Put on a jumper or a hat. 

Or an extra bar on the fire, stoke up the real coal fire and drop the temperature in the Horse Stables & swimming pool a few degrees. 

 

 

It will be the "hottest January on record", you wait. 😄

It will be, but where?

Probably where all those cozy someplace inside on a computer telling others on a computer someplace inside how cold it is and how much energy costs and how keeping the lights on is costly. 

10 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

It will be, but where?

Probably where all those cozy someplace inside on a computer telling others on a computer someplace inside how cold it is and how much energy costs and how keeping the lights on is costly. 

 

Warm spell coming up.

 

UK Tax receipts in January likely to an all time record.

 

This week's 'news' going to be next week's budgie cage lining.

 

I really do feel that the EV cause would be greatly enhanced, if there was less governmental pressure on trying to enforce this change on people and the full pursuit of net-zero instead of going for a reduction in carbon emissions. As @Stonekeeper has already pointed out Thursday at 22:46 In 2023, the United Kingdom became the world’s first major economy to halve its emissions relative to 1990 levels. We are miles ahead of the curve so we could really afford to take our foot off the throttle a bit and wait for the rest of the world to catch up. It is not like the cleaner air of the UK stays in the UK, it gets blown all over the globe, and in the same way, we also heavily polluted air for the rest of the world transported here in the winds, just as we get fine sand particles deposited here from the Sahara and other places.

 

We would be far better served by ensuring that we as a whole country, not just Scotland have energy self-sufficiency so can continue to exploit our natural resources and not cap in hand to other countries to help us out and potentially play ring into the hands of an adversary like say Russia where they could effectively turn off our source of energy and bring us to our knees even without a single shot being fired. They would only need to wait until we have most of the transport being electric and then a dunkelflpute and we would be an easy target. Russia has vast reserves of oil and anybody is of the impression that they would not exploit that for their own evil benefit, needs to wake up and wise up, in my view.

 

I still say the electrification does indeed have a place in the modern era but that place where it is the dominant means of transportation needs to come along when all pitfalls of the batteries and our grid fragility and energy capacity needs to grow rapidly to cope with the demand and the issues with people not having off-road charging capability, resolved to ensure that the country can still continue to function normally under the harshest conditions imaginable. That to my mind of paramount importance and needs to come way ahead of virtue signalling any green credentials.  

50 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Put on a jumper or a hat. 

Or an extra bar on the fire, stoke up the real coal fire and drop the temperature in the Horse Stables & swimming pool a few degrees. 

Already are putting on extra layers / hats / gloves etc and have dropped the temperature on the central heating a couple of degrees. Don't have swimming pool or horses or even stables, they fall into the have's sector, not the have-nots. Unable to put an extra bar on the fire, and that if we did so would only exasperate the National Grids problem with coping with the demand, and how many homes these days have real fireplaces, and even if you have one, it means we are burning fossil fuels which are allegedly the cause of the current problems and would assist in the making of the perfect storm?🤔

They haves that can afford much more than average uses or low users are the ones that should be getting energy turned down via smart meters.   Joined up technology,  how many registered at an address, council tax, voters roll, HMRC.     How many homes in the Home Counties is the question ?      As it is ranges and Stoves for cooking and heating be it solid fuel or gas is the want of many, not just those with their own woodland and windfall. 

Edited 12 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

5 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

They haves that can afford much more than average uses or low users are the ones that should be getting energy turned down via smart meters.   Joined up technology,  how many registered at an address, council tax, voters roll, HMRC.   

 

Octopus is very keen for Intelligent Go customers to hand over control to Kraken take control so they can optimise which hour you get the cheap lecky, presumably if the wind is picking up or dying. I prefer to have my own total control for those nominated 5 hours.

 

I trust Octopus generally put still value controlling such factors myself.

 

4 hours ago, EnterName said:

No, the narrative was set out years ago and dissent ruthlessly suppressed.

You forgot to add that, it is your opinion and your opinion only. You are fully entitled to your opinion.

 

Every time, you have provided absolutely zero valid evidence for this statement. Thus it is reasonable to conclude you are only speaking your view of the world not based on the truth. In reality there is no "dissent ruthlessly suppressed".

 

4 hours ago, EnterName said:

"We"? The 70 million people in the UK? Infinitely less of a problem than the 1.4 billion people in China? It's like sweeping the deck of the titanic instead of fixing the hull.

There's evidence China is moving at a staggering pace:

EV: https://www.businessinsider.com/china-ev-sales-to-overtake-traditional-cars-2025-report-says-2024-12

Energy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_power_in_China

Capacity and yearly installs:

 

5 hours ago, EnterName said:

Ooh! Is this one of those posts where you say you want to force people to change their lifestyle to suit your ideology, then shortly afterwards object to me pointing out you're trying to force people to change their lifestyles to suit your agenda?

I'll say it yet again: Stop trying to force people to adopt your ideology. Persuasion would be acceptable, force is unacceptable.

I am explaining why government intervention may be necessary.

 

I'll say it again, I'm not forcing anyone to adopt anything.

One more time and you will be reported for repeatedly attempting to put words into my mouth.

19 hours ago, wyx087 said:

You forgot to add that, it is your opinion and your opinion only.

That's an assumption, there are other people who share @EnterName's opinion.

20 minutes ago, PetrolDave said:

That's an assumption, there are other people who share @EnterName's opinion.

As long as we are all clear that it (the statement regarding dissent ruthlessly suppressed) is an opinion, a (shared) personal world view that may or may not be the truth. Only when evidence are cross examined by experts in the field, we can move towards establishing it as a theory.

 

No one is right 100% of the time. But to keep repeating their opinion as though it is a statement, then never back up their statements makes the individual seem untrustworthy and seem like a tin foil hat wearer.

 

 

It is my opinion that man made climate change require action ASAP. I am prepared to provide evidence to back up my opinion, therefore I feel I am able to justify repeating my opinion as statements without prefixing.

But in no way I am forcing anyone to do anything in any shape or form. I typically share my real-world experiences or my opinion on how things should be done. But again, it is only my opinion of how things should be done, it can be in no way be understood as forcing anyone in any shape or form.

 

If people don't like my posts, feel free to ignore or challenge my opinions, I welcome constructive criticism through critical thinking. I am always happy to provide evidence to back up the reasoning that formed my opinion.

 

But I do hold everyone to similar standards, especially those who post statements that are different to my views. Please don't be upset if I ask for evidence, it is the best way to get to the truth.

 

 

Last time I checked, this thread isn't called "talk **** about EV's".

1 hour ago, PetrolDave said:

That's an assumption, there are other people who share @EnterName's opinion.

Steady on Dave, you'll give some people on here a stroke reading that. 😄

4 minutes ago, EnterName said:

Steady on Dave, you'll give some people on here a stroke reading that. 😄

No prizes for guessing who. 😁

Edited 13 January, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

46 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

As long as we are all clear that it (the statement regarding dissent ruthlessly suppressed) is an opinion, a (shared) personal world view that may or may not be the truth. Only when evidence are cross examined by experts in the field, we can move towards establishing it as a theory.

Given the shrieking over Elon Musk reducing censorship on Twitter/X, and Zuckerberg's recent announcement that he's going to put an end to the crude censorship previously in place on Facebook, I think my statement about suppressing dissent is on solid ground.

But you're welcome to disagree.

 

20 hours ago, wyx087 said:

You forgot to add that, it is your opinion and your opinion only. You are fully entitled to your opinion.

Every time, you have provided absolutely zero valid evidence for this statement. Thus it is reasonable to conclude you are only speaking your view of the world not based on the truth. In reality there is no "dissent ruthlessly suppressed".

20 hours ago, wyx087 said:

One more time and you will be reported for repeatedly attempting to put words into my mouth.

Everyone can see what we've both written and make their own minds up.

Threatening to have me silenced on here doesn't do much for your insistence that dissent on this issue is not ruthlessly suppressed, does it?

 

   300 miles and 545 pence is not 1 pence a mile now us it?

 To be getting 1 pence a mile with 1 kWh @ 6.7 pence you would need to get 6.1 miles a kWh.

 

*** 300 miles from a 81.4 kW/h battery means getting 3.7 miles a kWh. 

 

...................

Channel 5 @ 9 pm. Petrol vs Electric .  Which is better?

 

No idea if a repeat. 

Edited 13 January, 20251 yr by Ootohere

18 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Channel 5 @ 9 pm. Petrol vs Electric .  Which is better?

 

No idea if a repeat. 

 

It's a repeat. There's a new Car SOS on More 4 at 9 though 

Edited 13 January, 20251 yr by Lee01

3 hours ago, EnterName said:

Given the shrieking over Elon Musk reducing censorship on Twitter/X, and Zuckerberg's recent announcement that he's going to put an end to the crude censorship previously in place on Facebook, I think my statement about suppressing dissent is on solid ground.

But you're welcome to disagree.

You weaponising a completely different topic to "dissent ruthlessly suppressed". Just like you used bogus CO2 graph to make your point many moons ago.

 

I've never seen posting anything against climate change on Xwitter/Zuckbook get censored.

 

3 hours ago, EnterName said:

Everyone can see what we've both written and make their own minds up.

Threatening to have me silenced on here doesn't do much for your insistence that dissent on this issue is not ruthlessly suppressed, does it?

Again, different things.

Threatening to report you is about protecting my image. Your accusations were false, purposefully done in order to put a black mark on my name.

The dissent you were saying that were "ruthlessly suppressed" are usually poorly written papers that cannot pass peer review.

 

Please do speak up if you think you are, in any shape or form, the voice of dissent where you feel you are fighting "the cause".

All I see is a social media know-it-all that doesn't believe in authority, thinks your opinions can be dressed up as statement and does not need fact checked.

Explainer by CEO of Osprey, in plain numbers, why public rapid charging are so expensive:

 

 

As I keep saying, EV transition is not just about swapping one powertrain to another. It's a change of mentality to grazing, plug in as much as possible.

17 hours ago, wyx087 said:

I've never seen posting anything against climate change on Xwitter/Zuckbook get censored.

I'll leave you to think about that one, Wyx...

5 minutes ago, EnterName said:

I'll leave you to think about that one, Wyx...

Would Mr Witty commenter please provide such evidence of such censorship?

 

 

2 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Would Mr Witty commenter please provide such evidence of such censorship?

You censorship-deniers are just the worst! 😋

6 minutes ago, EnterName said:

You censorship-deniers are just the worst! 😋

For something to be true, I need to see evidence or reporting from reputable sources.  (not social media)

 

If you can't provide the evidence nor reputable sources, then the stuff you say should be pre-fixed to state that it is only your opinion or rumour.

 

Neither of which are worth people's time in this thread.

1 hour ago, wyx087 said:

For something to be true, I need to see evidence or reporting from reputable sources.  (not social media)

 

If you can't provide the evidence nor reputable sources, then the stuff you say should be pre-fixed to state that it is only your opinion or rumour.

 

Neither of which are worth people's time in this thread.

Okay, I'm happy to play by those rules, if you are.

Please list the sources that you would accept evidence from.