52 minutes ago, smipx said:

Hopefully about 85 years for me. I'll be content with that. 

I'm going to try for The Telegram.

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by Warrior193
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It is amazing how the story of these belts change with Chinese whisper over the internet/forums, and how much of the time/distance get's changed... 3/4/5 years!  60k/80k/120k miles etc

 

I prefer always to deal in facts and hopefully the image taken from the factory manual tells most of the picture, but as we all know time will tell in the end.  This is a million dollar question really as to how this will pan out.

 

I am sure that R&D will have tested these belts over XY simulated miles/"years" and perhaps know that they should in the majority of cases last the distance.  It would be nice to revisit this thread in years to come and see.

1 minute ago, varooom said:

It would be nice to revisit this thread in years to come and see.

It's the only way sadly.  Like all decisions we all have to make in all aspects of life.  I guess we all have to look at the past track record and failure rates / statistics and make our own decision of what "might be".

No right or wrong answer whatever each of us decides I guess.

 

Just now, smipx said:

It's the only way sadly.  Like all decisions we all have to make in all aspects of life.  I guess we all have to look at the past track record and failure rates / statistics and make our own decision of what "might be".

No right or wrong answer whatever each of us decides I guess.

You have it in a nutshell 🤝

What is annoying though is that manufacturers still use a glorified elastic band in such a "complex" machine.  It beggers belief really when for just £10 more they could have fitted a lifetime chain.

I know we could all ask "does this car have a rubber band or timing chain" and then walk away but - let's be honest - it's not exactly at the top of the list when looking for a shiny new car.

 

One can only imagine what horrors are to come in 10 years for all those electric car owners relying on a few batteries to get them from A to B.

 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by smipx

Honest John was good IMO, they did get some stuff totally wrong though,  & they went bust which says something, not sure what about a job for life / lifetime.

 

So HonestJohn.co.uk bought and owned by HeyCar, owned by VW & Daimler Benz.   

They might have some working for them with a bit of knowledge of VW's.

 

The thing about Factory testing or their contractors is that they rack up the miles / km in  concentrated amount of time and it might be running cars / engines day and night and with stops, cool downs and restarts.  Like taking a Hillman Imp around the world.

 

No use if you just want to live and work In Glasgow and go back and fore to your job in a car factory 7 miles away and not have a car that overheats and warps the head.

 

Times have changed, things move on, now there is the WLTP so the software / engine management suits the test,

tuff titty if the car kangeroos on a cold morning. 

Sort that once we get enough sold and paid for.   Like with the Software for the driver, SOS, Battery regen etc.

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

Trust No-one - Believe Nothing 🙂

 

Re the EV's.  Well there are ones well over 10 years old, so we know how that is going, as with Mild & PHEV's.

 

But VW were late to the party because they invested in Diesels and were going Diesel Hybrids, but were caught cheating so that new Audi factories in Hungary and in South America 

to build Diesel Hybrids had to change to build new stuff.  

Vorsprung Durch Technik,   Do not put all your eggs in one basket if your sourcing dodgy handles for the basket. 

 

Or Stefan Jacoby is your CEO in North America. 

 

Choose your bosses, be part of the VW family, a future boss, then to Mitsubishi, back to VW, huff off to Geely / Volvo, then to GM.

Then work for yourself for others.   Jack of all trades, master of non and never held to book for what VW did, deaf, blind and dumb. 

 

The technology was known, but then they had to cheat and were caught. 

Spending more on marketing & lawyers than on R&D is not Simply Clever.

 

Vid 2.

Stay humble when you are perfect in every way. Or do not believe your own spin.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

My take is that the high cost compared to other cam belt changes is down to the cylinder deactivation.  They are covering themselves for any extra stresses this puts on the pulleys and the belt as well as the extra labour involved because of all that technology.

 

I think this has been said previously and deserves repeating.

 

tom

Higher costs to the customer due to the labour time because it is an ACT, but that is more than if a 1.4 TSI ACT.

They are just saying the same with their advice, recommendations or schedules as they do in the UK for many other engines with timing belts regardless of the CC / bhp / Nm torque be those petrol, diesel, mild hybrid or PHEV. 

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/458348-timing-belt/page/3

 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/510433-timing-belt

 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

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They are covering themselves for any extra stresses this puts on the pulleys and the belt as well as the extra labour involved because of all that technology.

I'll buy the possible extra stress requiring the change but I don't understand any extra labour. It's still just a DOHC engine as far as the cambelt change. You just need to lock both camshafts and crank in position and change the belt and tensioner. Where does the ACT affect this procedure ?

https://www.vwgenuineparts.co.uk/vw_act_active_cylinder_technology_explained.shtml

@varooom or maybe someone else will link the procedure. 

 

@NottsIan

Do you think those @ Main Dealerships taking over 6 hours labour are including their lunch break, time on the phone / net, chatting to people etc?

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Do you think those @ Main Dealerships taking over 6 hours labour are including their lunch break, time on the phone / net, chatting to people etc?

as if they would 🙂

I just think they are using the fact that it has ACT technology to attempt to rip off the customer for what is in effect no different to a normal cambelt change.

Here are the bare facts about the changes, I posted on page 2 this...

 

That dropped the hint that these needed calibration, not just slapping on like a normal belt.

 

Take a look at the process, it's only 40 pages 🤐

Pages from D4B8078C002-1_5_110_kW_TSI_EVO_Engine.pdf

 

1 hour ago, Sanqhar said:

My take is that the high cost compared to other cam belt changes is down to the cylinder deactivation.  They are covering themselves for any extra stresses this puts on the pulleys and the belt as well as the extra labour involved because of all that technology.

 

 

The thing is though...   the design of the pulleys and belt was changed for ACT to reduce stresses on them - ie the ovalised cam pulleys and the kevlar reinforced belt.

 

I know I'm slightly different as I have a 1.4TSi ACT but I'll certainly not be getting the cam belt replaced at 5 years!

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Take a look at the process, it's only 40 pages

Why make a process so complicated when with a little thought they could have made it impossible!

Looks like they've made it difficult to lock the camshafts and therefore it needs electronically checking and adjusting when the belt has been replaced

1 hour ago, NottsIan said:

Why make a process so complicated when with a little thought they could have made it impossible!

Looks like they've made it difficult to lock the camshafts and therefore it needs electronically checking and adjusting when the belt has been replaced

Let's not give VAG any bright ideas 😄 I guess this is all about tight emissions/fuel economy and a good torque curve that they need this insane level of calibration.

Given the push to full EV, it will soon be out of the hands of DIY, and I think they are not letting indepentant workshops attend EV training either... scummy move if correct.  It will be main dealer only if we are not lucky.

2 hours ago, varooom said:

 

 

 

Here are the bare facts about the changes, I posted on page 2 this...

 

That dropped the hint that these needed calibration, not just slapping on like a normal belt.

 

Take a look at the process, it's only 40 pages 🤐

Pages from D4B8078C002-1_5_110_kW_TSI_EVO_Engine.pdf 4.08 MB · 8 downloads

 

Which is why they ought to come up with a better plan than a glorified elastic band!!

They had to go with a cunning stunt.  Electrification.

So with a 1.0 TSI had mild hybrid and that also reduces any DQ200 possible issues as well, and do that with a 1.5 TSI as well, and then go with a PHEV with a 1.4 TSI to again help lower average emissions from the Fleet.

But the PHEV's need to be on Fixed Service regimes for Oil & Filter changes, and obviously the same guidelines for timing belt replacements.

 

Among the newest cars there are now recommendations or guidelines for brake fluid changes first at 2 years again, and the same has happened with VAQ diffs now being at 2 years when they were @ 3 years / 30,000 miles. 

 

Lots more possible work for going into Dealership workshops while less new cars are being delivered but waiting to get a slot with them takes longer.

One main dealership quotes £539 for a cambelt change, but only for cars on fixed service intervals. They clearly don’t like the variable service regime that keeps cars out of the workshop.

Well everyone needs to earn a crust.

2 minutes ago, Driveucrazy said:

One main dealership quotes £539 for a cambelt change, but only for cars on fixed service intervals. They clearly don’t like the variable service regime that keeps cars out of the workshop.

Well everyone needs to earn a crust.

I was also mis-quoted a figure of £580 until I pointed out my car had ACT.  They then admitted their mistake and amended their quote to £1300.

@DriveucrazySomeone on a Service Desk or on the phone may not know about National Pricing on Servicing and Maintenance and the T&C's & are going by what it used to be on 3-10 year old cars and Fixed Servicing, @ participating dealers etc.

As to Cam Belt, Water Pump and other jobs it is 'Price on application' now and they might well quote wrong on that as well. 

 

Some were clueless back in 2019, then it was all change in 2020 with Skoda UK and still they were all over the place with servicing and maintenance and prices.

So it changed from Minor or Interim and Major, and paying a price that was fixed even if parts were not supplied & fitted. 

 

There are places that do a proper job for the money charged.  Just a pity they can not all do that.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/477630-major-service-costs

 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

No, published on their website and stating that Skoda publish the standard prices but dealerships can offer promotions etc

@DriveucrazyWho's website, Skoda UK.  From what date,

or is it a dealerships version of it?     Maybe post the link to it.

 

http://skoda.co.uk/owners/servicing-maintenance-fixed-price

 

 

Edited 8 February, 20233 yr by toot

6 hours ago, NottsIan said:

Why make a process so complicated when with a little thought they could have made it impossible!

Looks like they've made it difficult to lock the camshafts and therefore it needs electronically checking and adjusting when the belt has been replaced

 

Maybe it's so difficult because it was designed not to be replaced as a lifetime component - hence the pulley and belt design - but the workshop manual has to have the replacement procedure in case it is needed, say as a result of failure of a completely different part...