Superb Scout edition harsh suspension

[Shuggyboatsuperb]

I’m following this thread with some interest; need the increased height/ rough road package on my estate but will be looking to improve the level of damping,  at the front in particular, at some point in the future.   ( still got a year of extended manufacturer warranty left and LT 30 k miles on the car so not in a hurry to change yet).

Was hoping Bilstein B6 would fit.

[Tonies]

19 hours ago, Carlston said:

 

 

 

Do you want to try standard ride height shock absorbers, such as Bilstein B6, with your increased ride height springs, or do you want to drop the ride height by changing to standard ride height springs.

 

 

 

 

I would like to stay with the current increased height. Thats why I bought the Scout.

I dont know from where the height comes ? Only due to the 'longer' springs? If that is the reason - how the Biltein B6 for normal height will work with the longer springs ?

I am getting the daily feeling that the car is 'swimming' or and feeling like a boat. Its just that feeling that car is sitting only on the springs and even the smalles bump that are on the road are transferring to the cabin. It is very strange that the car leans a lot, there is a lot of movement of the body, it has the boat feeling but when I hit a bump or a sleeping policeman there is sooo much noise and it seems I am bottoming out the suspenion. Does that mean that the spirngs are soft or the shocks are soft ? As far as I can understand the Bilstein B6 are much harder shocks and I have to know what will be the end result before I spent a lot of money and replace the oem 3 years old suspension.

[Tonies]

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Edited 8 February by Tonies
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[Shuggyboatsuperb]

Wonder if these would work ? It suggests they will for “ increased height”, and KYB struts generally are good

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359022

and

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359027

 

Personally speaking with my car and the uses it is put to, I can live with the generally soft, comfort “boaty” suspension most of the time BUT  on country lanes - typical Northumbrian /Scottish A class roads- even at moderate speeds, small road ripples or rough surfaces on bends tend to throw the front end off line ( with “jiggling/ rattling” feel ) and theres a particular spot just off a bend where a slight depression across the road leads the front end to compress/ load up - thats ok - but is then followed by a second depression 3 -4 metres further on where the front end bottoms out heavily on the bump stops. Feels like the shocks are still loaded up from the first “bump” and haven't recovered in time for the second depression. Im talking just shallow very smooth depressions in the road here and have tried different lines / angles of approach and dropping speed as low as 20 -25 mph, and get the same bottoming out.
Our other cars ( admittedly models renowned for good handling) barely feel these depressions when cruising steadily in the same place at anything up to 40-45mph.

Been like that since the Superb was new.   Strange the back end damping and springing  is fine and controlled even when heavily loaded up.

 

Edited 8 February by Shuggyboatsuperb
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[Tonies]

4 minutes ago, Shuggyboatsuperb said:

Wonder if these would work ? It suggests they will for “ increased height”, and KYB struts generally are good https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359027

 

Personally speaking with my car and the uses it is put to, I can live with the generally soft, comfort “boaty” suspension most of the time BUT  on country lanes - typical Northumbrian /Scottish A class roads- even at moderate speeds, small road ripples or rough surface tend to throw the front end off line ( with “jiggling/ rattling” feel ) and theres a particular spot just off a bend where a slight depression across the road leads the front end to compress/ load up - thats ok - but is then followed by a second depression 3 -4 metres further on where the front end bottoms out heavily on the bump stops. Feels like the shocks are still loaded up from the first “bump” and haven't recovered in time for the second depression. Im talking just shallow very smooth depressions in the road here and have tried different lines / angles of approach and dropping speed as low as 20 -25 mph, and get the same bottoming out.
Our other cars ( admittedly models renowned for good handling) barely feel these depressions when cruising steadily in the same place at anything up to 40-45mph.

Been like that since the Superb was new.   Strange the back end damping and springing  is fine and controlled even when heavily loaded up.

 

 

Oh my God, this was exactly written just out of my minds. I have absolutely the same feeling. I had to drive sooo slowly sometimes that there has been a queue behind me with much more cheaper and old cars that want to overtake me. This never happen with any of my old cars. I also think that when you hit the first bump, the suspenion is not been able to set up again in a normal position. May that means - the shocks are soo soft and lazy that dont want to decompress at all. As I said, overall feeling is that I am driving on springs only. 

Now, about the KYB, I am thinking that most of the OEM replacement will be pretty much the same and thats why I would risk with a time proven product as Bilstein. I am feeling more and more confident about that change. I am just afraid what will happen with changing the current soft dampers to B6 and keeping the old Springs.

[Shuggyboatsuperb]

Tonies,   I have the same doubts about going to B6 if the comfort on major dual carriageways/ motorway roads suffers. 
I am certain the diagnosis is that the OE front shocks compress too easily but rebound too slowly so cannot handle well against repetitive rough spots or dual small “ bumps” , one close after the other.  
 My car has increased ride height and weight range 5 springs ( 2.0D FWD manual gearbox) and I think this weight range spring in this model shouldnt be too soft a spring.

Simply, the OE dampers are too slow to re-extend on multiple slightly-rough areas  of road.

I would hope some replacement front shock brand will still be comfortable but respond more quickly on rebound, - but I would like to get it right the first time rather than experiment / risk everyday driving getting worse! 

[Carlston]

2 hours ago, Shuggyboatsuperb said:

Wonder if these would work ? It suggests they will for “ increased height”, and KYB struts generally are good

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359022

and

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/kyb/14359027

 

The KYB 3358015 front shock absorbers and KYB 3448024 rear shock absorbers are listed as aftermarket replacements for lowered ride height shock absorbers, standard ride height shock absorbers, and increased ride height shock absorbers, ie. it's a one size fits all approach from KYB so might not be a close match to the specification of the original shock absorbers. It's a similar story with most of the other aftermarket shock absorbers. However, these KYB shock absorbers should be long enough for the increased ride height car otherwise KYB shouldn't be listing them for it.

 

KYB 3358015 front shock absorbers are sold to replace the following OEM part numbers

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Edited 8 February by Carlston

[Shuggyboatsuperb]

Thanks Carlston,  

As for the B6 on increased ride height cars- whats your thoughts or opinion, is the length suitable?

 

Edited 8 February by Shuggyboatsuperb
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[Tonies]

As far as I can see for Bilstein - this is the part number that is needed for my Wagon - 35-229872.

I did some research and we can see the sizes here 548mm: 
 

 

Also we can notice the specified NOT FOR - Scout ...

 

However, According to the sizes because If I compare it to the KYB 3358015 above front size is from 520mm to 550mm (550mm that is supposed to be the size for the Raised vehicle ) - it means that B6 should also fit on the OE springs ?

 

 

 

[Carlston]

Increased ride height cars are only about 15mm higher than standard ride height cars. If you've ever jacked up a car, you will have seen that the car's body goes up quite a way before the tyre lifts off the ground. Therefore, it might be worth giving the standard ride height Bilstein B6 shock absorbers a go.

 

As you can see below, autodoc are listing different Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for the (Passat B8 Alltrack, Karoq) compared to the (Passat B8, Octavia MK3, Superb MK3). I suspect it might be better to use the (Passat B8 Alltrack, Karoq) versions for the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height.

 

Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for the Passat B8 Alltrack and Karoq for the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height.

 

Bilstein B6 35-273806 front shock absorbers (for Passat B8 Alltrack, Karoq)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9612727#shock-absorber

 

Bilstein B6 24-267137 rear shock absorbers (for Passat B8 Alltrack, Karoq)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9350571

 

Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for the Passat B8 and Superb MK3.

 

Bilstein B6 35-229872 front shock absorbers (for Passat B8, Octavia MK3, Superb MK3)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/7522722#shock-absorber

 

Bilstein B6 24-229890 rear shock absorbers (for Passat B8, Octavia MK3, Superb MK3)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/7543304#shock-absorber

 

Edited 8 February by Carlston

[Tonies]

I am not sure that the comparision between Alltrack and Scout is correct because as far as I have  seen an Alltrack - it looks higher than my Skoda. 

Also the regular Passat estate is also lower than the Alltrack:

 

Now, about the link above for the Alltrack version of B6. Its strange that according to the site above, the shown B6s are fitted to VW Alltrack series eg - Golf, Passat, even Tiguan, and for Skoda - only for Karoq. So considering that the Passat Alltrack is higher than Skoda Scout, and the presented part is also fitted to a SUV like Tiguan and Cupra Forementor, Seat Ateca - can we judge that this is not proper replacement for the Superb even with higher suspension ? May be the 'normal' B6 version for Skoda will be better approach? Sadly, It seems there is no website containing that Bilstein B6  Alltrack dampers what size are they to compare with B6 for Skoda Superb  - even the official Bilstein site...

 

[Carlston]

Looking at the gknautomotive.com spring catalogue you can see that the Passat B8 Alltrack has similar length front springs to the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height. So the Passat B8 Alltrack has +15mm increased ride height suspension just like the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height.

 

This is good news because it means that the below Bilstein B6 shock absorbers should be ok for the Superb MK3 4x4 with increased ride height.

 

Bilstein B6 35-273806 front shock absorbers (for Passat B8 Alltrack, Karoq)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9612727#shock-absorber

 

Bilstein B6 24-267137 rear shock absorbers (for Passat B8 Alltrack, Karoq)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9350571

 

Edited 8 February by Carlston

[Shuggyboatsuperb]

Great info, thanks:  Tonies and Carlston.

Now hopefully to close this off from my perspective, for the FWD estate ( lighter than AWD) it seems  the alternative B6 shocks in your post above Carlston, would appear suitable - i.e.  those for the standard superb mk3

 

just so I have the info for replacing some time in future.

[Carlston]

2 hours ago, Shuggyboatsuperb said:

Great info, thanks:  Tonies and Carlston.

Now hopefully to close this off from my perspective, for the FWD estate ( lighter than AWD) it seems  the alternative B6 shocks in your post above Carlston, would appear suitable - i.e.  those for the standard superb mk3

 

just so I have the info for replacing some time in future.

 

If you have a Superb MK3 front wheel drive with increased ride height then it might be better to use the Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for the Passat B8 Alltrack because that car also has increased ride height.

 

However, the Passat B8 Alltrack is 4x4 so maybe the Bilstein B6 rear shock absorbers for that car would be a little firm for use on a front wheel drive.

 

Edited 9 February by Carlston

[Shuggyboatsuperb]

Carlston:  Thanks very much for your thoughts and experience.

What  youre saying makes a lot of sense and sure you will be right.  

TBH although I often carry a heavyish load, my standard rear shocks and springs are currently fine- the problem is at the front - but obviously may need to move to more “ balance up” front and rear if fitting Bilsteins to the front. 
So will likely go for the B6 alltrack version for the front and superb B6 on the rear.
Will keep my eye out for any discounts (always hopeful!) and get a set put away for future fitting.

thanks again.

and hope it goes well for you Tonies.

 

[Tonies]

I am 100% sure and ready to order 4 shocks - I just want to be 100% sure which one of both options will suite better for my configuration. I have sent an email to Bilstein with all the details we had here.

Meanwhile, I found another user with Scout complaining about that and reached Bilstein before a few years back:

"Unfortunately we have to inform you, that we don't have a BILSTEIN solution in the catalog for the mentioned vehicle with option Scout, which is softer then series."

 

That was the short reply to his email. This somehow confirms that the Scout has a soft setup than the regular one. 

I am just waiting to see the Alltrack shock size because it seems that even on a Bilstein catalog there is no data for it. 

 

 

[Carlston]

13 hours ago, Shuggyboatsuperb said:

Carlston:  Thanks very much for your thoughts and experience.

What  you're saying makes a lot of sense and sure you will be right.  

TBH although I often carry a heavyish load, my standard rear shocks and springs are currently fine- the problem is at the front - but obviously may need to move to more “ balance up” front and rear if fitting Bilsteins to the front. 
So will likely go for the B6 alltrack version for the front and superb B6 on the rear.

 

If you're going for the standard ride height rear shock absorbers, I suggest you match them with standard ride height front shock absorbers.

 

After all, the difference in ride height between increased ride height and standard ride height is only about 15mm.

 

Perhaps try the rear modification first, as not only are the rear shock absorbers cheaper than the front but there's a lot less labour to change the rears.

 

Edited 9 February by Carlston

[Carlston]

8 hours ago, Tonies said:

I am 100% sure and ready to order 4 shocks - I just want to be 100% sure which one of both options will suite better for my configuration. I have sent an email to Bilstein with all the details we had here.

Meanwhile, I found another user with Scout complaining about that and reached Bilstein before a few years back:

"Unfortunately we have to inform you, that we don't have a BILSTEIN solution in the catalog for the mentioned vehicle with option Scout, which is softer then series."

 

That was the short reply to his email. This somehow confirms that the Scout has a soft setup than the regular one. 

I am just waiting to see the Alltrack shock size because it seems that even on a Bilstein catalog there is no data for it. 

 

There's probably only around a 5% difference in the stiffness of the Passat B8 Alltrack springs and the Superb MK3 4x4 Scout springs. Even VAG will use the same shock absorbers for a range of springs that could be up to around 15% difference in stiffness, ie. shock absorbers aren't matched on a one to one basis with springs, they are fitted to a range of springs with different stiffnesses. I've seen this in VAG parts catalogues where each shock absorber might be matched to three or four different weight range springs.

 

I doubt Bilstein will be able to help you with a non-standard choice of shock absorbers. Until recently, Bilstein were listing their B6 shock absorbers for the Passat B8 but not the Superb MK3. They didn't seem to have the mental agility to realise that the suspension on these two cars is very similar...although to be fair the Bilstein staff would only be able to repeat the information that is already in their catalogues. Some owners took it upon themselves to fit the Bilstein B6 Passat B8 shock absorbers to the Superb MK3 and found that the handling was transformed albeit with the shock absorbers being on the firm side. Bilstein at the time, simply said that they had nothing to offer for the Superb MK3.

 

Edited 9 February by Carlston

[naster]

You could retrofit standard springs and shocks for a non-Scout but use a gentle lift kit of 20mm to make up for the height. Ive heard of companies in CZ and here in BG that sell these.

[Carlston]

9 hours ago, naster said:

You could retrofit standard springs and shocks for a non-Scout but use a gentle lift kit of 20mm to make up for the height. Ive heard of companies in CZ and here in BG that sell these.

 

When VAG use increased ride height springs they tend to be stiffer than the standard ride height equivalent because the car's centre of gravity is raised, so the stiffer springs help to keep the car stable. Because cars with increased ride height might be used off-road or at least on poorly surfaced roads, the stiffer springs also help the car's suspension from bottoming out.

 

If you increase the ride height but use the springs from the standard ride height car (by using a lift kit) the springs will be too soft. You could fit stiffer springs but these might not be available aftermarket, as aftermarket tends to only sell what they can sell a lot of.

 

Even if you did find suitable stiffer standard ride height springs (to go with the lift kit), the standard ride height shock absorbers might then be a little under-damped for the stiffer springs.

[Tonies]

A little update and info from my side. I did go to the dealer and asked what are my current suspension setup and I asked for a prat numbers:
Front shocks - 3Q0413031CT

Front springs - 5Q0411105HS

 

Rear shocks - 3Q0513049GA 

Rear springs - 3Q0511115AS 

 

According to the front shock number - this clearly matches the Bilstein B4 but again nothing for B6... I am sure that Bilstein doesnt even know that the Scount is just a Superb with a rised suspenions/bad road.

I am attaching a few pictures that I got in the past from beneath the car. Front one seems to match but am I wrong that I see a different part number on the rear shocks ? It clearly can be seen as - 3Q0512011JC by ZF ? I am confused now.

 

According to the above information, which bilsten B6 will be most suitable to order for my Scout ?

 

[naster]

On 10/02/2024 at 18:04, Carlston said:

the springs will be too soft

I thought it was self explanatory that the lift was a gateway to a wider variety of shocks and harder springs as well.

[Carlston]

23 hours ago, Tonies said:

A little update and info from my side. I went to the dealer and asked for the part numbers:

 

Front shocks - 3Q0413031CT

Front springs - 5Q0411105HS

 

Rear shocks - 3Q0513049GA 

Rear springs - 3Q0511115AS 

 

These Bilstein B4 shock absorbers are from the Passat B8 and might be suitable for the Superb MK3 2.0TDI/2.0TSI 4x4 with increased ride height. However, it might be best to get the VIN of a similar Passat B8 to your car and find out the OEM part numbers of that car's springs and shock absorbers. You could then compare the Passat's springs with the Superb MK3's springs to make sure they are similar. Check the length and wire diameter. The springs will be similar if they are about the same length and within 0.25mm wire diameter. Then check the OEM part numbers for the Passat's shock absorbers against the below list.

 

Bilstein B4 22-253415 front shock absorbers (from Passat B8)

3Q0413031AS

3Q0413031AT

3Q0413031BA

3Q0413031BQ

3Q0413031BR

3Q0413031BS

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9266904

 

Bilstein B4 19-253428 rear shock absorbers (from Passat B8)

3Q0513049ES

3Q0513049FF

3Q0513049FM

3Q0513049GE

3Q0513049GF

3Q0513049GG

3Q0513049GH

3Q0513049GL

3Q0513049GQ

3Q0513049GR

3Q0513049GS

3Q0513049GT

3Q0513049HA

3Q0513049HB

3Q0513049HK

3Q0513049HL

3Q0513049HM

3Q0513049HN

3Q0513049JK

3Q0513049JL

5QD513029AL

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9129924

 

The Bilstein B6 shock absorbers don't appear to be listed against OEM part numbers.

 

Notice that the below Bilstein B6 shock absorbers are listed for both the Karoq and the Passat B8 Alltrack. This would suggest that they are both for increased ride height cars.

 

Bilstein B6 35-273806 front shock absorbers (for Passat B8)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9612727#shock-absorber

 

Bilstein B6 24-267137 rear shock absorbers (for Passat B8)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/bilstein/9350571#shock-absorber

 

Edited 12 February by Carlston

[Tonies]

Is there any possibilities that the passat alltrack B6 version is logner than the Skoda Superb standard ride height one? 

I am curious from where the differences in the ground clearence comes for the Superb Scout, Passat Alltrack and Skoda Karoq:
 

 Karoq 172 mm

Passat Alltrack 174

 Superb Scout 151 mm

 

There is clearly something related between the Karoq and Passat - just as it is stated and pointed that the Bilstein B6 35-273806 is for.

Hows that possible that there is not a single word about the technical data and size for Bilstein suspenions?

 

Do you think there can be any major differnces in the sizes between the two versions B6 - Skoda Superb standard height and the passat/karoq?

 

[Carlston]

3 hours ago, Tonies said:

Is there any possibilities that the passat alltrack B6 version is logner than the Skoda Superb standard ride height one? 

I am curious from where the differences in the ground clearence comes for the Superb Scout, Passat Alltrack and Skoda Karoq:
 

Karoq 172mm

Passat B8 Alltrack 174mm

Superb M3 Scout 151mm

 

There is clearly something related between the Karoq and Passat - just as it is stated and pointed that the Bilstein B6 35-273806 is for.

Hows that possible that there is not a single word about the technical data and size for Bilstein suspenions?

 

Do you think there can be any major differences in the sizes between the two versions B6 - Skoda Superb standard height and the passat/karoq?

 

 

The front and rear springs are very similar between your Superb MK3 280HP Scout and the Passat B8 Alltrack. The Passat B8 Alltrack has slightly stiffer springs, but only about 0.25mm increase in wire diameter which is about 5% stiffer.

 

The front springs are so close that Kilen/Lesjofors sell the same aftermarket front springs to replace both 5Q0411105HS (your front spring) and 5Q0411105DP (Passat B8 Alltrack front spring).

 

Lesjofors 4095142 front spring (sold to replace both 5Q0411105HS (your front spring) and 5Q0411105DP (Passat B8 Alltrack front spring)

https://www.autodoc.co.uk/lesjofors/15270767

 

The 151mm ground clearance for the Superb MK3 Scout seems incorrect, if the Passat B8 Alltrack is 174mm.

 

The Superb MK3 Scout is clearly increased ride height just like the Passat B8 Alltrack. If it wasn't, you wouldn't have almost the same front and rear springs as the Passat B8 Alltrack.

 

As the Superb MK3 Scout springs are similar to the Passat B8 Alltrack springs it's probably better to use the Bilstein B6 shock absorbers that are listed for the Passat B8 Alltrack on the Superb MK3 Scout, rather than the standard ride height Bilstein B6 shock absorbers.

 

The Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for the Passat B8 Alltrack are probably a little longer than the Bilstein B6 shock absorbers for the standard ride height car. This is because the front shock absorbers on the standard ride height car use bump stops with a 70mm height, whereas the front shock absorbers on the increased ride height car use bump stops with a 90mm height. So if the front shock absorbers on the standard ride height and increased ride height cars were the same, using 90mm bump stops would reduce the front suspension travel by 20mm on the increased ride height car. Hence, it would make sense for the increased ride height car to have longer front shock absorbers than the standard ride height car.

 

Edited 17 February by Carlston