7 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Hmm, pushing them into the zero portion of their claimed fuel supply, regardless of them being BV or fossil fuelled is one step too far for me and I would expect most people, although those fossil fuelled ones do have an distinct advantage, it only requires a gallon or 5 litres of fuel poured into the tank to get going again, something that is easy to do without needing a mobile generator.

Do I detect some doubt in your mind about the number car transporter ships catching fire, surely you cannot believe that they are not true fires but hoaxes??

Fuel pumps can cavitate and get damaged also suck up muck and water in fuel tank when there is only a few litres left in the fuel system and tank.

EV's, particular European spec ones I gather, have "conservative" Battery Management Systems, BMSs. My Scenic issued a suggestion to use ECO mode when it got down to 5% battery ie about 15 miles of indicated but actually did not issue a "restricted performance" warning to 11 miles past indicate no percentage of battery left. Actual battery capacity is over 8% more than quoted nominal capacity. Batteries tend to be guarantee, albeit to something like 75% original capacity for 160k km or 8 years. Only ICE cars I have heard of such warranties were the vvankel engined cars which buyer were concerned over so extra long warranty was issued.

There are about 100,000 merchant ships. Car carries do sacrifice fire control for speed of loading and discharging, perhaps that need to change for safety sake. 100,000 tonne merchant ships I was an officer on could flood individual holds, or the whole engine room. A space equivalent to quite a large tower block ie ten stories high and a floor area of say 2500 m squared so probably about 50,000 metres cubed. But to flood the entire cargo space, perhaps 250,000 cubic metres there was not enough CO2 in the hundred or so large bottles to do that.

This smallish car transporter was headed to Mexico so not going to attract the Donald taxes so arson was perhaps not a negligence case on preparing the cars for transport hybrid, ice or the few EVs that were onboard. If it does not sink then the Loss Adjusters will gather what info they can. Work with these guys and they will try to get to facts. Difficult if the ship is 2 or 3 miles down under the waves and thousands of miles from shore.

Edited 6 June, 20251 yr by lol-lol

Fuel pumps in cars have their intake sprung against the bottom of the tank, so they suck up whatever is there, irrespective of fuel level.

Amazing how few people understand this.

Edited 6 June, 20251 yr by Breezy_Pete

I get the 16 miles range warning and then 8 and then 4 miles. So that means I know if already trying to drive as efficient as possible how things are. I could easily if already in Green + go to green, mid or sport and that 16 miles would be 12 just as HVAC is operating. Or maybe speed up and be down to 8 miles in only 2 or 3 miles covered. Much like an ice vehicle then. If reserve comes on at 60 miles, that is 60 miles as driving at that time and before for a bit.

Edited 6 June, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

I get the 16 miles range warning and then 8 and then 4 miles. So that means I know if already trying to drive as efficient as possible how things are. I could easily if already in Green + go to green, mid or sport and that 16 miles would be 12 just as HVAC is operating. Or maybe speed up and be down to 8 miles in only 2 or 3 miles covered. Much like an ice vehicle then. If reserve comes on at 60 miles, that is 60 miles as driving at that time and before for a bit.

Renault have this policy unlike the many VAG cars i have had.

Whether pure ICE, mild hybrid, full hybrid or pure BEV they blank out the mileage left when only 5% or less left. Whether they don't want to be seen to over estimate and people run out i don't know. The fuel gauges seem to be very good ans is the percentage display though as mentioned it is showing the nominal amount of battery that they want you to use not what you can use ie 12 miles easily in tge BEV Scenic and even the tiny batteried Spring did 15 miles past zero as well as still taking 10 miles more charge when showing full giving 25 miles more range than tge quoted 130 ish it said was the 100% to 0% battery amount indicated.

Probably not good, particularly in lithium NMC chemistry to regularly go below 20% or above 80% but a few hundred times, rather than a few thousand, I reckon would be ok.

Still leaning towards the LFP batteried R5 when it comes out in August but the ZE50 Zoe is a hard act to follow.

3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

Fuel pumps can cavitate and get damaged also suck up muck and water in fuel tank when there is only a few litres left in the fuel system and tank.

EV's, particular European spec ones I gather, have "conservative" Battery Management Systems, BMSs. My Scenic issued a suggestion to use ECO mode when it got down to 5% battery ie about 15 miles of indicated but actually did not issue a "restricted performance" warning to 11 miles past indicate no percentage of battery left. Actual battery capacity is over 8% more than quoted nominal capacity. Batteries tend to be guarantee, albeit to something like 75% original capacity for 160k km or 8 years. Only ICE cars I have heard of such warranties were the vvankel engined cars which buyer were concerned over so extra long warranty was issued.

There are about 100,000 merchant ships. Car carries do sacrifice fire control for speed of loading and discharging, perhaps that need to change for safety sake. 100,000 tonne merchant ships I was an officer on could flood individual holds, or the whole engine room. A space equivalent to quite a large tower block ie ten stories high and a floor area of say 2500 m squared so probably about 50,000 metres cubed. But to flood the entire cargo space, perhaps 250,000 cubic metres there was not enough CO2 in the hundred or so large bottles to do that.

This smallish car transporter was headed to Mexico so not going to attract the Donald taxes so arson was perhaps not a negligence case on preparing the cars for transport hybrid, ice or the few EVs that were onboard. If it does not sink then the Loss Adjusters will gather what info they can. Work with these guys and they will try to get to facts. Difficult if the ship is 2 or 3 miles down under the waves and thousands of miles from shore.

I think you will find internal combustion cars also, just like your claim about EV's, have a reserve buffer built into the tank so that when the gauge reads empty, there are a few more litres left to go before cavitation occurs and start to suck all the stuff that is bad for engines.

Any sane driver will ensure that they never get that low and will elect for a quick splash and dash of a few litres if the only fuel available is more costly than their normal filling station.

Edited 6 June, 20251 yr by Graham Butcher

Just now, Graham Butcher said:

I think you will find internal combustion cars also, just like your claim about EV's, have a reserve buffer built into the tank so that when the gauge reads empty, there are a few more litres left to go before cavitation occurs and start to suck all the stuff that is bad for engines.

Drove my Fabia 2 VRS almost 20 miles past zero. Without taking out the pump and look for cavitation or trying to judge if there is pump motor damage would probably too difficult ie fuel pump a sealed unit.

The twin charge vrs, electric supercharger as well as exhaust gas driven super charger was a marvel but probably an economic disaster for VAG as such a high percentage need warranty work. The matched dry clutch 7 speed as had a bunch of problems.

Mine was fine for both engine and gearbox and I was lucky. Could get over 600 miles range, 0 to 60 in a bit over 7 seconds.

Liked expensive 98 or 99 or 102 octane fuel.

EV are massively simpler, cheaper to run, cheaper to service. The range and speed of charging can be issues but if not in a rush not a problem. Spend the money you save on coffee, BK etc.

Edited 6 June, 20251 yr by lol-lol

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

EV are massively simpler, cheaper to run, cheaper to service. The range and speed of charging can be issues but if not in a rush not a problem. Spend the money you save on coffee, BK etc.

As I have said before, I think if I were only doing short trips in and around the city and I had the means of charging safely at home, then I probably would go for a BEV providing I was able to fit in it with my size 15 feet, 6ft 4" tall body that is well over weight and also my family (3 of whom are also 6ft 4" tall with large feet), but the reality is that is not what I do. None of the places I visit on long trips have any form of onsite/destination charging as they are miles away from major built-up areas etc.

Me me me me.......

Back on topic, I can't find EV Bjorn of Norway/Thailand testing Mini to empty.

Closes I have found is BMW i4.

Video runs the car to completely empty. Drove quite far on 0%. Charged a bit using portable battery and drove to a rapid charger.

Green Plus mode restricts power so acceleration, throttle response, but not the TOP Speed, (Like in very cold weather.) you can go at 70 mph, you can go at 94 mph on CC or not, but acceleration is restricted because power is.

He could have tried it and floored the accelerator.

Or you just move to GREEN, MID or Sport, boot it and then back to GREEN + if someone is up your jacksy.

116 miles CrossClimates on an AC is pretty damn good.

AC off sooner (windows open or sunroof) and into Sport Mode and more coasting with Regen on Low it would have gone further.

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Ye olde.

He gets 170 miles... Bottom vid.

I get 110 miles when it shows a am doing 3.5 miles a kWh

If it showed 4 miles a kWh then that would be 130 miles plus..

His cars @ fault, (There were Software updates since.) it is never averaging 4.9 - 5.2. it works it out on the 32.6 kWh total capacity. (That is where they get the WLTP Figure)

5 x 32.6 is 163 miles available, or if counting 30 kWh

@ 4.9 miles then 147 miles.

The estimated range changes if you set the heating say from 16 degrees to 20 degrees, put on the AC to cool, go from Mid to Sport it might not, go from Mid to green it will show an extra 3 miles, go to Green + and maybe an extra 6 miles.

I know what is best, and if you need no heating / cooling and can go into Cruise Control & Green + you might get an extra 20 miles range still at 70 mph.

Amazing, i did get 145 miles and not empty. on a77 slowly, warm day not roasting.

No AC on.

Loads of traffic from ferry on way back, some on way south.

Edited 7 June, 20251 yr by Ootohere

@Ootohere Wow, did they say that they actually have roundabouts in Colorado? The Yanks, over at RAF Lakenheath and RAF Mildenhall, are often confused at the roundabouts on our roads!

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

Green Plus mode restricts power so acceleration, throttle response, but not the TOP Speed, (Like in very cold weather.) you can go at 70 mph, you can go at 94 mph on CC or not, but acceleration is restricted because power is.

He could have tried it and floored the accelerator.

Or you just move to GREEN, MID or Sport, boot it and then back to GREEN + if someone is up your jacksy.

116 miles CrossClimates on an AC is pretty damn good.

AC off sooner (windows open or sunroof) and into Sport Mode and more coasting with Regen on Low it would have gone further.

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Ye olde.

He gets 170 miles... Bottom vid.

I get 110 miles when it shows a am doing 3.5 miles a kWh

If it showed 4 miles a kWh then that would be 130 miles plus..

His cars @ fault, (There were Software updates since.) it is never averaging 4.9 - 5.2. it works it out on the 32.6 kWh total capacity. (That is where they get the WLTP Figure)

5 x 32.6 is 163 miles available, or if counting 30 kWh

@ 4.9 miles then 147 miles.

The estimated range changes if you set the heating say from 16 degrees to 20 degrees, put on the AC to cool, go from Mid to Sport it might not, go from Mid to green it will show an extra 3 miles, go to Green + and maybe an extra 6 miles.

I know what is best, and if you need no heating / cooling and can go into Cruise Control & Green + you might get an extra 20 miles range still at 70 mph.

Amazing, i did get 145 miles and not empty. on a77 slowly, warm day not roasting.

No AC on.

Loads of traffic from ferry on way back, some on way south.

Thanks. Very good videos on the 30 kwh 2000 to 2023. Do like the"Out of Spec" guy. Does some great content. Talking the Zoe ZE50 round the Nurnburgring is one of my favourites and getting the motor to over speed it's 11500 ram limit.

The 2024 to present mini with the 36 " useable", 40 kwh smaller option battery is supposedly about 30% more range.

Don't think the E version is available in some markets so Bjorn Nyland only tested the bigger battery SE with the 49 kwh battery.

Shame as the E sounds the better dynamically not suffering the extra weight penalty.

What really sold us the E over tge SE was driving both the E felt quite close in acceleration performance and the ZEPREF website confirmed there was only about 4 tenths of second ie 7.2 to 6.8s to 100 kph between the 2 versions. £3K lower RRP and that can be spent on moving up the level packs and level 1 exclusive seemed to have some nice add ons.

£500 off currently. Same figure Mini Agents get as they have to declare this now. Mini dealers probably make more money on second hand sales.

Yes, agreed great videos, but sorry, I still think that if people drive their EV's like that just to try and get back to their home charger and cheaper running costs, then I think that they really a sandwich short of a picnic and deserve to come unstuck big time and sooner or later that is precisely what is going to happen to them. I mean hell, come on, this is reality and nobody can predict what is going to happen from 1 second to the next, fact.

If that was the case then there would be no such thing as accidents, or police incidents, acts of nature, fires etc that cause traffic delays or diversions.

@lol-lol somebody pointed out to me that there are countries in the far east or Asia where the New SE has been given less bhp. I think the MINI E is far better for the lighter weight and 16" tyres the one I had was wearing. But I would not want one over the version I have. These guys check surely see the likes of 100 miles done and half the battery and no way will they get that with the next half the battery. 1% and 1 mile or 1.1 mile is simple. But then if getting 1.4 miles for 1% it is not actually a complicated thing to figure out.

Edited 7 June, 20251 yr by Ootohere

Matt Watson,s vids with EV,s cut out in the centre medium were just plain stupidity on their part IMO. As to the AC and cooling. For me where it is essential is rainy mist conditions and windows steaming up. Then the difference of just a driver or driver and passenger cab make a noticeable difference. Really an extra 100 or more weight in a MINI small battery car makes a difference for the worse. As far as the 218 ps car with more weight and crap traction on OEM tyres, it is not more efficient it really is pointless having more power for UK roads. IMO.

Edited 7 June, 20251 yr by Ootohere

The old ones and new ones are faster than official figures. And Sport not automatically quicker. Set dynamic off etc. Or on or try in MID or Green but really tyres and pressures matter most and that does not mean 18 or 17, wider tread is quicker and less wheelspin. Front wheel drive and some say the old one was too heavy at the front. I think and know they really have not timed them. I use DRAGY.

Edited 7 June, 20251 yr by Ootohere

I also think that most of the today's cars are endowed with far too much power and would be far greener with less power on tap and also cut down the amount of series accidents and fatalities on the road.

I really see very few EV,s speeding on any roads other than motorways in Scotland but there are average speed cameras most of the routes I go or Speed camera vans, marked and unmarked police vehicles etc. What I am seeing is more Electric vans and mini buses really pushing on, tailgating and overtaking quickly were ICE light commercial might not. Those that can not keep up near to speed limits are totally, PITA, maybe just seeking that magic efficiency to get home or to cheap charging of just any charging.

Edited 7 June, 20257 Jun by Ootohere

5 hours ago, Ootohere said:

I really see very few EV,s speeding on any roads other than motorways in Scotland but there are average speed cameras most of the routes I go or Speed camera vans, marked and unmarked police vehicles etc. What I am seeing is more Electric vans and mini buses really pushing on, tailgating and overtaking quickly were ICE light commercial might not. Those that can not keep up near to speed limits are totally, PITA, maybe just seeking that magic efficiency to get home or to cheap charging of just any charging.

Try coming down South and that will change I promise you, but it is not just speeding its the amount of power on tap and so many people are really not upto handling it positively and safely.

Edited 7 June, 20257 Jun by Graham Butcher

3.9 miles to the kWh today over 84 miles of keeping to the speed limits and there were no speeders, maybe because nose to tail traffic pretty much all the way. Pita is ElectroVerse card not allowed this time and needed CPS card. Charging speed good and just need 80 miles range in case of needing to take a diversion. £8.50 for this charge

Edited 8 June, 20258 Jun by Ootohere

@Ootohere Yeah, good luck spotting any bus or coach down here sporting the green flash on the number plates. I guess the reason you have so many in Scotland is that you have an abundance of electricity capacity in the cities thanks to all the generation of power going on with wind, hydro and solar, the first of which you have plenty of.

This report is for the A12 road, very local to me where these photos were taken from, show the level of speeding going, and the car in the photo I think is a BMW but registration details blanked out, but it has good chance of being electric as we do have plenty of the higher class cars being electric.

A12 speeding offenders who hit 140mph will be punished, police say | Braintree and Witham Times

Edited 8 June, 20258 Jun by Graham Butcher

Passed at least 8 in my direction or coming towards me

@Graham Butcher I really never suggested that there are not speeders in Scotland just that i do not see EV,s speeding & because the routes are Catch areas, cameras etc.

I think as well that many EV drivers, commercial or not realise how easily caught at the time or historically in the Computers on wheels.

29 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

@Graham Butcher I really never suggested that there are not speeders in Scotland just that i do not see EV,s speeding & because the routes are Catch areas, cameras etc.

I think as well that many EV drivers, commercial or not realise how easily caught at the time or historically in the Computers on wheels.

Sorry, my bad, I thought you was implying that drivers up your way were more law-abiding than ours 😉The best bit is that where those drivers were caught, there are a few stretches of A12 with average speed cameras and is also patrolled frequently by unmarked police cars, some drivers are no more than flipping Muppets.

Edited 8 June, 20258 Jun by Graham Butcher

3 hours ago, Graham Butcher said:

Sorry, my bad, I thought you was implying that drivers up your way were more law-abiding than ours 😉The best bit is that where those drivers were caught, there are a few stretches of A12 with average speed cameras and is also patrolled frequently by unmarked police cars, some drivers are no more than flipping Muppets.

Ex colleague of mine, 178 mph on his speedo on the A12 some years back. Gixer 1000.

Was it Top Gear who tested and confirmed you use to be able to go quicker than some speed measuring system could cope with ?

Its odd that you can fly a few hundred miles over to Germany and legally drive on some motorways at 155 mph. More if you want and had the car delimited and, of course told your insurance you have done so.

Renaults and Volvos are now limited to 113 mph I gather and many EVs will barely do 100 mph as single geared and hit the rev limits. Some EVs have 2 gears and can do more than 125 mph, some even more than 155 true speed. Even digital speedo seem to overread by 4 or 5% or so.

Quite happy to be limited to 100 mph. Getting to 30,40 or 50 mph quick is more important. Looking forward to the Mini Cooper E and Go Kart mode.

Edited 9 June, 20259 Jun by lol-lol

@100% this morning. 18 degrees C. The difference of range that shows with AC off and then AC while sitting with the MID. Default mode. AC just gets put on if needed, but windows and sunroof open not needed. Nice breeze just now. Later when hot maybe yes AC on as not needing. To charge today, just staying local. PS and then 1 3 miles down hill.

LP

Edited 17 June, 202517 Jun by Ootohere