert: "good bacteria, bad bacteria". Does this mean we should also not use bacteria killing cleaning products?

 

Hopefully you are fully aware the market for CO2 generator are definitely not for life on this planet. It is for human manufactured products.

 

10 hours ago, EnterName said:

I've pointed this out before @wyx087, you really need to curb your urge to tell people to live their lives according to ways you've recently decided are how things ought to be done.

People don't like being told what they may or may not drive or eat, and they will push back increasingly assertively in resisting having their lives run by unelected, self-appointed, well-intentioned do-gooders determined to "save the planet" no matter what the cost to Europeans, but invariably without inconveniencing "developing" countries.

No! Bad Wyx!

Where have I told anyone how to live their lives?

 

Please stop putting words into my mouth. Doing so seems like you are the source of misinformation.

7 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

^^^ What sort of ambient temp is that at?       Prep a car for winter, with the rubbers prepared on the car.

-3 according to voice over.

 

What do you use to prep rubber?

 

That video recommends this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0D7TY42WS

 

I just let it blast heat for more than 15min..... fixes most things.

Silicon spray or the Gummi-pflenge.

 

Cold like England is not going to get. Or has not had in a long time just like Scotland or Wales.

But then Frozen fresh water is frozen water. (Unlike salt water before someone says.)

 

Weather is given as Air Temperature and that is measured at least 5 feet above the ground,  (2 meters is the figure given, so over 6 foot above ground level.)

then there is Grass frost, Ground Temperature, and his thermometer is on the ground, the cars can be 2, 3 or maybe 4 feet higher, in a wing mirror maybe or in the grill area.  

Hence different temperatures even in the shade. 

 

 

This stuff is messy on the glass compared to the Halfords product i used for years.

Good for spraying on door seals though. 

 

 

Edited 4 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Silicon spray or the Gummi-pflenge.

 

Cold like England is not going to get. Or has not had in a long time just like Scotland or Wales.

But then Frozen fresh water is frozen water. (Unlike salt water before someone says.)

 

Weather is given as Air Temperature and that is measured at least 5 feet above the ground,  (2 meters is the figure given, so over 6 foot above ground level.)

then there is Grass frost, Ground Temperature, and his thermometer is on the ground, the cars can be 2, 3 or maybe 4 feet higher, in a wing mirror maybe or in the grill area.  

Hence different temperatures even in the shade. 

 

 

This stuff is messy on the glass compared to the Halfords product i used for years.

Good for spraying on door seals though. 

 

 

 

-8c a few miles from here ie Oxfordshire, usually Brize reports these low temps.

 

Or Benson at minus 8.2c.

 

Edited 4 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

Aberdeen -9*oC earlier. But then this is only the temperatures from the Weather Stations. 

The thing about Weather Stations at Airports, they are like Harbours / Ports, not built where the worst of weather is.

Ports are always at sea level and where there is water and Airports  where fog and frozen fog least likely, and in the UK not that high above sea level. 

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

As shown. 

If the car is frozen you turn on pre-heating with your phone via the App.  (if you have a phone.)

And if you don't have a phone?, I know people who don't have a basic mobile phone, let alone a smartphone.

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

And if you don't have a phone?, I know people who don't have a basic mobile phone, let alone a smartphone.

Could get a Zoe:

https://www.whatcar.com/news/renault-zoe-long-term-test-review/n16837

Quote

It’s nothing unique, of course; most electric cars come with applications for smartphones through which you can set the temperature remotely, giving you a toasty warm car that’s ice-free and ready to tackle the freezing commute. The Zoe actually has a button on its key card to commence preheating, too.

 

A few other EV's also have pre-heating on the key.

 

Or a Tesla and do it via Apple Watch

 

Or like what I do with now disconnected Nissan Leaf: open the door and turn on the vehicle like every other vehicle. However, I can leave it running without fearing a fine.

 

Unlike ICE vehicle, where heat comes from ICE's wasted heat, thus the engine must be running. Which is illegal to do so unnecessarily on public road.

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/advice/winter-driving/dont-get-fined-for-de-icing-your-car/

Turning on EV to de-ice is not illegal.

3 hours ago, Stonekeeper said:

 

What a faff, and what happens if your battery does not enough charge to do all that and get you to a charger?

5 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

What a faff, and what happens if your battery does not enough charge to do all that and get you to a charger?

 

No faff involved if you have the phone, just push a button a few minutes before you go to the car. Or for regular work mornings, set the car  to be ready to leave at your usual time.

 

If plugged into house it has no effect on the battery. If it's not the wattage use is not huge.

 

Or use de-icer like ICE drivers do.

More nails in the coffin of ICE vehicles, even PHEV versions of ICE.......

(Those PHEVS that say they can do over 100 mpg and have emissions of sub 50 gm/km but are actually twice or more will get their comeuppance.)   

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/365499/plug-hybrids-face-stricter-emission-tests-2025-misleading-efficiency-figures

 

Plug-in hybrids face stricter emission tests in 2025 as misleading efficiency figures are targeted

 

Plug-in hybrid cars will be subjected to more stringent emissions tests in 2025 to better represent real-world use cycles, Auto Express can confirm. It’s thought the changes could have significant implications for company car drivers, with some models expected to see big jumps in tax bands, which are based on CO2 emissions.  Existing Euro 6e emission standards will be superseded by so-called Euro 6e-bis tests, applicable to all new models launched from 1 January 2025. This will then be updated at the end of the year (31 December) to include all cars on sale, meaning existing models will have to be retested in order to comply.

Previously, the emissions tests were conducted over a simulated distance of 800km (497 miles), but Euro 6e-bis ups this to 2,200km (1,367 miles). To illustrate the effect this has on a PHEV’s emissions and fuel consumption in real world driving, the International Council on Clean Transport (ICCT) analysed the performance of a BMW X1 xDrive25e under the revised conditions. 

• 
  What are the Euro 7 emissions standards?

The ICCT said: “Over the past several years, it has become evident that the currently used UF curve does not reflect the real usage of PHEVs resulting in unrepresentatively low official CO2 emission values.   “This leads to an excessive gap between the real-world fuel consumption and the official value determined during type-approval.”  The new parameters saw the X1’s emissions rise from around 45g/km, to 96g/km. The X1 has a current Benefit-in-Kind company car tax banding of eight per cent, but the 6e-bis tests would see this number jump to 24 per cent – comparable with the most efficient pure petrol models.   A further advancement in emissions standards is expected in 2027, when ‘Euro 6e-bis-FCM’ comes into force. Under these circumstances, tested over a total distance of 4,260km (2,647 miles), the same BMW is said to emit around 122g/km.  As it stands, only cars bought brand new will be affected by the updated emissions standards; there are no plans to backdate the bandings for existing company car users. This is in contrast to the proposed introduction of VED road tax for electric car drivers due later this year, which will be applicable to both new and existing electric vehicles.

 

Edited 4 January, 20251 yr by lol-lol

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

Good gas, bad gas. 

It's like that yogurt advert: "good bacteria, bad bacteria". Does this mean we should also not use bacteria killing cleaning products?

 

Hopefully you are fully aware the market for CO2 generator are definitely not for life on this planet. It is for human manufactured products.

 

Where have I told anyone how to live their lives?

 

Please stop putting words into my mouth. Doing so seems like you are the source of misinformation.

CO2 generators are used to make plants grow better.

If you raise CO2 levels, you literally get a greener planet.

 

 

Enough with the "I'm not telling people what to do. 😇" performances.

Yes you are, right there! 🎯

 

Try posting "It's difficult to get Rohypnol and even more difficult to get women to consume a drinks spiked with Rohypnol." and then seeing who'll trust you to buy a round of drinks.

No use protesting "Where have I told anyone I'd spike their drink?" after posting something like that.

Same with EVs, and now meat it seems.

Edited 5 January, 20251 yr by EnterName

20 hours ago, lol-lol said:

But we all suffer the effects of climate change that scientists believe is largely down to pollution from burning hydrocarbons.

"That scientists believe" is no kind of weight to put behind any argument.

You might as well say "But we all suffer the effects of climate change that women feel is largely down to pollution from burning hydrocarbons."

 

20 hours ago, lol-lol said:

We all breath the same air that is being polluted by diesel and petrol cars in urban areas.

"We're all in this together!" as David Cameron said, eh?

 

20 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Governments around the world are moving in a cleaner direction.

"Cleaner" is one of those words that used to mean something, but has now been politicised to the point where it means whatever the person wants it to mean.

 

20 hours ago, lol-lol said:

The program of phasing out ICE vehicles is happening, my company is doing so for cars, vans, ships etc as are most civilised companies and countries and then there is the strong economic argument with lower running cost. You would think no brainer but apparently some still elect to burn stuff at great expense and damage to the environment.

You'd think that the politicians pushing for ICE cars to be phased out due to the imminent threat of catastrophic climate change would all be minimising their use of ICE vehicles and leading by example.

They be using video conferencing for meetings and all official vehicles would be EVs. They'd minimise their "carbon footprint".

However they do not. They fly around the world to meet each other and zip about in big gas-guzzlers.

They don't believe in the climate change narrative any more than I do, but they know that they can con a lot of people into compliance if they can scare them enough.

Here's Kier Starmer getting out of a vehicle that is so environmentally unfriendly it has a huge VED tax applied to it to discourage its use.

However Comrade Starmer gets his VED paid for by the proletariat (or perhaps Lord Ali), so he doesn't give a toss about punitive taxes because he doesn't feel the effect of them.

 

20 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Freedom is great but not when it extends to poisoning your fellow citizen and putting them further in danger of climate change risk it is not personal freedom but collective responsibility that trumps.  Let's hit that 28% electric sales or even go over 30%. We are falling further behind countries like China, Norway etc.

Using China as an example of a country fighting climate change is ridiculous. 😄

Official Vehicles might well be EV,s and not just when at Photo Ops about Green Energy or when there was the likes of COP26 .

 

But Armoured Cars are not really going to be EV,s,  but might well be PHEV,s for some extra oomph. 

Diplomatic and Royal Protection details are using BEV,s and high powered ones. 

 

 

 

HRH KC3 & his heir are fine with using BEV,s.

Ones that are suited to their heritage.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry posted wring one.  Best of China. 

 

 

Edited 5 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

10 hours ago, lol-lol said:

More nails in the coffin of ICE vehicles, even PHEV versions of ICE.......

(Those PHEVS that say they can do over 100 mpg and have emissions of sub 50 gm/km but are actually twice or more will get their comeuppance.)   

 

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/sustainability/365499/plug-hybrids-face-stricter-emission-tests-2025-misleading-efficiency-figures

 

Plug-in hybrids face stricter emission tests in 2025 as misleading efficiency figures are targeted

 

Plug-in hybrid cars will be subjected to more stringent emissions tests in 2025 to better represent real-world use cycles, Auto Express can confirm. It’s thought the changes could have significant implications for company car drivers, with some models expected to see big jumps in tax bands, which are based on CO2 emissions.  Existing Euro 6e emission standards will be superseded by so-called Euro 6e-bis tests, applicable to all new models launched from 1 January 2025. This will then be updated at the end of the year (31 December) to include all cars on sale, meaning existing models will have to be retested in order to comply.

Previously, the emissions tests were conducted over a simulated distance of 800km (497 miles), but Euro 6e-bis ups this to 2,200km (1,367 miles). To illustrate the effect this has on a PHEV’s emissions and fuel consumption in real world driving, the International Council on Clean Transport (ICCT) analysed the performance of a BMW X1 xDrive25e under the revised conditions. 

• 
  What are the Euro 7 emissions standards?

The ICCT said: “Over the past several years, it has become evident that the currently used UF curve does not reflect the real usage of PHEVs resulting in unrepresentatively low official CO2 emission values.   “This leads to an excessive gap between the real-world fuel consumption and the official value determined during type-approval.”  The new parameters saw the X1’s emissions rise from around 45g/km, to 96g/km. The X1 has a current Benefit-in-Kind company car tax banding of eight per cent, but the 6e-bis tests would see this number jump to 24 per cent – comparable with the most efficient pure petrol models.   A further advancement in emissions standards is expected in 2027, when ‘Euro 6e-bis-FCM’ comes into force. Under these circumstances, tested over a total distance of 4,260km (2,647 miles), the same BMW is said to emit around 122g/km.  As it stands, only cars bought brand new will be affected by the updated emissions standards; there are no plans to backdate the bandings for existing company car users. This is in contrast to the proposed introduction of VED road tax for electric car drivers due later this year, which will be applicable to both new and existing electric vehicles.

 

 

Good...   Test results for some hybrids have always been daft.

 

Hardly more nails in the coffin of ICE vehicles though...   That's just hyperbole...

Food for thought?

 

 

28 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Food for thought?

 

 

 

Guy talking absolute tosh.

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Food for thought?

 

 

Yes, I pointed this out in 2022.

I'm usually a couple of years ahead of the curve. 😋

 

2 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Food for thought?

Not really. We know Millibean has all sorts of nasty secrets without watching YouChube videos about them.

13 minutes ago, Paws4Thot said:

Not really. We know Millibean has all sorts of nasty secrets without watching YouChube videos about them.

Tsk, that title is clickbait only, the content is IMO worth watching, I only watched it because it was a short video. 

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

Guy talking absolute tosh.

 

Which part did you think was absolute tosh?

We know it's a problem to 'home charge' your EV if you don't have a driveway.

If you can home charge, then 100 miles can be as low as £2 to drive 100 miles in my diesel Superb is probably under £13, so the £14 he quoted is not far off of the mark. I think he over costed the 100 miles on public charging at £28, it is evidently more likely to be £18, which is still more expensive than an equivalent ICE vehicle.

I don't know how EV used values are these days, so he might be wrong on that count.

21 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Yes, I pointed this out in 2022.

I'm usually a couple of years ahead of the curve. 😋

 

I know, so did I but even now many people choose to ignore that fact. That divide is already upon us and it is those that are "the haves" are worst at acknowledging the truth in my experience and are generally the ones trying to tell everyone what they should be doing. 

Those with Home Charging facilities or work and Business use vehicles do seem blind to the difference of people that require to public charge, are maybe not near TESLA Chargers or have a TESLA and can have to pay anything from £6.00 - £8.50 to charge to maybe get from 30-40 miles of travel.  (10 kWh)

 

60 kWh @ 75 pence a kWh =£45.  & if you were to get 4 miles a kWh that is 240 miles. 

3.5 miles a kWh, 210. 

 

Edited 5 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

There are going to be plenty MUCH CHEAPNESS used BEV,s available and if you can charge cheaply and run without very high repair costs they might well be a good choice economically.

 

Maybe 1 or 2 previous keepers, Demonstrator or Lease, maybe no record of 'Intrade' Auction then Trader / Dealers.

Maybe no FMDSH as never serviced.

 

Lots of if,s. 

 Do not get an iffy one, have someplace or someone that can do the servicing and maintenance and be sure to have FULL RECOVERY SERVICE COVER.

Moving a BEV with faults can be an EPIC.   Then moving them again or again once where they are getting fixed. 

 

Edited 5 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere