@Graham ButcherEven the Ranault van i tried and the Nissans had all the power that could be needed for the steepest of roads / drieways and with the right tyres could cope with winter roads.

The issue was the lack of range when loaded or even not loaded.

As to the vans that some MITIE workers were given they could not get plasterboard or sheets of wood the size they use in the rear.

That does not come down to them being EV,s just the wrong size of vans that some Accountants wanted.

As to the time spend charging for a Trades Person, then the Accountants must have been looking at the Contracts won, the profits to be made and the grants available to them.

Stuff the Life Work conditions of employees.

19 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

I know of tradesmen who have been given electric vans which are not capable of lugging their tools etc up the hills in their area so refuse to use them.

 

Glad that you admit it needs resolving, but how do you propose it is done, flatten all tower blocks, level all old unsuitable streets full of terraced houses many of which are barely any wider than a cars length, and rebuild millions of house with drives? The point that I was making was that quoting what you pay for home charging does NOT those that can't and that cannot see a way that they own an EV. Showing that there is a good supporting structure and making public charging no more expensive is a solution to the problem. Like I said, who fills their ICE at home, nobody, so make an EV appear to be as easy and no more expensive than a conventional car to buy, refuel, and run. Geez..... 

 

So with banks of EV chargers at car parks, fast food outlets, garden centres and supermarkets, all who want you to "tarry for a while", say 15, 20, 30 minutes, sample (buy) their wares, mayber charge for cheaper than people can at home.  They do not care if you have a drive or not but are offering access to their banks of charger, sometimes at very reasonable rates, hoping you will also pop in and they will get you other business.

 

This is the way.

 

Come up and charge  

 

 

 

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, toot said:

@Graham ButcherEven the Ranault van i tried and the Nissans had all the power that could be needed for the steepest of roads / drieways and with the right tyres could cope with winter roads.  The issue was the lack of range when loaded or even not loaded.  As to the vans that some MITIE workers were given they could not get plasterboard or sheets of wood the size they use in the rear.  That does not come down to them being EV,s just the wrong size of vans that some Accountants wanted.

As to the time spend charging for a Trades Person, then the Accountants must have been looking at the Contracts won, the profits to be made and the grants available to them.

Stuff the Life Work conditions of employees.

 

Renault 

 

 

I did not pronounce it, i typed a typo. 

38 minutes ago, toot said:

I did not pronounce it, i typed a typo. 

 

Sacre bleu mon ami, zut alore.  Avez vous un cuppa ? 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

I know of tradesmen who have been given electric vans which are not capable of lugging their tools etc up the hills in their area so refuse to use them.

 

Bloody mobile phone, I have no idea how that other post from the 10th got there, give me a proper computer and keyboard any day ☺️

So the EU or some of them really are getting the hump other EV imports from China,

 

Time that the EU / European manufacturers get on and source materials and manufacture the components in and from Europe then and build and sell the cars and meet the Emission standards that the EU intends imposing. 

59 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

So with banks of EV chargers at car parks, fast food outlets, garden centres and supermarkets, all who want you to "tarry for a while", say 15, 20, 30 minutes, sample (buy) their wares, mayber charge for cheaper than people can at home.  They do not care if you have a drive or not but are offering access to their banks of charger, sometimes at very reasonable rates, hoping you will also pop in and they will get you other business.

 

This is the way.

 

Come up and charge  

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, the post that you responded to was an old one from the 10th and somehow the mobile phone managed to insert it into the reply I did to @toot 

2 minutes ago, toot said:

So the EU or some of them really are getting the hump other EV imports from China,

 

Time that the EU / European manufacturers get on and source materials and manufacture the components in and from Europe then and build and sell the cars and meet the Emission standards that the EU intends imposing. 

There will be more can kicking yet I think.

The German Government really need to ask their Car Manufacturers if they need to build as many big heavy cars that are using far too much materials including batteries, components, materials which might be best used to produce more lighter or affordable cars.

 

Also do they think using Chinese companies as partners to pretend their products are less polluting is the honest thing to be doing.

29 minutes ago, toot said:

The German Government really need to ask their Car Manufacturers if they need to build as many big heavy cars that are using far too much materials including batteries, components, materials which might be best used to produce more lighter or affordable cars.

 

Also do they think using Chinese companies as partners to pretend their products are less polluting is the honest thing to be doing.

Good point, but maybe we should be asking government more questions about the low emission zones that springing up all over the place when the air quality is already rated as good. We should be helping more of the Third World countries clean up their act, and then everybody would benefit. 

 

Air is free to go wherever it wants to go, who has never had their cars covered in ash/sand etc that has carried in the wind from countries many thousands of miles away? The same goes for pollution.

 

We pay attention to the amount of pollution that we pump out year-on-year, it reduces and yet it hardly makes any difference, even with ULEZ, the report that cost TFL hundreds of thousands to get produced indicated that all of his measures would amount to no real difference in the air quality because it is already of a high standard.

 

Yes it has days when the air is better than others but I suspect that if anyone were to really examine the winds etc on the days that the readings here in the UK were higher than normal, I'd expect to see that the pollution has been carried in the winds from somewhere else to here and not of local production as is being claimed.

 

World's Most Polluted Countries in 2022 - PM2.5 Ranking | IQAir

 

 

Edited 14 September, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

I remembers the headline from 2014 'Le Smog from Paris threatens London air quality .     Still there to read online.

 

London can produce enough of it's own to affect peoples health.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56282064

 

These brought a smile.

 

Edited 14 September, 20232 yr by toot

40 minutes ago, toot said:

I remembers the headline from 2014 'Le Smog from Paris threatens London air quality .     Still there to read online.

 

London can produce enough of it's own to affect peoples health.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-56282064

 

The interesting part of that article is this short extract "Nitrogen dioxide (NO2) is emitted by gas heating boilers and cars, and the main hotspots are next to busy city streets." which can be readily rubbished by looking at the actual recorded stats for each monitoring station and then examining its location and some of highest readings are not next to busy city streets, but by large industrial plants like steel works etc, some of which are located next the sea and away from busy city roads, just roads going to very small local fishing docks and industrial sites, others are located right in the midst of housing estates etc.

 

The common dominator there is the huge amount of gas being consumed by industrial plants and cookers/boilers. Take an air quality tester, stick it into the N02 range, offer it up to a vehicle's tailpipe, and then take it indoors and start cooking with gas in the kitchen and measure the levels in your house, the readings for the tailpipe would be in the green and safe, in the house, they would not be in the green but would be in the hazardous to health readings.

 

This would also explain why the readings seem to be higher on really hot days and in the cooler months of the year, lower, as people open their house windows to allow a cooler breeze in, and the N02 escapes outside, and also people still running gas boilers for hot water, baths etc and boilers N02 is vented directly to the outside, hence why the readings can be seen to be higher on some estates than busy city roads.

Edited 14 September, 20232 yr by Graham Butcher

This report has just come in regarding a fire at car rental depot at Sydney Airport and I think contains a lot of good points within it.  

 

 

1 hour ago, Graham Butcher said:

This report has just come in regarding a fire at car rental depot at Sydney Airport and I think contains a lot of good points within it.  

 

Text format news article please.

14 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Text format news article please.

If there was a link to the news article, I'd have posted, but as it appeared to a TV news channel that broadcast a video clip that someone filmed on a mobile phone that drew this to the presenters attention, I'm unable to give a link to the text as the presenter clearly states that the mains stream media completely failed to report on it. All of this information is there in the video, you either watch it or ignore it, but don't shoot the messenger. But I have done a Google search as anyone can and found this.

Sydney Airport car fire: Five vehicles destroyed after electric car's lithium ion battery ignites (msn.com)

Five cars destroyed at Sydney airport after luxury electric vehicle’s battery ignites | Sydney | The Guardian

EV disaster as devastating fire sparked by faulty battery completely destroys five cars at major airport | The Irish Sun (thesun.ie)

 

 

Also found these links to other battery related fires from the same source.

Garbage truck in Padbury Perth destroyed by fire after battery found in rubbish | Daily Mail Online

 

Fire at Broadbeach Waters house could have been caused by lithium battery | Daily Mail Online

 

 

 

The Recycling facility at Perth Scotland almost under the Friarton bridge had an explosion and sadly someone died.

This is the 3rd fire there. 

This is near to the large body repair establishments. The last time the M90 was closed for hours.  Nothing to do with Electric Vehicles though, not even any suggestion of it.

 

Nothing to see, move right along.  Well not while the bridge is closed if there is another fire.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-64868337

 

Edited 14 September, 20232 yr by toot

So one battery fire and four other cars parked in close proximity, a rubbish truck fire due to some dumbass putting batteries in their waste and an e-scooter battery fire.
Was it a cheap Chinese import.
I note all the stories were from the Daily Fail - a 'newspaper' that, like others, seems to have an agenda against EV cars. Scaremongers that lot. Not even fit to be used as a Wikipedia citation.
 

29 minutes ago, Graham Butcher said:

Five cars destroyed at Sydney airport after luxury electric vehicle’s battery ignites | Sydney | The Guardian

Thank you. Good source amongst “others”. 
 

Seems like root cause is mechanical damage, according to THE Guardian and fire crew. 

Spoiler

The battery that sparked the fire had been detached from the car.

Fire and Rescue NSW (FRNSW) superintendent Adam Dewberry said crews believed the battery had been removed from the car because it was mechanically damaged.

(Sorry, can’t figure out how to insert quote box, can only do spoiler box) 

Edited 14 September, 20232 yr by wyx087

43 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

Thank you. Good source amongst “others”. 
 

Seems like root cause is mechanical damage, according to THE Guardian and fire crew. 

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The battery that sparked the fire had been detached from the car.

Fire and Rescue NSW (FRNSW) superintendent Adam Dewberry said crews believed the battery had been removed from the car because it was mechanically damaged.

(Sorry, can’t figure out how to insert quote box, can only do spoiler box) 

Correct, exactly what the dude in the video said as well, and even included a clip of that fireman saying the same thing as the text states 🙄

1 hour ago, @Lee said:

So one battery fire and four other cars parked in close proximity, a rubbish truck fire due to some dumbass putting batteries in their waste and an e-scooter battery fire.
Was it a cheap Chinese import.
I note all the stories were from the Daily Fail - a 'newspaper' that, like others, seems to have an agenda against EV cars. Scaremongers that lot. Not even fit to be used as a Wikipedia citation.
 

Yes, 1 battery removed due to suffering physical damage was left out for days apparently and then decided to catch fire on its own, and set alight to the car it came from and 4 others, all were supposed to be MG EVs. The stories were not all from the Daily Fail, but a variety of newspapers and also on Australian TV news.

 

The real juicy detail was in the video, not the articles which if they really wanted to do scaremongering, left out the terrifying bits which were included in the video, which I thought was a well researched and very well-balanced presentation if anyone could be bothered to watch and listen to what is said would discover. But why let truth and fairness all round get in the way eh?

2 hours ago, toot said:

The Recycling facility at Perth Scotland almost under the Friarton bridge had an explosion and sadly someone died.

This is the 3rd fire there. 

This is near to the large body repair establishments. The last time the M90 was closed for hours.  Nothing to do with Electric Vehicles though, not even any suggestion of it.

 

Nothing to see, move right along.  Well not while the bridge is closed if there is another fire.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-64868337

 

We had a similar situation near to London a few years ago at a scrapyard beneath the M1.

M1 fire prompts motorway bridge review, says Philip Hammond - BBC News

12 hours ago, toot said:

@J.R.are you joking?

I was defending you!!!!!!

 

You said

15 hours ago, toot said:

It has to do working days of a few hundred miles North of Dundee

 

Lol-Lol said

 

13 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Dundee to John O'Groats, just over 200 miles isn't it, not exactly "a few" hundreds miles ?

 

My reply was to convey that in a working day they would be racking up the miles here, there and everywhere, not driving from Dundee to John O Groats, and even if they did they would have to do the return journey.

When you do a working day a few hundred miles north or away in any direction it is usual to return to where you came from or might stay.

It is known as a return journey when ever it is done.  I did wonder about @lol-lolquoting what i posted.  & if going pretty direct it is 254 miles, so that extra 50 miles is an other hour. 

But then i never mentioned John O' Groats just a few hundred miles north.    I know what a few is and it is usually more than 2. 

The PodPoint are at Tesco in Wick or Thurso & to the west @ Ullapool or across on the islands. 

 

 

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Edited 14 September, 20232 yr by toot

If you want a fully loaded EV van to go and do your job of work a few hundred miles away (ie 200 miles or more and not necessarily in John O Groats) then good luck getting there never mind back again on one charge.

IIRC only the E Transit comes close with a full load range of 196 miles. 

BT/ Openreach are testing them last I heard. Not so practical for the work I did which needed a van with a work bench and full height to work in but possibly doable. More suited for local home installers/ testers/ planners/ managers etc.