14 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

Even done over 70 mph ?

Not an easy task in inaccurately named Swift or a 1.8 MX5 but I expect you have crept over the speed limit on more than one occasion but not reported yourself to the old bill ?

 

According to Fleet website 25p ppm was impossible unless in a Dacia or a few oddball other cars but vast majority it simply is not possible so what can you do except me and my fellow HMRC Officer did but withdraw our cars from the employer usage ?

 

A matter a degree and one the police, customs and other law enforcement agencies apply in practice. The rough 5 or 10% rule applies to many different areas, others are absolute of course, like Self Assessment dates for 31st of January !

 

 

Ooh some Whataboutery to deflect criticism...   and some 'personal' digs too for good measure - nice!

 

Yes I have done more than 70mph in both the Swift and the MX5 - and very easily actually as both are capable of over 120mph without issue thanks.

 

By the looks of things the Fleet website data is based on new lease costs and possible higher insurance costs based on a specific location / age profile etc for comparison purposes? - Both of which will likely be leading to higher running costs...   ???

 

As for you and your colleagues withdrawing your cars from the employer usage - that's fine and your prerogative to do so - unless you have a contractual requirement to use them due to the provision of a car allowance and fuel cards (which I understand you have previously had access to?).  Either way falsely claiming additional mileage, or 'extras' is still fraud in the eyes of the law, whichever way you look at it.

 

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

 

Even done over 70 mph ?

Not an easy task in inaccurately named Swift or a 1.8 MX5 but I expect you have crept over the speed limit on more than one occasion but not reported yourself to the old bill ?

 

Not sure just what you're saying here, the Swift is capable of 121mph whereas the Renault Scénic V 2024 60Kw is capable of 93mph and according to specs it has a power output of 170hp which is 22hhp more than my car, but I can do 131mph, thats a pretty showing for the EV isn't?

Edited 7 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

6 hours ago, Ootohere said:

It is ridiculous if Dundee City Council have not made an allowance for WAV Diesel Taxis.   Passengers that are Blue Badge Holders or have Taxi / Bus / Train passes as Disabled should be able to have the exemption used by the Driver by texting a code.

http://tiktok.com/@stvnews/video/7420368493553421600

 

 

 

I thought you said that Aberdeen and Dundee had bad pollution, not according to the air monitoring units today.

 

54 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Not sure just what you're saying here, the Swift is capable of 121mph whereas the Renault Scénic V 2024 60Kw is capable of 93mph and according to specs it has a power output of 170hp which is 22hhp more than my car, but I can do 131mph, thats a pretty showing for the EV isn't?

 

The Scenic, both in 60 kw and 87 kw form have a single gear and the top out at about true 93 mph and a true 105 I think, had it up there, was indicating just under 100 mph but quite accedemic unless one is on the Autobahn in Germany. My Scenic, though not bought for acceleration but quiet cruising does 8.6 to 100 kph, or 60 mph if memory serves.

I had a 2 litre injected MX5, electric roof and all, a dog in performance term. Swift is glacial to 60 i think I have seen, 13s or something, yawnfest. My Superb was awful, mk1, terrible handling, gather they are better now. Usually have L&K, 1.8 tsi, very good engine, or the 2 litre TSI VRSs, wow, had one, a mk2, 150 on the clock and still pulling faster quite noticeably 

 

11 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

not according to the air monitoring units today.

Gale force winds from the WNW may have some bearing on this?? 

6 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

My Superb was awful, mk1, terrible handling, gather they are better now. Usually have L&K, 1.8 tsi, very good engine, or the 2 litre TSI VRSs, wow, had one, a mk2, 150 on the clock and still pulling faster quite noticeably 

I can only say that your mk1 must had serious issues then, as I have had 1 mk1, 1 mk2, 1 mk2fl and now a mk3 and they have all had excellent handling and ride quality 

@Graham Butcher   I never said Aberdeen had bad pollution.    (Union Street showed in the top 10 highest, but Union Street has changed.)

I did say that Dundee had, and it was at the Seagate at the Bus Stations and at the Taxi Ranks and major bus stances. 

Electric busses now and Taxis, and a LEZ will very much have helped. 

 

All the Streets were where building were high and there were bus stances and often tail back traffic. 

Edited 7 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

5 minutes ago, Breezy_Pete said:

Gale force winds from the WNW may have some bearing on this?? 

Those snapshots were taken tonight, 7pm?

@Graham Butcher   There are now LEZ,s and temperatures below freezing and snow on the ground in Aberdeen. 

 

Check the webcams during the day.

Edited 7 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

13 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Those snapshots were taken tonight, 7pm?

Yes, windy up there.

@Graham Butcher   

15 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher   I never said Aberdeen had bad pollution. 

I did say that Dundee had, and it was at the Seagate at the Bus Stations and at the Taxi Ranks and major bus stances. 

Electric busses now and Taxis, and a LEZ will very much have helped. 

That is interesting seeing as the monitoring station is indeed in Seagate between Candle Lane and Gellatly Street so to measure the air at a bus station, of course it would possibly be a bit higher if they stuff a portable meter right next door real close to the exhaust pipe of a running bus, but that is cheating in order to get what the council wanted, an extra stream of revenue. Much the same as what was done in London.

29 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

 

33 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I had a 2 litre injected MX5, electric roof and all, a dog in performance term. Swift is glacial to 60 i think I have seen, 13s or something, yawnfest.

 

 

9.7 for the swift and 8.6 for the MX5 actually.  Both checked via an accelerometer.

 

But it's not all about 0 to 60 is it...   That's just sad willy waving.

44 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I can only say that your mk1 must had serious issues then, as I have had 1 mk1, 1 mk2, 1 mk2fl and now a mk3 and they have all had excellent handling and ride quality 

 

Probably the same with his 2.0 injected MX 5...   🤣

 

A 2 litre should do 0 to 60 in about 6 to 8 seconds depending on model year...

Edited 7 January, 20251 yr by skomaz

3 minutes ago, skomaz said:

9.7 for the swift and 8.6 for the MX5 actually.  Both checked via an accelerometer.

 

But it's not all about 0 to 60 is it...   That's just sad willy waving.

Those figures are quite respectable really, there are plenty of drivers could get into some pretty dire situations with acceleration like that, especially when there is snow and ice on the roads, the internet is full of videos of people driving performance cars on dry roads even giving the car some beans on pull away and wiping the car out. 

@Graham Butcher There is another bus depot on Dock street.

It is Electric Busses they are running and electric Coaches coming in and out the city.

The air was already cleaner in the years leading up to the LEZ and if better then fine. 

 

I fail to get the point about what the Council wanted.   Do you mean false readings?

Dundee was Electric City for quite a long time now.

The old Olympia Pool demolished, Tayside House demolished the water front opened up and much of the shopping area was pedestrianised & just deliveries, taxis, busses or disabled with a few open to others. & taxis were mainly electric.

 

 

Edited 7 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

17 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Those figures are quite respectable really

 

Given the first is a 1.0 triple and the other is 30 years old I agree!

55 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher There is another bus depot on Dock street.

It is Electric Busses they are running and electric Coaches coming in and out the city.

The air was already cleaner in the years leading up to the LEZ and if better then fine. 

 

I fail to get the point about what the Council wanted.   Do you mean false readings?

Dundee was Electric City for quite a long time now.

The old Olympia Pool demolished, Tayside House demolished the water front opened up and much of the shopping area was pedestrianised & just deliveries, taxis, busses or disabled with a few open to others. & taxis were mainly electric.

 

Yes and that Dock Street clearly visible as being all electric, but you mentioned Seagate bus station which is diesel buses. Last time I looked, electric buses never had tailpipe emissions 😉 hence why I mentioned having a meter in proximity to the exhaust pipe of a diesel powered bus with its engine running will skew the results dramatically and for the uninitiated, they believe if the authorities tell them the air is bad in the area of the city then they will believe them. I regularly check the air quality maps, and they do in fact also retain historical data on a daily basis for I think 12 months, and usually see the figures are well into the green zone and thus not hazardous to health. In other words, it really does look as if we are being gaslit, and are being done so in many other ways.

 

I used to work in the bus industry and some mornings it was impossible to see more than about 70 feet when the engines were being run to get the buses warmed up before the passengers were allowed to use them, and us engineers were actually working inside the garages while this was happening. You never ever get pollution like that in the Seagate open to the air Station. Not even with 70 buses running, which by the way the max number there is about a dozen.

Edited 7 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

The sensor was across the road from the bus station (Outside Magnum House) when i used to go there because the back goods entrance to my work and the garage was below the Wellgate centre at the top of St Andrew Street.  I went there for 27 years.  

There were times i picked up or dropped people off at the bus station and went to wait where maybe 6 or more busses were sitting maybe for quite a long time engines running. 

Edited 8 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Are these the good old days of reeky busses that people want back to?

'Stagecoach' came about when Ann Gloag & Brother Brian Soutar bought old busses and ran them to take Berrie Pickers to work. (Soft Fruit workers)

They were the most polluting of busses and ran as Berrie Busses for many years. 

 

5 years ago.   Bus station still there now.

Bur busses and coaches leave from other locations as well. 

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Haha, I see that Facebook say it's the Dundee Museum of Transport 😉

lol.

 

Spoiler.   HE IS NOT BEING SUED, not for the car and where it is being charged.  Maybe other reasons though.

 

He was not sent the first letter was he, the one about not charging undercover or keep at a distance?

 

Charging a Porsche Taycan can cost less than running a Petrol or Diesel Porsche if you use the Discounted Charging that you can get by having a Porsche EV & 

if you are a Company Car driver in a Company Car it can be very much cheaper running an EV even Public Charging. 

 

Maybe the new Insurers are now aware of his change in personal circumstances as the last insurer said in the Letter they sent about renewing his cars insurance.

Is it really tripled for other reasons?

 

£22.68 for 58.12 kWh  less than 40 pence a kWh.

150 Miles if using Super Unleaded @ 150 pence a litre @ 15 litres £22.68.      15 litres 3.3 gallons.   So the Porsche would need to be getting 45 mpg.

 

150 miles added & 58.12 kWh is because the Taycan was getting 2.6 miles a kWh being driven. 

*If it was actual business miles used only the VAT could be claimed back.* 

 

 

Ionity.

 

Edited 8 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

That was interesting, lots of questions to be answered, one way or another, these things have to be resolved to move forward.

Edited 8 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

48 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

lol.

 

Spoiler.   HE IS NOT BEING SUED, not for the car and where it is being charged.  Maybe other reasons though.

 

He was not sent the first letter was he, the one about not charging undercover or keep at a distance?

 

Charging a Porsche Taycan can cost less than running a Petrol or Diesel Porsche if you use the Discounted Charging that you can get by having a Porsche EV & 

if you are a Company Car driver in a Company Car it can be very much cheaper running an EV even Public Charging. 

 

Maybe the new Insurers are now aware of his change in personal circumstances as the last insurer said in the Letter they sent about renewing his cars insurance.

Is it really tripled for other reasons?

 

£22.68 for 58.12 kWh  less than 40 pence a kWh.

150 Miles if using Super Unleaded @ 150 pence a litre @ 15 litres £22.68.      15 litres 3.3 gallons.   So the Porsche would need to be getting 45 mpg.

 

150 miles added & 58.12 kWh is because the Taycan was getting 2.6 miles a kWh being driven. 

*If it was actual business miles used only the VAT could be claimed back.* 

 

 

 

As with a lot of Vloggers there are some elements of not strictly the truth but also some very good points, you just have to work out the most logical ones and as you rightly pointed out, his Porsche is never going to be doing 45mpg, and likewise he is not being sued by his neighbour, that is clickbait, but to be fair he did partially say that in the video that his neighbour didn't want to go and legal on it.

Incidently, there is only a gentle 12km/h wind today in Dundee and the readings are still in the green safe zone, so make of that what you will, but somewhere between the Dundee Council and the Air map lays the truth.