The bonnet release handle has been mentioned on this forum. It's flexible enough to be pulled out slightly to clear the speaker.

Unfortunately we can’t get into car to get this sort of access. Trying to do through window that is down about 3”-4” only.

Has anyone actually looked at wiring diagrams?

I believe if you don’t have interior lighting package you have no rear door modules.

 

this means the door locks are controlled by the bcm and simply need to back feed the correct deadlock wire in the door jam.

 

but with that a smashed sump and body damage honestly I’d be walking away…. Chances are that engine was still running after having the sump destroyed and the only way of telling is a full engine strip down.

Yes, but only relating to the accessible front door bellows, where the lock motor wires are not accessible. Which diagrams do you mean @ApertureS?

Whilst it may seem a bit crazy to risk $ on the motor, the reality is car has just over 100,000km and has tech pack and safety pack and just about every option other than sun roof.

As such it’s worth $20-25,000 AUD comfortably when it’s back on the road.

But as a wreck probably get around $2,000.

It is sons first car and he won’t have the $$ to purchase same quality again.

 

Happy to spend some father and son time (and fathers and mothers money) to get it going, have had plenty of cars and rebuilt motors over the years.

Worst case scenario is a second hand Golf GTI motor is about $5k (Skoda should be cheaper but likely harder to find).

Also have most tools to do the works, but also work in fabrication business with some pretty talented team members and full spray booth.. might have to shout a few beers yet..

 

We will aim to get it sorted, hopefully get details on keys etc tomorrow and start the process to get it inside shed and get working on it.

 

Wish us luck and will keep you posted as lot more wisdom on this site that I will need to lean on.

 

thanks

Geoff

3 hours ago, Geoff77 said:

Wish us luck .......

 

I don't have anything constructive or helpful to add, but I'll certainly wish you the very best of luck for getting a good outcome out of an awful situation 👍

 

Gaz

 

Thanks for efforts so far.

 

Would anyone be able to check if there is a way to open bonnet lock from front with screwdriver or the like?

And share photo?

It is different to same model Golf and earlier model Octavia, so appreciate any help/ photos we can get.

Have you tried adding power to the centre console 12v socket yet? I know the car is locked but I'd hope a 75mm gap would be enough to get one stuck on a stick in place...

 

Bowden cable routing:

 

Lock removal:

 

Full system:

1 hour ago, langers2k said:

Have you tried adding power to the centre console 12v socket yet? I know the car is locked but I'd hope a 75mm gap would be enough to get one stuck on a stick in place...

 

Bowden cable routing:

 

Lock removal:

 

Full system:

Or a litter picker.

As you have access to some talented people, equipment and spray facilities, would you not consider cutting a hole in the outer skin of one of the front the doors to access the door lock mechanism? 

 

Some tidy welding and fettling plus a re-spray to put things right afterwards.

 

Might work, or thinking about it if you already have an inch to play with perhaps you could get your fingers in the gap an pull the window down

Edited 16 May, 20233 yr by Gammyleg
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Stupid question, but do Mk3's have an unlock button by the handbrake? It might be easier to hit with a bit of fencing wire than anything else. Not sure if they still work with the car deadlocked, but anything's worth a go. 

 

Or is the boot release an old fashioned cable pull? Should be relatively easy to get with a bit of pallet banding, especially if you can wedge/airbag the door out a little?

Edited 16 May, 20233 yr by StevesTruck

24 minutes ago, StevesTruck said:

Stupid question, but do Mk3's have an unlock button by the handbrake? It might be easier to hit with a bit of fencing wire than anything else. Not sure if they still work with the car deadlocked, but anything's worth a go. 

 

Or is the boot release an old fashioned cable pull? Should be relatively easy to get with a bit of pallet banding, especially if you can wedge/airbag the door out a little?

 

They do have the unlock button in front of the gear lever but that would need power to operate.

 

Another possibility for the OP is; seeing as the bumper is damaged, cut it off and get the bonnet open. You should be able to access a lot more with it out of the way.

Edited 16 May, 20233 yr by HeavyMetalRich
Added info.

You are not going to be able to open a deadlocked door without a key recognised by the immobiliser, forget all the fantasies of putting 12v across a pair of wires in the door loop or using the unlock button, I have locked myself in my vehicle so have the T shirt!

 

Its silly to be suggesting cutting a hole in the outside doorskin when the OP could do what I suggested earlier, break the cheapest window, squeeze inside, remove the door card and cut a hole in the door lock worm drive to release the deadlock, all this is documented elsewhere on the forum.

 

But having half destroyed the car doing that what would it actually achieve for the OP? He could then open the bonnet which can also be done without damage with some determination now the grille & bumper are off but nothing else, no starting the vehicle to see if there is any engine damage.

 

It sounds like the OP is resigned to getting the correct keys and coding done by VAG, it means a wait but  any key cloning service are going to be able to do anything without a valid chipped key that will release the ignition barrel and I doubt any locksmith will be able to either, most are just smash & grab merchants who fit new lock & ignition barrels.

If the door lock motors' wires were actually present in the front door bellows you would definitely be able to unlock it by applying 12V in the correct polarity to the motors

But they aren't,  they only go between lock module and door control module as The Client correctly pointed out on page 1.

3 hours ago, StevesTruck said:

Stupid question, but do Mk3's have an unlock button by the handbrake? It might be easier to hit with a bit of fencing wire than anything else. Not sure if they still work with the car deadlocked, but anything's worth a go. 

 

Or is the boot release an old fashioned cable pull? Should be relatively easy to get with a bit of pallet banding, especially if you can wedge/airbag the door out a little?

I mentioned this in an earlier post and the reply from @TheClient was if the locks were deadbolted the central locking button would not work. This was a surprise to me, so I sat in my car, locked it with the remote and sure enough no response from the central locking switch.

 

There is no internal boot release.

On 13/05/2023 at 05:23, Geoff77 said:

Unfortunately/ fortunately son told police he left spare key in car.

 

My thoughts...

 

1: Are you saying the spare key was used to drive the car away or are you saying it's possible the spare key could still be inside the car?

 

2: If you want in to the car, just to use a glass cutter on the open LH window and the glass will just lift out - bonnet release is on that side anyway.

 

3: Or as you mention fabrication, rather than break the glass,  can't you make up a metal rod type tool with a 'U' on one end, insert thru the window and try to hook the 'U' over the bonnet release and pull ?  I actually made up such a tool to secure the dog guard in place - it hooks over the eyelets in the floor. I bet something like that could be used to pull the internal bonnet release without breaking a window.

 

4: Deadlocks.  This is my ( probably flawed ) theory. Those who've mentioned being locked inside their car and unable to open the doors may be overlooking something - their cars have electrical power.  If window is open on the OP's car, that should be sufficient to trigger the ultrasonic alarm sensor ( assuming the car has an alarm ).  But there's no alarm or indicators flashing which suggests to me the battery is flat. And as deadlocks are powered by the battery...  My guess is the doors on the OP's car aren't deadlocked. 

Edited 17 May, 20233 yr by kodiaqsportline

A lot of good responses here, thanks you all.

Will have a go at trying to get in door with tool pictured below.. However apparently 3 different types but only 1 in Australia so will give it a gentle shot so as not to stuff lock up.

Am resigned to cutting into bumper/ grill on weekend. I did see that the Amarok appears to have same bonnet catch and there is video of opening that on line.

Whatever result, I will post learnings so that answer’s available to help anyone else who ends up in same spot.

 

If I can get bonnet open will be able to check oil filter for any metal fragments.

If filter is clear, it’s probably worth a shot to order genuine Skoda keys and then start replacing panels which will keep us busy until keys arrive.

 

As always, open to good ideas and wisdom.

 

Thanks.

10 hours ago, kodiaqsportline said:

If you want in to the car, just to use a glass cutter on the open LH window and the glass will just lift out - bonnet release is on that side anyway.

 

Never ever attempt to use a glass cutter on tempered glass, it will shatter. As for just lifting the glass out, well maybe with a vacuum cleaner if you havn't blinded yourself when the glass shattered. I can tell that you have never cut glass in your life.

 

Safest way is to use a self adhesive film to hold the pieces together when you break it.

 

10 hours ago, kodiaqsportline said:

Deadlocks.  This is my ( probably flawed ) theory. Those who've mentioned being locked inside their car and unable to open the doors may be overlooking something - their cars have electrical power.  If window is open on the OP's car, that should be sufficient to trigger the ultrasonic alarm sensor ( assuming the car has an alarm ).  But there's no alarm or indicators flashing which suggests to me the battery is flat. And as deadlocks are powered by the battery...  My guess is the doors on the OP's car aren't deadlocked. 

 

Yes a flawed theory, they are motorised gear driven deadlocks, when they are locked they are locked, removal of the power changes nothing, they require power to lock and power to unlock.

Edited 17 May, 20233 yr by J.R.

3 hours ago, Geoff77 said:

f I can get bonnet open will be able to check oil filter for any metal fragments.

If filter is clear, it’s probably worth a shot to order genuine Skoda keys and then start replacing panels which will keep us busy until keys arrive.

 

Sounds like a very sensible and pragmatic plan.

When i worked in a garage a customer left their key and child in the car. the child lock the door but coudn't unlock it. An aa guy got under the car and jumped 2 pins on the sump sensor and the car unlocked. But that was a mk2 not sure if you can do the same with the mk3..

11 hours ago, Geoff77 said:

A lot of good responses here, thanks you all.

Will have a go at trying to get in door with tool pictured below.. However apparently 3 different types but only 1 in Australia so will give it a gentle shot so as not to stuff lock up.

Am resigned to cutting into bumper/ grill on weekend. I did see that the Amarok appears to have same bonnet catch and there is video of opening that on line.

Whatever result, I will post learnings so that answer’s available to help anyone else who ends up in same spot.

 

If I can get bonnet open will be able to check oil filter for any metal fragments.

If filter is clear, it’s probably worth a shot to order genuine Skoda keys and then start replacing panels which will keep us busy until keys arrive.

 

As always, open to good ideas and wisdom.

 

Thanks.

 

 

Those picks work well, and can give you a profile to order a third party key. They take a bit of practice though. If you can't get it to unlock your car, have a go on your mate's to help you get your eye in.

 

Not too sure why you're willing to do damage to get the bonnet open. If it's just to run power into the car, can't you just drop the tray off and borrow the alternator positive wire to hook a battery charger on?

The bumper is already damaged, the grille is ok but have found that it is bonded to bumper and will come with replacement.

Just being cautious.

Quick recap…

Skoda Octavia Mk3 2016 /17

Recovered stolen vehicle, no keys, all doors locked, flat battery, all electric windows.

Googled Skoda Octavia Mk3 bonnet release cable broken and none were the same..

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What did we learn today…

Don’t cut into grille, can’t do anything here… (see pics), there is nothing you can do from front.

What works?

Removed lhs front wheel and internal lining.

There is a bonnet cable here, inside up above headlight that can be reached, however the join of two cables is different to everything I could find on the net.

Had a look at wife’s 2015 Tiguan.. Lo and behold it has same bonnet release..

Pull case apart easily, with small screwdriver (small lid comes off), and grab join of cables and pull.. bingo bonnet open.

No need to pull join apart.

 

Sorry pictures not in order but should make sense, and hopefully help next person.

We also removed bumper and pulled out oil filter.

Oil filter looked pretty normal and couldn’t see any metal bits, however ripped paper apart and it was pretty gritty.

Is this typical for these motors?