Guys, 

Bad day again...as I was driving this evening, engine light popped in saying low in engine oil. After driving around couple of miles in the city (20mph) I stopped the car and inspected, Oh my days, Oil all over on the under cover, bottom of the engine and timing belt. I checked with the dipstick and there was no trace of oil at all in the tank. I now remember, last night I hit a hump..it wasn't that hard hit which is why I didnt care..but now I am thinking it could be because of that I messed something in the Oil.

Can somebody give me any idea, what could be the potential damage (as i hit the hump) and how much I am looking to get it fixed.. 

Oh God freezing cold..waiting for recovery lorry to come and take me home. 

Best let a garage assess the damage. The 1.4tsi engine has a steel sump afaik so difficult to see that being holed, though still possible, maybe the oil level sensor (plastic) which is under the sump got knocked or the sump distorted and started leaking there. It may have damage the sensor mount so the sump may need replacing too. Both parts not that expensive, and shouldnt take too long to change by a good mechanic, you will also need to change any contaminated belts. The belt in the picture is the auxillary drive belt (cheap to replace) the cambelt is under a sealed cover (not so cheap to replace) but may have escaped contamination.

 

If you drove any distance with a red (as opposed to yellow) oil warning light (i.e. no oil pressure) you may have damaged the engine internally, that could be very expensive.

 

 

For reference

https://www.skoda-parts.com/catalog/octavia-3/spare-parts/engine/engine-block-oil-sump-15.html?strana=2&sort=&query=

Edited 6 December, 20214 yr by xman

Thanks xman. The engine warning light was orange and it was low engine oil and I drove around 2miles in low speed. I'll get the car checked up tomorrow morning.

 

@automass DO NOT DRIVE THE CAR ANY FURTHER until it is looked at by an engineer.

 

If you have hit something it may well be there is damage to the sump.  That amount of loss of oil is a large amount of damage.

I had my car checked out by the local mechanic. He said the upper part of the oil sump is cracked. So he is gonna change it and seal it. Oil filter will be changed along with oil. He intended to put his garagae stock oil which is 10w-40 or something like that and gave me a quote of £250. car will be ready by 5pm today.

I agredd with him under the condition that he has to put 5w-30 oil instead of his Garage's oil.

This guy is not very reliable but what to do..I can't take it to somewhere else in this condition of the car. So, I have to have my fingers crossed for him to do the job properly.

 he said oil didn't contaminet to the belts. Let's hope for the best.

34 minutes ago, automass said:

I had my car checked out by the local mechanic. He said the upper part of the oil sump is cracked. So he is gonna change it and seal it. Oil filter will be changed along with oil. He intended to put his garagae stock oil which is 10w-40 or something like that and gave me a quote of £250. car will be ready by 5pm today.

I agredd with him under the condition that he has to put 5w-30 oil instead of his Garage's oil.

This guy is not very reliable but what to do..I can't take it to somewhere else in this condition of the car. So, I have to have my fingers crossed for him to do the job properly.

 he said oil didn't contaminet to the belts. Let's hope for the best.

 

Go to the local halfords/motor factors/large supermarket and buy a bottle of VW507 rated oil (Mobil 1/ castrol edge etc with it on the label) and give them the bottle. If you put in the wrong oil, you can badly contaminate the DPF in a very short period of time, so it's worth it.

 

Belt wise, I'd not worry too much about the aux belt, but I'd definately get the cambelt inspected once you're closer to home/at a garage you trust.

 

1 hour ago, automass said:

I agredd with him under the condition that he has to put 5w-30 oil instead of his Garage's oil.

This guy is not very reliable but what to do..I can't take it to somewhere else in this condition of the car. So, I have to have my fingers crossed for him to do the job properly.

 he said oil didn't contaminet to the belts. Let's hope for the best.

Eyk...Agreed with @cheezemonkhai - you need a good bottle of 504/507 grade oil.  Either 0W-30 or 5W-30 should be fine. 

I would clarify with the mechanic that he will *replace* the sump, not just repair the crack with a chemical sealant.  The wording sounded vague.  If you don't feel happy with him, them I would seek other alternatives.  A quick google has shown up about 5 or 6 VAG specialists in London.

@automass do you have breakdown cover?  If so, they should be able to take it to your nearest VAG specialist or Skoda dealer.  A sump itself is not hard to replace; it just the part and some time.  The whole job should on the outside take 2hrs.

1 hour ago, varaderoguy said:

Eyk...Agreed with @cheezemonkhai -

@automass do you have breakdown cover?  If so, they should be able to take it to your nearest VAG specialist or Skoda dealer.  A sump itself is not hard to replace; it just the part and some time.  The whole job should on the outside take 2hrs.

 

I agreed with the mechanic for £250 under the condition that he will put 5w-30 oil.. He said he was going out to buy the parts. I am asuming he was going to replace the upper part of the oil sump. But I'll check it out once job is done. By the way, once it is sealed do I need to put the car on rest to get it dry or I can drive after a short time?

Breakdown  recovered me last night and brought me to the garage that I wanted. they won't take the car anywhere else with the same fault.

51 minutes ago, automass said:

By the way, once it is sealed do I need to put the car on rest to get it dry or I can drive after a short time?

You can drive immediately.  Gaskets don't need curing time.  If the mechanic said they do, then it has put sealant into it.....

Ask the mechanic to take some photos before you agree to have to work done and phone around some other VAG specialists.  It might be easier to get a breakdown company to move the car to a more appropriate place and get the work done properly. 

I got the car fixed. As i asked him to show me the damaged part, he gave me this part (pics). He also left the leftover oil in the car. I can see that he used 5w-30 oil indeed..but getting confused about the part..is it the right part?

doesnt look like a sump to me, plus it has what looks like a BMW logo???

Looks like something to do with a camshaft especially with that chain.

 

No way is that a sump

Tbh that also looks like non vw 504/507 spec oil, I’d find a specialist or dealer and get the correct oil put in before you do some damage to the engine.

 

Do you have a picture of the rear label, which lists the specs?

 

That is certainly not a sump, although it could be another part that connects. I do agree it does look like a bmw logo higher up on the right of the first pic.

 

Do you have a clear picture of that round logo and the part number nearby? 

 

Is this the oil?

 

https://www.mannol.de/products/motor-oils-for-cars-and-transporters/synthetic-engine-oils/energy-premium
 

If so that’s only vw 505.01 spec, so you need to check your manual, but it’s possibly not suitable.

 

Edited 7 December, 20214 yr by cheezemonkhai

You have started a wotisit? competition, we can tell you what it isn't, a sump or upper oil pan but need more photos hopefully with a part number to decide what it is, did you get an invoice for the repairs with the parts listed?

57 minutes ago, OldAndyMac said:

doesnt look like a sump to me, plus it has what looks like a BMW logo???

Perfectly right. It is BMW part and it has got BMW logo in it . I just got back home right now and inspected the part. I will never know what was wrong with my Oil tank but he somehow managed to fix it as it appeared to me. I said earlier, I don't trust this guy but i had no other choice other than him as he is local garage.

 

44 minutes ago, cheezemonkhai said:

I do agree it does look like a bmw logo higher up on the right of the first pic.

Is this the oil?

 

https://www.mannol.de/products/motor-oils-for-cars-and-transporters/synthetic-engine-oils/energy-premium
 

If so that’s only vw 505.01 spec, so you need to check your manual, but it’s possibly not suitable.

 

 

Yea, it's BMW logo and it's bmw part. I am fuming, why did he cheat with me!!! I will probably go to him tomorrow morning. Thats the oil as well.

Can somebody advice me if i can take any legal action against him? I am just fuming. I trusted him and he took the advantage of my simplicity.

Like I said I don’t think that oil is suitable and I’d get it changed. You manual will however confirm this.

 

Rather than taking it back, I personally would get under the car with a camera to seek out new parts/see what was actually done.
 

I would probably suggest you take it to a trusted garage so they can confirm what if anything has been done and what needs doing. Get them to write a report if they state anything beyond what you expect.

 

It could be that they put the wrong part in the car, it can happen, but as they gave you a BMW part and used what looks like the wrong oil, I personally would give up taking it back due to risk of creating more problems.

 

Perhaps some members in London can recommend a decent specialist garage.

 

 

I like your idea and advice cheezemonkhai.

I will buy a bottle jack tomorrow and if weather permits I'll go under the car to see and probably will take some photos to share with you. When that guy put the car on the ramp I went under the car but didnt see any damage except the oil filter. He said top part of the Oil Sump got crack because of the impact. But to be honest, It was just little hit on the bump. I wasn't driving fast..just slowly driving over the bump while press holding the foot brake, underneath of the car touched the bump. I heard a noise. It happens to many car, especially with my friend who has MB E-class. I got a feeling that he probably just changed the Oil filter only and that is what was damaged.

Edited 8 December, 20214 yr by automass

There is the filter housing too, so it could be that. I’ve seen it crack in one before that allowed leaks in a different vehicle.

 

I wouldn’t trust a bottle jack if I’m getting under the car, i suggest just sliding your camera under and recording a video. That’ll give you a good idea.

This is a petrol car, right? No DPF involved.

Yea, it is Petrol car.

Looking on the positive side, if he put the wrong part in the car maybe he also put in the wrong oil bottle.

I went under the car and here are some pictures..couldn't figure out anything.

5 minutes ago, automass said:

I went under the car and here are some pictures..couldn't figure out anything.

Looks like a new sump, and possibly filter, to me?